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Strike502 -> Burma Road overland supply (8/30/2011 11:39:59 PM)

What base in Burma is considered the starting point of the Burma trail? And do the overland supply system rules work on it?



Blackhorse -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 1:09:42 AM)

To Tsuyung from Rangoon -- if there is a clear road/rail path, Tsuyung gets an extra 500 supplies/day.

Page 254 in the manual. The manual (wrongly) states that you can create a path between Ledo and Tsuyung. But there is no road from Ledo to China, so no 'free' supply.



Strike502 -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 9:22:35 AM)

Found it in the manual. Thank you, but can you use the push / pull supply system to force more supply into china?



USSAmerica -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 12:13:51 PM)

You can if you closely manage this supply "pump" into China.



dr.hal -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 1:28:09 PM)

I have a related question, I have been told that the base at Tsuyung would indicate with words in the base information screen whether or not the Burma Road is open or not.... however in my current game, there is not such indication and I'm in late February '42. The Japs under the guidance of Paul have recently taken Pegu, does this cut the trail? I still have contact through Prome, will that keep it open? How come Tsuyung does not indicate things one way or the other? What am I missing? Thanks... Hal



Rainer -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 5:10:53 PM)

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Tsuyung would indicate with words in the base information screen whether or not the Burma Road is open or not....


Only when using the betas (but I do not know which beta introduced this feature).



Strike502 -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 5:36:10 PM)

Nice one Drhal. And thanks for my queston



dr.hal -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 7:55:43 PM)

Rainer, Thanks... I'm using the latest beta and I still don't get any indication on the Tsuyung base screen, what am I missing? Anyone? Hal



dekwik -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 8:06:57 PM)

take a look on the Rangoon base screen. It should tell you there (bottom left i think)that the Burma Road is open. I don't think it shows on Tsuyung.



Rainer -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/31/2011 8:51:11 PM)

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take a look on the Rangoon base screen. It should tell you there (bottom left i think)that the Burma Road is open. I don't think it shows on Tsuyung.


Not Rangoon. It shows up in Tsuyung (lower left corner).
If you don't see that (and using one of the latest betas) is simply means Burma Road is blocked.

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dr.hal -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 2:23:37 AM)

Good screen capture Rainer, thanks. I have my game open and the base info open and it says nothing.... AND.... the road is open, the Japanese only occupy Pegu, the road to Prome and thus Mandalay is wide open.....not a nip in sight! And my opponent and I are both using the latest beta test patch... And you are right, I've read in a number of locations that the indication is in Tsuyung, not Rangoon. So I still don't know what is wrong... sigh! There was no indication at all LONG before the Japanese got into Pegu either... Maybe some of the gods don't like me...



dr.hal -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 2:27:22 AM)

I don't know if this makes a difference, but I just increased the "Supplies Required" tab to a max of 25000+.... Maybe that might do it? Also I see in your screen capture Rainer that you have "No" in yellow beside a number of factors, I don't have that either, what does the "No" mean (besides the obvious "no")???



Herrbear -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 10:49:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

I don't know if this makes a difference, but I just increased the "Supplies Required" tab to a max of 25000+.... Maybe that might do it? Also I see in your screen capture Rainer that you have "No" in yellow beside a number of factors, I don't have that either, what does the "No" mean (besides the obvious "no")???


Again, this is a feature in the current beta update. It means that the base is not stockpiling supplies, oil, resources or fuel.



dr.hal -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 12:24:18 PM)

Well it looks like I"m wasting readers time, as Paul says we are not using the latest beta, thus I shouldn't see these features.... sorry for the confusion... Hal



Strike502 -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 11:07:51 PM)


ok, I'm not using the beta patches. Only the last official patch. What is the last beta and what's it called so I know I'm getting the last one avail.



Lecivius -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (9/1/2011 11:48:18 PM)

Last beta can be found in the tech support forum, on the 1st post.  MichealM continually updates it, so you need to look through the entire thread to see what's been done/added/changed.



adarbrauner -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/29/2016 4:37:43 PM)

Hello. On the same topic, if I don't see "Burma road is open" in the Tsuyung descriptive window, as per screenshots attached, so then this means that it's closed, right (I'm playing Japan, but I've checked in the Allied screen)?

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BBfanboy -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/29/2016 4:51:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Well it looks like I"m wasting readers time, as Paul says we are not using the latest beta, thus I shouldn't see these features.... sorry for the confusion... Hal

Pegu could be a problem too - the rail line to Mandalay runs through there and that may be the only route the AI recognizes as the Burma road in lower Burma.
The first class road running north from Rangoon should be good enough to flow regular supply, but the special rule for the extra 500 daily supply may be more restrictive of routing.

Do NOT stockpile supply at Tsuyung - it will delay its arrival in China and the Japanese might capture it all.
To operate the supply pump, set your first draw of +25,000 at Mandalay and when most of the supply has left Rangoon, set the next supply draw at Lashio to +25K and then dial the Mandalay one back to 0. Continue sequentially every base or two. From Tsuyung to Chungking the supply demand of the hungry Chinese masses may be enough to pull all the supply down.



John B. -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/29/2016 9:52:34 PM)

It seems to me that I was told at some point that Ramree island could also get supply to China even if Burma was occupied. I took it in my current game and (a) something was sucking a lot of supply from it and (b) China started getting more supply. It's also my understanding that this is different than the Burma Road.

Also, did anyone ever figure out the minimum amount of supply China should strive for each day just to keep body and soul together?



rustysi -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/29/2016 10:09:17 PM)

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Ramree island could also get supply to China even if Burma was occupied.


If that's true sounds like something was overlooked. Supply should not be able to flow in that case.

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Also, did anyone ever figure out the minimum amount of supply China should strive for each day just to keep body and soul together?


I imagine this would vary based on ops that occur within China. My philosophy would be to get as much as I can in there at all times. If a glut should occur (which I doubt) then I could back off a bit.




BBfanboy -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/30/2016 1:06:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

It seems to me that I was told at some point that Ramree island could also get supply to China even if Burma was occupied. I took it in my current game and (a) something was sucking a lot of supply from it and (b) China started getting more supply. It's also my understanding that this is different than the Burma Road.

Also, did anyone ever figure out the minimum amount of supply China should strive for each day just to keep body and soul together?


Pretty sure it is not true that Ramree will get supply to China if the intervening road and rail network is in Japanese hands. The supply leaving Ramree could flow toward Rangoon (if the Allies have it) or even backward toward Chittagong. That does not mean it can make it to China. To test it you would have to select Ramree and press the 5 key to display the supply flow under those circumstances.

You can figure out the Chinese requirements your self by adding up the "Supplies Required" at each base the Chinese hold and then adding in the supply requirement of each unit outside of bases. Problem is, it will vary according to how much combat/air ops/building is going on.



BBfanboy -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/30/2016 1:09:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rustysi

I imagine this would vary based on ops that occur within China. My philosophy would be to get as much as I can in there at all times. If a glut should occur (which I doubt) then I could back off a bit.




There is no chance of a glut. In my current game vs. the AI, I was able to keep the Burma road open AND bring supply convoys to the south coast of China. More than three million tons so far and the Chinese units are still filling out TOE! I just wish I could turn some of it into Chinese pilots ...



HansBolter -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/30/2016 10:26:57 AM)

There is a lot of confusion here about Ramree.

Ramree can be a source for supply flow to China, gut the road network form near it to China has to be clear for it to happen.

What players have been saying about Ramree is that it can be used to push supply to China without Rangoon having to be cleared and occupied by the Allies.

This is true.

You will NOT get the free 500 points a day you get when the road from Rangoon is open, but you can pull supply unloaded at Ramree into China if the road net to China, above Rangoon, is open.

If Rangoon is strongly held by the Japanese, the Allies can open a supply line to China by driving deeply enough into Burma to clear the road network from near Ramree to China, without having to clear all of Burma down to Rangoon.

Obviously, you will be able to pull far more supply to China from Rangoon than from Ramree due to Rangoon being a larger port with the road network connected to it, but you don't have to clear Rangoon to get an overland supply flow started into China.



pontiouspilot -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (11/30/2016 5:05:13 PM)

Well isn't that interesting...I'm going to try that. I have always simply allowed the default draws to govern supply in this region.



rustysi -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (12/5/2016 1:57:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

There is a lot of confusion here about Ramree.

Ramree can be a source for supply flow to China, gut the road network form near it to China has to be clear for it to happen.

What players have been saying about Ramree is that it can be used to push supply to China without Rangoon having to be cleared and occupied by the Allies.

This is true.

You will NOT get the free 500 points a day you get when the road from Rangoon is open, but you can pull supply unloaded at Ramree into China if the road net to China, above Rangoon, is open.

If Rangoon is strongly held by the Japanese, the Allies can open a supply line to China by driving deeply enough into Burma to clear the road network from near Ramree to China, without having to clear all of Burma down to Rangoon.

Obviously, you will be able to pull far more supply to China from Rangoon than from Ramree due to Rangoon being a larger port with the road network connected to it, but you don't have to clear Rangoon to get an overland supply flow started into China.


Now this makes sense. Thanks Hans.



Yaab -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (12/5/2016 1:07:23 PM)

Ramree is linked to mainland Burma by only one hexside. You have to dislodge any Jap units from the adjacent hex for the supplies to flow to China.



palioboy2 -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (10/11/2017 2:42:59 PM)

If you build up all the bases in north east Burma is it possible to supply China with supply from Indian through a "Ledo Road"

How much supply would it be possible to draw through to China this way?

Does fort building increase supply draw at all or just port and airfield building?

Is there anywhere in the manual that lists how much draw you can expect for a certain base size

Thanks



GetAssista -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (10/11/2017 3:33:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: palioboy2
If you build up all the bases in north east Burma is it possible to supply China with supply from Indian through a "Ledo Road"
Hardly for China supplying. Most of bases inbetween can be built up to AF4 only and have small initial draw, so they will still be draw bottlenecks, especially during monsoon. But every little bit helps
How much supply would it be possible to draw through to China this way?

Does fort building increase supply draw at all or just port and airfield building?
Yes, but twice less effect from a level of forts compared to AF or port building
Is there anywhere in the manual that lists how much draw you can expect for a certain base size
First, it depends on the scenario. You can look up current draw ingame on base screen. For your own bases only of course. Build up 1 level of forts and you would get half an increment that you get from expanding other facilities. I believe most of the time dwaw increment is proportional to initial size, if 0-1-0 base gets X draw then A-P-F base would get A+P+F/2 draw.
Second, draw is halved during monsoon season.
Third, draw depends on the length of supply route


Look through Logistics 101, it is useful: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2878790



Yaab -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/18/2019 8:42:17 AM)

Just a minor question.

I reckon, prior to the fall of Rangoon in 1942, the Chinese were getting Allied supplies via the Burma Road, and send them raw materials like tung oil and tugnsten ore in exchange. They exported this stuff using the Burma Road as well. Yet, with the Rangoon port occupied by Japs, did the Chinese stop exporting the raw materials altogehter? Were Allied trucks, running supplies to China in the period of 1942-1945, coming back empty on the return leg on the Burma Road journey?



RangerJoe -> RE: Burma Road overland supply (8/18/2019 9:25:23 AM)

I don't know about the trucks but the planes flying back on the Hump would carry a load of tungsten.



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