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Fred98 -> How come the defender did not withdraw? (5/24/2011 12:48:20 PM)

I am playing the German side against a US AI opponent.

The Germans have just completed their Assault phase.

You can see from the screenshot that the US unit should have withdrawn. The unit began the scenario in a level 2 fort.

How come the unit did not withdraw?
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[image]http://users.tpg.com.au/sueyoo//withdraw.jpeg[/image]


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PirateJock -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (5/24/2011 3:16:33 PM)

Is it because the game's still in the Direct Fire phase? The Withdraw/Advance phase hasn't started yet.

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Fred98 -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (5/24/2011 10:48:12 PM)

Page 38 Combat Sequence.

During the Assault Phase, Defender retreats then the Attacker advances.

But sometimes the defender does not retreat. I have seen this a few times.

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Budas -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (5/25/2011 12:33:08 AM)

I've noticed this too. There is further reference later in the manual on withdrawal. It states that if a unit cannot withdraw due to the presence of EZOCs or enemy units it takes a withdrawal check, assumes a defensive posture and remains in place.

I assume this applies in the case illustrated. The presence of substantial Axis forces has caused your unit to take a check and disruption is increased leaving it in a precarious position for the next turn.

I suppose the rationale behind it is that it is very difficult to extricate troops successfully from the front line when faced with a large body of the enemy.

This issue could benefit from further explanation I think.

Bud



Obsolete -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (6/1/2011 4:44:46 AM)

Often a unit fails to withdraw because it fails its withdraw checks.

Also remember, if a unit finds itself not in an E-ZoC after a battle, it doesn't have to withdraw anymore. So technically, you could have an enemy unit right next to your hex, but your own unit doesn't have to withdraw if you knocked him down to say... a level 4 disruption (units that badly disorganized have no ZoC). Anyhow, I'm very tired right now, but that's at least how I remember it right now.



Fred98 -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (6/1/2011 5:28:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Obsolete
........a level 4 disruption (units that badly disorganized have no ZoC).



This must be the answer! The attacker reached a disruption level of 3 or 4. Such a unit exerts no ZOC so the defender will not withdraw!

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Obsolete -> RE: How come the defender did not withdraw? (6/1/2011 4:00:34 PM)

I've played so many similar games that sometimes it's hard to tell one rule-set from another. So I could be wrong, but I THINK a unit at level 3-disruption also may exert no ZoC. Or was that just the cut-off for force d withdrawls, or both.  ARggg... I'll have to re-check on all that when I get back again.



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