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ny59giants -> R&D needs a delay when..... (8/12/2011 11:27:02 PM)

Michael M,

I just had my A6M5 Zeros move forward a month from 2/43 to 1/43 due to 120 factories (30 x2 and 60 x1) on 27 Dec 42 (PBEM using Scenario 2). Thankfully, it did not happen 5 days later in Jan '43 when those factories would have automatically switched from R&D into production mode. I did have it happen with my Tojo IIa in mid-June '42.

Is there a way to have the factories (R&D) have a delay before switching over so I don't lose them to production?? Thankfully, I send 90 factories forward to A6M5b.

Thanks!!



michaelm75au -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 3:38:55 AM)

Not quite sure I understand what you want.



Bradley7735 -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 4:40:30 AM)

Japanese aircraft factories can be switched to other planes with almost no restrictions. The one restriction is that R&D factories can only be switched to another plane that is in the future and production factories can only be switched to a current plane type.

He is saying that if the date is 1/43 and his R&D factories up the production by a month to 1/43, his R&D factories convert to production factories. He wants the ability to convert them to R&D factories of another plane type.

IMO, the player needs to make that decision before the factories convert. If you're within 30 days of the plane going into production, keep them and have them convert to production, or convert them to another R&D plane type. I'm sure there are others who disagree with me, though.



michaelm75au -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 4:50:41 AM)

Ah, that must with the R&D preference option then.



vonTirpitz -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 4:45:05 PM)

I believe you are correct Michael.

And even though the OP is referring to the instant conversion to production once the date is reached via R&D advancement I wonder if the following point might not help resolve the matter instead.

I had lost a couple of R&D factories early in my PBEM because I thought selecting upgrade from the "upgrade/keep" option would have the following effect:

1. If "upgrade" selected, then automatically convert the R&D factory to the next R&D airframe in the research tree if available once production date was triggered (If no new variant was researchable from the current airframe then the factory would go to production). Maybe having the "upgrade" option greyed out if no more variants exist.

2. If "keep" selected, then the R&D factory would convert to production as soon as the availability date was reached.

I had then reversed the logic when that didn't work and, as it current behaves, the "upgrade/keep" function does not appear to do anything with regard to R&D factories as either setting seems to have the same effect (factory converts to production at the date the airframe becomes available).

Although this function works fine for production faciilities (keeping existing airframes or upgrading) it seems counter-intuitive to have it available for the R&D factories if it doesn't actually effect the transformation of the R&D factory.

Perhaps the function can be implemented for R&D as well. If not, perhaps this option can be removed for R&D factories. No matter what decision is made, it would probably be good to document how it affects both R&D and production factories differently in the documentation update.

Until then, players will need to monitor their R&D progress more closely and decide whether or not to manually upgrade to another airframe before the potiential availability date arrives.




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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Ah, that must with the R&D preference option then.




Bradley7735 -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 7:19:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

IMO, the player needs to make that decision before the factories convert. If you're within 30 days of the plane going into production, keep them and have them convert to production, or convert them to another R&D plane type. I'm sure there are others who disagree with me, though.


I'm going to reverse my opinion on this. (not that it matters, because I'm not the one fixing things. [;)])

I realize the game is pretty heavy in regards to things the player needs to do each turn. If Michael could make it easier for players to keep R&D factories without fear of losing them to production, then I'd say do it. Von Tirpitz has some good suggestions in the post above.



ny59giants -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/13/2011 7:29:22 PM)

Like vT stated, I would like the ability to keep certain R&D factories in the family of airframes in that role UNLESS I decide to move them over to production. The Zero airframe is a good example. Now that I have the A6M5 about to start production, I should be able to move to the next airframe in line (or the AI does so automatically). I have three Zero factories and following vT posting, I should be able to state that two will continue to be for R&D while a third goes into production.

Since players are unable to see where I am in accumulating the 100 'developmental points' towards moving an airframe forward one month, there needs to be a switch that controls this.



michaelm75au -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/14/2011 3:55:55 AM)

I will add something to indicate when the R&D is within a month of completion on the Industry screens.
As R&D always has a few points left after each month advance of the a/c, this can control if the factory has been used for R&D.
Once a/c have been built, the surplus R&D will be wiped so it can't be used as R&D anymore.

This should give you control without impacting normal game play.

Game time is July,1943
[image]local://upfiles/3086/CED5984A02694C4B85EF23B8F921E376.jpg[/image]



michaelm75au -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/14/2011 8:44:12 AM)

To simplify things, R&D will ignore the 'stop building' indicator until the device/aircraft becomes due.

This will hold off production if the player so desires.



seille -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/15/2011 6:56:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelm

I will add something to indicate when the R&D is within a month of completion on the Industry screens.
As R&D always has a few points left after each month advance of the a/c, this can control if the factory has been used for R&D.
Once a/c have been built, the surplus R&D will be wiped so it can't be used as R&D anymore.

This should give you control without impacting normal game play.

Game time is July,1943
[image]local://upfiles/3086/CED5984A02694C4B85EF23B8F921E376.jpg[/image]


Sorry, but i´m still not sure how this works. I understand that the R&D plane coming online the next month is shown in blue with current produced R&D models shown in parenthesis.
But what do i have to do if i want to have the plane moving one month forward, but NOT make the factory in question a production site if it advances into the current month.
Example:
Date: 05th may 1942
Plane Ki-44 IIa
two R&D factories, both producing Ki-44 IIa which comes online in 06/42 in scenario 2

On 5th may these facs show actual output of 98. What to do now if i want to advance the production one month AND keep the R&D factories ?
Pls make it simple as possible. I´m from Germany [;)]




Numdydar -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/16/2011 12:35:49 AM)

Say I have planes that I am researching becoming available, say 6/43 and it is now 4/30. If I want to keep them as R&D factories, I switch them to a different plane type on the last day of the month (4/30 in this example). If I want them to become production factories, I just let them run. So it does not seem to be that big of a deal, although it would be nice to have them change color if <65 days to availability.

My understanding (which was wrong btw, lol) was that if 'Upgrade' showed 'Yes' the the factories would convert to production factories as that would be the 'upgrade path' for them. If 'Upgrade' showed 'No', then they would stay R&D factories and I could convert them (or they would automaticly convert) to the next available plane type in the squemce, i.e. A6M3a to A6M5 for example.

If there was no other plane type in the squence, then they would convert to production regardless of the 'Upgrade' setting. So wrong, so wrong was I lol.



michaelm75au -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/16/2011 1:16:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seille


quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

I will add something to indicate when the R&D is within a month of completion on the Industry screens.
As R&D always has a few points left after each month advance of the a/c, this can control if the factory has been used for R&D.
Once a/c have been built, the surplus R&D will be wiped so it can't be used as R&D anymore.

This should give you control without impacting normal game play.

Game time is July,1943
[image]local://upfiles/3086/CED5984A02694C4B85EF23B8F921E376.jpg[/image]


Sorry, but i´m still not sure how this works. I understand that the R&D plane coming online the next month is shown in blue with current produced R&D models shown in parenthesis.
But what do i have to do if i want to have the plane moving one month forward, but NOT make the factory in question a production site if it advances into the current month.
Example:
Date: 05th may 1942
Plane Ki-44 IIa
two R&D factories, both producing Ki-44 IIa which comes online in 06/42 in scenario 2

On 5th may these facs show actual output of 98. What to do now if i want to advance the production one month AND keep the R&D factories ?
Pls make it simple as possible. I´m from Germany [;)]



Turn off production.
The R&D will advance and the plane become available.
But the the name will stay blue without any R&D % number '(xx)' after it. You can then select a new R&D plane OR a production plane from the side list.
Once a production plane is picked, then R&D is no longer an option for that factory.



seille -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/16/2011 6:46:56 AM)

Many thanks MichaelM. Sounds great. Good solution.



SuluSea -> RE: R&D needs a delay when..... (8/18/2011 8:06:53 PM)

Good stuff Michealm, very much appreaciated. [:)] [:)] [:)]



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