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koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/11/2014 4:51:55 PM)
20 December 1943 Burma Ki-49 bomb enemy troops north of Basein this time heavy flak. Minimal effect to ground troops 5 bombers lost DEI Target is Saumlaki. Enemy CVE in base hex with some transports and SAGs. Nothing unload today. Enemy Carriers 80nm SW of Saumlaki Docup sweep Saumlaki from Darwin with CAP from Carriers and LCAP from Burthurst Island. In my experience LCAP is building lot of fatigue especially at range 6. Also if LCAP and CAP from carriers is participating in sweep also is taking lot of fatigue to them so i hope CV group are little tired. Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 3 Martlet II x 9 Wildcat V x 1 Beaufighter Ic x 10 Boomerang C-12 x 15 F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 FM-1 Wildcat x 9 F4U-1 Corsair x 30 F6F-3 Hellcat x 50 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 30 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet * --------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft Martlet II x 5 Wildcat V x 2 Beaufighter Ic x 10 Boomerang C-12 x 15 P-38H Lightning x 30 F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 FM-1 Wildcat x 4 F6F-3 Hellcat x 35 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet --------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 1 Martlet II x 3 Wildcat V x 1 P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 22 F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 FM-1 Wildcat x 6 F6F-3 Hellcat x 24 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 22 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 39000 feet --------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Allied aircraft Wildcat V x 3 F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 FM-1 Wildcat x 7 F4U-1 Corsair x 3 F6F-3 Hellcat x 14 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 3 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet * --------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 3 Martlet II x 9 Wildcat V x 1 Beaufighter Ic x 10 Boomerang C-12 x 15 P-38H Lightning x 11 F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 FM-1 Wildcat x 7 F6F-3 Hellcat x 35 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet --------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Allied aircraft Seafire IIC x 3 Martlet II x 4 Wildcat V x 3 Beaufighter Ic x 10 Boomerang C-12 x 15 P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3 F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 FM-1 Wildcat x 4 F6F-3 Hellcat x 46 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 39000 feet [image]local://upfiles/37745/5C865E75E1374DF4BA799FBFF8AB6D6A.jpg[/image]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 3:30:12 PM)
Battle of Saumlaki Report in few h Lot of good news and one bad Banzai!!!

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 3:44:11 PM)
Poor DOCUP!

Wuffer -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 3:51:28 PM)
Unfortunely I sneaked into Docup's AAR a while ago, so I just can't say anything otherwise than you are doing great, both in play as in reporting as well.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 4:42:15 PM)
Starting to do report but at first i want to say what was most important factors in battle - KB despite being split in two TF and despite both TF reacted toward enemy menage to stay in single hex - Allied CV TF spited in at lest two TF. Only one reacted toward KB - Incredible good coordination of Japanese strike - Incredible wok done by A6M5 both in attack and in defense(especially A6M5c version) - long reaction of allied CAP(they still where deadly) - LBA play any role during that battle I know that Docup is having huge morale drop right now but i want to play that game so please help him go trough this. In next few month he again will be able to fight and i have no hopes to survive next battle.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 4:55:33 PM)
KB day before battle was undetected south of Manado (Celebes) Spited in two TF, 600 planes each. Escorted by two SAGs. BB SAG and CA SAG Order was to flank south trough Namlea hex to end move north of Damar. all bombers at 14k range 7, 250 fighters at CAP range 0, 250 at 20% CAP range 7. Naval phase. Night go well. One of CV TF was attaked by sub but escorts manage to repel attacker ASW attack near Namlea at 76,107 Japanese Ships CA Ashigara CLAA Tatsuta DD Onami DD Arare DD Hagikaze DD Urakaze DD Asashimo Allied Ships SS Pickerel, hits 1 At day fleet contine south. Just 1 hex south of Ambon CA TF change direction East to intercept enemy DD detected by float planes. Day Time Surface Combat, near Ambon at 76,110, Range 23,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Kumano, Shell hits 3 CA Kinugasa CA Furutaka, Shell hits 2 CA Kako, Shell hits 2 DD Michishio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Arashio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Natsugumo DD Minegumo Allied Ships DD Harding, Shell hits 16, and is sunk DD Sampson, Shell hits 5 Move end 2 hexes north of Damar, full KB escorted by BB TF. CA TF stuck one hex south of Ambon Map with position of forces after battle [image]local://upfiles/37745/C75D56D7AD994A6C87A1A87C657DC472.jpg[/image]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 5:17:05 PM)
AM air phase After inicial serch phase KB reacted towar enemy moving 1 hex south. Lucky both TF end move in the same hex Allied carries where detected 2 hexes south of Saumlaki. It llok that one of TF reacted toward KB while ather stay with main fleet. Those reaction, especially splitting allied fleet has huge impact on battle DAy start with hevy sweep of nerst dot bases that are in allied hands. 180 Georges sweep them finding nothing Attack start with main Japanese wave. Good coordination. Escort do miracles Morning Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,119 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 194 B6N2 Jill x 155 D4Y1 Judy x 13 D4Y3 Judy x 218 Allied aircraft Beaufighter VIc x 2 Boomerang C-12 x 2 F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 F4U-1A Corsair x 33 F6F-3 Hellcat x 74 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 11 destroyed, 13 damaged B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 24 destroyed, 31 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 8 destroyed by flak No Allied losses Allied Ships CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires CV Enterprise , Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Hawkins, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Claxton CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Alabama CA Portland DD Beale DD Bennett, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Caldwell DD Wadsworth CL Mobile, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Washington, Bomb hits 1 DD Conway CLAA Juneau, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 1 DD McKee, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Gansevoort, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk There where also ~10 vaes without escort. ~60 bombers lost none of them get trugh CAP Allied counterattack was not so powerfoul. Mosly because enemy carries send saperate attack becouse of force spliting. First wave come from Main allied fleet Morning Air attack on TF, near Damar at 77,114 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 29 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 162 A6M5b Zero x 27 A6M5c Zero x 87 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 68 SBD-3 Dauntless x 17 SBD-5 Dauntless x 60 TBF-1 Avenger x 18 TBM-1C Avenger x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed SBD-3 Dauntless: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak SBD-5 Dauntless: 35 destroyed, 4 damaged SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak TBF-1 Avenger: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak TBM-1C Avenger: 11 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships CV Katsuragi CV Soryu CV Hiryu CV Kaga CVL Ryuho CV Junyo, Torpedo hits 2 CV Shokaku CV Kasagi Second wave come from CV TF that reacted toward KB Morning Air attack on TF, near Damar at 77,114 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 29 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 141 A6M5b Zero x 24 A6M5c Zero x 83 Allied aircraft F6F-3 Hellcat x 63 SB2C-1C Helldiver x 33 SBD-3 Dauntless x 29 SBD-5 Dauntless x 33 TBF-1 Avenger x 27 TBM-1C Avenger x 43 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed SB2C-1C Helldiver: 13 destroyed, 2 damaged SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak SBD-3 Dauntless: 13 destroyed, 5 damaged SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak TBF-1 Avenger: 14 destroyed, 6 damaged TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed, 6 damaged Japanese Ships CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires CVL Ibuki CV Hiyo CV Shokaku CV Junyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Chiyoda, Torpedo hits 1 CV Hiryu CV Ikoma, Bomb hits 2, on fire CA Haguro CV Soryu CVL Ryuho CV Taiho CV Unryu CLAA Tenryu CV Akagi CVL Ryujo CV Aso CVL Zuiho CV Zuikaku KB mange to send also wave against second CV fleet Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 39 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 44 B6N2 Jill x 43 D4Y1 Judy x 26 D4Y3 Judy x 24 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 F6F-3 Hellcat x 74 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 10 destroyed, 6 damaged B6N2 Jill: 5 destroyed by flak D4Y1 Judy: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak D4Y3 Judy: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed Allied Ships CVL Cowpens CVL Independence, Bomb hits 1 CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1 CA Baltimore CV Bunker Hill CV Essex, Bomb hits 1 Some LBA join battle Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 30 B6N2 Jill x 13 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 F6F-3 Hellcat x 42 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed No Allied losses Allied Ships CVL Cowpens CV Saratoga

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 5:25:39 PM)
PM air Phase This time KB decide to attack enemy carries in closer TF CAP was low and Zero escort manage to hold enemy CAP. Not a single bomber where destroyed/damaged by enemy fighters Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 39 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 186 B6N2 Jill x 81 D4Y1 Judy x 11 D4Y3 Judy x 134 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 F6F-3 Hellcat x 52 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 8 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 6 damaged B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak D4Y3 Judy: 18 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed Allied Ships CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires CV Essex, Torpedo hits 1 CA Baltimore, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires DD Frankford CVL Independence, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Sigsbee DD Gillespie DD Woodworth DD Burns DD Thompson, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Satterlee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Frazier DD Rapid Again LBA join battle. This time they go for Main allied fleet. No CAP above it Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,119 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 110 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 36 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 8 B6N2 Jill x 13 D4Y1 Judy x 3 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 4 damaged B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed Allied Ships BB Massachusetts, Torpedo hits 2 CA Indianapolis CL Mobile, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk BB Washington Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 5:41:38 PM)
Well done koniu! Thats a really nice counter attack. I�ll try to cheer DOCUP up.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 5:49:33 PM)
Summary Naval loses Japan CV Junyo Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2 damage 65/58(28)/10(3)/96 will for 99% sunk CV Ikoma Bomb hits 2 damage 35/6(0)/1(0)/1 CV Amagi Bomb hits 2 damage 17/2(1)/1(0)/0 CVL Chiyoda Torpedo hits 1 damage 4/20(17)/0)/0 Allies CV Enterprise , Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage (Essex class) CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Essex, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Independence, Bomb hits 2, on fire CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires BB Washington, Bomb hits 1 BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 1 BB Massachusetts, Torpedo hits 2 CA Hawkins, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA Baltimore, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 CL Mobile, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk CLAA Juneau, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires DD Bennett, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Sampson, Shell hits 5 DD Harding, Shell hits 16, and is sunk DD McKee, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Gansevoort, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk DD Thompson, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Satterlee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage Air loses [image]local://upfiles/37745/43F2A15A8DA342F5B5E205CC763FE445.jpg[/image] Pilot loses Japan lost 310[:(] pilots. 80% of them where pre war pilots I counted 6 bomber groups that lost 100% planes and pilots. Others groups suffer between 30-70% loses Shokaku bomber groups lost 42 of 45 planes [X(]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 6:07:40 PM)
AS for invasion It looks that Docup manage to unload entire ID in Saumlaki. Base will fall soon. I have only IR there are supplies are at 0 I will need to find way to suppress Saumlaki. I will also need to send KB soon to Marshals I decided to slowly retreat north with KB. I lost half of bombers, many is damaged and will not be available tomorrow. Morale very low. Time to rebuild and move to shadows. I hope Docup will write something to me before o go sleep. I Should be happy but i am not. I am worried about his morale and about this game. Relation with Docup is so deep in my live that i cant imagine day without turn from him. I check what reinforcements allied get in next month. It look that it will take 5 months before he will be able to replace all those CV and CVL. Big spamming with carriers will start for Docup in Q4 1944

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/12/2014 9:20:27 PM)
Fantastic defense koniu! [&o] He has to be in the dumps right now, but he didn't exactly help himself with the vector and slow development of the attack. Do you have at least subs to pursue the damaged CVs? This could be the final straw, I hate to say it. It's not that he's incredibly behind the timeline, but the loss of ships is going to make it tough. I think you'll still have a chance next time as well, and if you stuff another one it's over for sure.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 5:56:48 AM)
Thanks but i still have mixed filing. If Docup survive next 6 month this battle can be opening to epic game that will last until 46. But it will be hard to him. After 2 Years he again lost and will need again wait another months to at lest be equal in numbers on deck Very hard time, very dangerous to game. What i learn. Don`t start DEI offensive or any other offensive until You have numbers on Your side. But Biggest weakness of Docup plan was not numbers but rather place he chose and speed he travel there Giving Japan week of warning is to much. Japan can be everywhere faster. I think if Docup wait two more months and if he concentrate everything he have in single force he will win with me or at lest have tie. In march i will be facing not only number but also quality of ~450 Corsair and that is something A6M even with 80+ pilots cant handle. I saw that last turn those 33 Corsair destroy enemy every time they shot, while Hellcat is good but good A6M pilots have some decent chances with it.

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 6:12:19 AM)
I certainly agree with your assessment. When he was spotted so early he should have pulled back. When you don�t have CV supremacy you will have to do "hit and run" invasions. Or he should have waited a couple of months for more CVs to arrive and as you say he should have Corsairs on the CVs instead of Hellcats. I hope he plays on as he still have a good chance. When you have not seen it yourself its hard to really understand how much the allies get in late 44 and onward. But I can see this might be such a blow on moral he might hoist the white flag. I hope he doesn�t though!

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 6:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I certainly agree with your assessment. When he was spotted so early he should have pulled back. When you don�t have CV supremacy you will have to do "hit and run" invasions. Or he should have waited a couple of months for more CVs to arrive and as you say he should have Corsairs on the CVs instead of Hellcats. I hope he plays on as he still have a good chance. When you have not seen it yourself its hard to really understand how much the allies get in late 44 and onward. But I can see this might be such a blow on moral he might hoist the white flag. I hope he doesn�t though! It can depend from next turns. If he manage to save some CV and CVL (i think 2 CV (Lex and Essex) and 2 CVL(Independence and Cowpens) have chances) he will continue. If not it will be 50/50 to end.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 10:35:39 AM)
Just get email from Docup. He write that quiting don`t even crossed his mind, but it will be slow and boring game in next few months [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 1:23:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu Just get email from Docup. He write that quiting don`t even crossed his mind, but it will be slow and boring game in next few months [:D] Good news! [&o]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/13/2014 5:31:28 PM)
Turn send to Docup. 120nm from Battleships i see enemy CVE TF. Tanaka leading 3 BB will try intercept them tomorrow. If he miss he will clean waters in Saumlaki hex. Cruisers will cover KB retreat. CV Junyo with escort of two DD and 4 Es will try to survive next 24h. With 5knt speed and 96 fires he is easy target to subs

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 6:44:48 AM)
Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably He confirm loss of 4 CV.

veji1 -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 8:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably He confirm loss of 4 CV. 4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ? Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 10:22:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veji1 quote: ORIGINAL: koniu Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably He confirm loss of 4 CV. 4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ? Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation. Quote from email. Hard for me as non native speaker to be sure if he by cvs mean aslo cvls "You sunk 4 cvs, with one on fire one damaged but save able" "About the only thing u sunk was my cvs" Even i sunk only 2, damaging rest mean they are out of action for long months.

veji1 -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 10:56:57 AM)
It could very well be 4 CVs (Saratoga, West Virginia, Bunker Hill and Enterprise), which would mean fantastic rolls regarding Bunker Hill and Saratoga. If this is the case, you have scored a great victory !

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 11:06:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veji1 It could very well be 4 CVs (Saratoga, West Virginia, Bunker Hill and Enterprise), which would mean fantastic rolls regarding Bunker Hill and Saratoga. If this is the case, you have scored a great victory ! Docup write ma that Bunker Hill survive, so probably Lexington go down. Lex eat 5x500kg of bombs all penetrate, two make ammo and fuel explosion. But Docup also stated that is not sure as he seen only turn replay once, and because he was going to work he spend only 5 minutes with turn and he don`t remember correctly because it was to big mess. Tracker is showing 3 CV and 3 CVL sunk, Game is showing 5CV and 2CVL sunk To much FoW.

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 2:27:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veji1 quote: ORIGINAL: koniu Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably He confirm loss of 4 CV. 4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ? Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation. There is no impregnable Japanese defense! I also think koniu is doing just fine in Burma. The Japanese don't want to hold Burma forever anyway. You just need it long enough so that the Allies can't break through and kill the oil early. Glad to hear it's going forward.

veji1 -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 3:29:43 PM)
You see what I meant, obviously not geographically impregnable, but so good that he could quite safely milk the clock from it.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 3:32:03 PM)
Actually i slowly preparing to retreat from at lest north Burma. His south offensive just encircled Prome so soon i will abandon it to make another defense line in Jungle line. Probably next 2-4 weeks are my last in Taung Gyi. I dont need troops there if Rangoon is in danger. My plan is to buy time, fight where i need or have chance and slowly retreat. I thin i will hold Burma for 2-3 moths back. After dtah only Ranggon area shoul be in Japanese hands

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 3:37:33 PM)
I have nice email exchange today with Docup, we talk about what he or cant do in next months. Generally about tactic without CV superiority. We talk about CVE force he can use. In February (60 days) his CV/CVL/CVE fleet will reach in numbers KB. In June allies will have 2200 carrier planes and in September almost 3000 so i have maybe 4-5 quiet month before allies will back to offensive

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/14/2014 3:55:43 PM)
CVs are nice to have but not required. He still has enough CV/CVEs to do operations in places where you arn�t ready for it. Say, NOPAC, CENTPAC and even Northern Sumatra. As long as he can get close enough undetected that you won�t have time to shift the KB and LBA.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/16/2014 3:03:13 PM)
Still no turn from Docup. He write me that he still have lot to do with it. Plus he working his 12h shifts two day in row. As for future. This game have big chances to last until 1946 Because i don`t even dream that we will play until 1946, there is no chance that empire will have jets as i decide not research them at all at game beginning. Probably i can shift some factories to them but there we will second problem. Engines never where planed for jets. I just have no free engine factories. Firs calculation is showing that Jet program worth of building, so at lest 200 planes monthly, will cost me ~600-800k of supplies

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (1/16/2014 3:52:23 PM)
Do you have Ki-94? That will be much more useful if you can get it. The stats are as good as most Allied fighters at that time and it's 'only' service 3 compared to 5 for the jets.

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