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vinnie71 -> Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/15/2011 4:42:08 PM)

Hi

Can anyone tell me how to get replacement aircraft to shipborne groups form the CVEs with replacement groups?

Thanks in advance!



beppi -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/15/2011 4:45:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

Hi

Can anyone tell me how to get replacement aircraft to shipborne groups form the CVEs with replacement groups?

Thanks in advance!


Put the CVEs with the replacement groups into an replenishment TF. The CVEs with the replacement groups should not have more than 2x the capacity as planes. Then if the replenishment TF is in normal(extended ??, with droptanks, double the normal ??) range each turn automatic replacement planes and pilots are flown form the replenishment TF to your other groups which need replacements.



vinnie71 -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/15/2011 4:52:34 PM)

thanks. Now I see where I got it wrong. I kept the CVE's in escort mode.



Numdydar -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/15/2011 11:36:26 PM)

Can any AGs be used or do they have to specificly say replenishment AGs?



Rainer -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 12:33:01 AM)

Be aware that the groups to supply the replacements have to be Replenishment Groups (they have VRF as a designator - say VRF-7B).
Regular fighting groups do not provide replacements, not even if they are stationed on a CVE which is part of a replenishment TF.
In other words - a CVE with regular fighting groups (say VC(F)-33 Wildcats stationed on CVE Anzio) may be included in a Replenishment TF in order to protect against air attack. The Replenishment groups (say VRF-2F stationed on CVE Altamaha) will not repeat not provide air cover (neither will VRF TBs or DBs ever attack).



ilovestrategy -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 2:52:41 AM)

How were they replaced in real life? Did pilots fly them off of a smaller carrier from the States to land on their designated fleet carrier? Or did the fleet carrier go to a base for it's new planes?



Mac Linehan -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 4:04:54 AM)

Offworlder -

A remarkable coincidence; I was just about to do a CVE replenishment search. Excellent question.

beppi, Rainer -

A very exact response; am now very clear on the what and how to do it.

My appreciation, Gents.

Mac



PaxMondo -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 4:09:16 AM)

So, this only works for allies ... IJ does not have CVE replenishment?



crsutton -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 4:20:35 AM)

No, it does not work for the Japanese as far as I know. It has to be a special Allied squadron,located on an CVE, in a replenishment TF, within range.



goatan -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 11:15:13 AM)

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It has to be a special Allied squadron,
This is something i never knew could be done. in what way does the squadron have to be special or does that just mean carrier capable?



PaxMondo -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 1:15:35 PM)

see above by rainer.... VMF type ...



Schanilec -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 3:11:42 PM)

Similar type problem. Didn't want start a new thread. 10 July 1942 - I have the Enterprise and Yorktown at Pearl, they need their air groups replensihed. How long should this take? The fighter groups are very much lacking 1 to 3 planes on each carrier. They've been in port for about a month. I had to keep the Hornet (13 F4F's) in theatre (Coarl Sea) with the Wasp (full strength). The Hornet needs refitting but can't send her back until Enterprise and Yorktown get their air groups back to full strength. Saratoga is out for another 200 days. Lexington is gone. Should I disband some Marine fighter groups? Is there a way to train carrier groups? Really would like to get those carriers back into the fight. I've attrited the Japanese carrier air groups pretty good. Time is ripe to get at them and take some sort of offensive. Milne Bay, Guadalcanal, Funafuti, Baker Island, strengthen Port Morseby...
Your help would greatly help the war effort.

Thanks,

Schani 



beppi -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 4:09:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Schanilec

Similar type problem. Didn't want start a new thread. 10 July 1942 - I have the Enterprise and Yorktown at Pearl, they need their air groups replensihed. How long should this take? The fighter groups are very much lacking 1 to 3 planes on each carrier. They've been in port for about a month. I had to keep the Hornet (13 F4F's) in theatre (Coarl Sea) with the Wasp (full strength). The Hornet needs refitting but can't send her back until Enterprise and Yorktown get their air groups back to full strength. Saratoga is out for another 200 days. Lexington is gone. Should I disband some Marine fighter groups? Is there a way to train carrier groups? Really would like to get those carriers back into the fight. I've attrited the Japanese carrier air groups pretty good. Time is ripe to get at them and take some sort of offensive. Milne Bay, Guadalcanal, Funafuti, Baker Island, strengthen Port Morseby...
Your help would greatly help the war effort.

Thanks,

Schani 


If you carriers are at Pearl you just need to turn on the replacements. Replenishment is a feature which allows the allied player to fill up his squads while his fleet is at sea. As long as you are at a base use replacements.

If your replacement pool is empty, either you can downgrade some other squadrons (land based preferred) to an older plane type if you have PDU on or just disband a squadron (not the best option) or just wait until some replacements come online.



Schanilec -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 4:24:42 PM)

Thanks.
Replacements is on. Replacement pool looks slim. Downgrade looks to be the best option.
So when does the industrial might kick in and fills the replacement pool with a horn of plenty?



JohnDillworth -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 5:22:05 PM)

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So when does the industrial might kick in and fills the replacement pool with a horn of plenty?

Not in 1942. If your carriers have been busy SBD's and Wildcats will be scarce. You will start to get enough Avengers but the torpedoes don't work so whats the point?
Remember, in real life the Allies were down 2 carriers at this point (soon to be 4) so there were more aircraft to go around. Best to downgrade the land based squadrons. Make sure the model numbers are exactly the same. There are a few different Wildcat types, you probably need F4F's.



Schanilec -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 5:57:24 PM)

I'll just try and make due with what I have and can get. With plenty of land based aircraft I'll keep the carriers under their umbrella for the time being. Port Morseby seems to be where I'll parry with the IJN.

Thanks all.

Schani



crsutton -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/16/2011 10:24:04 PM)

Yep, you really have to be very stingy with your carrier aircraft until mid 1943 (and then all of a sudden you will be swimming in them). One major carrier action and you might be out of action for months for lack of replacments. The tendency is to expand and try to fill up all your squadrons-espeically the Marine LBA squadrons and get them into the fight. However, this just is not sustainable and you have to resist filling up your marine squadrons until you have built a solid reserve for your carriers.



michaelm75au -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/17/2011 6:04:16 AM)

There is setting for air groups to indicate that they are classed as replenishment groups - the VR name or 'wing' size has not been the criteria for AE as it might have been with stock WITP.

There is no reason why Japanese groups can't be created with that setting on also.



PaxMondo -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/17/2011 1:10:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelm

There is setting for air groups to indicate that they are classed as replenishment groups - the VR name or 'wing' size has not been the criteria for AE as it might have been with stock WITP.

There is no reason why Japanese groups can't be created with that setting on also.


Michael,

Thanks, great news for modders. But the stock scenarios do not have this enabled, correct?



michaelm75au -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/17/2011 2:02:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

There is setting for air groups to indicate that they are classed as replenishment groups - the VR name or 'wing' size has not been the criteria for AE as it might have been with stock WITP.

There is no reason why Japanese groups can't be created with that setting on also.


Michael,

Thanks, great news for modders. But the stock scenarios do not have this enabled, correct?

Correct.



lexo1014 -> RE: Replacement aircraft to carrier groups (6/17/2011 3:08:24 PM)

Very true about Months worth of downtime in early game.

I sent the Yorktown and Enterprise to PM and they floated around there for a while Sinking 6 IJN Carriers 1 by 1 by 1 they kept showing up, So now its 3 months past the historical Midway Battle that i never get to fight because the IJN lost some pretty important carriers around PM.

Soooo now i have All my carriers,,most of which are sitting in PH for months waiting for more planes.

It is hard early on because the lack of these carrier planes causes you to have to wait and hold what you got instead of advancing towards objectives.




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