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mind_messing -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/25/2014 5:52:58 PM)
What's your conclusions regarding coastal defence guns? Have they inflicted any serious damage in your game?

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/25/2014 5:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing What's your conclusions regarding coastal defence guns? Have they inflicted any serious damage in your game? I cant say nothing about Jap CD. So far Allied invasions don`t face CD batteries. I can only say that Allied CD guns do some serious damage to my invasions in 41/42. I lost two DDs from them, and more than few cargo ships. Plus few more DDs and Cruisers spend some time is dry dock after those invasions.

PaxMondo -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/26/2014 2:57:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing What's your conclusions regarding coastal defence guns? Have they inflicted any serious damage in your game? The challenge is to be able to protect them from allied air strikes. If you lose air superiority over a base, they will disable many of your devices, including CD guns ... if not disabled cd guns are effective in that you can count on 1 -2 ships each turn. For the allies though, 1-2 ships per landing is NOT a high price given how many ships they have ....

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/26/2014 3:03:01 PM)
In my game, even after a pounding from the air, the guns in the Marianas and at Saipan especially really gave the invasion fleet a pounding, but ultimately Jocke set up the forces well and the BBs took most of it. I found myself in awe of what was happening watching the replays though, and was almost neutral during those moments seeing the majesty of each side fighting tooth and nail to do their job well. Here is the post from the Saipan invasion. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3384058 To really have an effect you must have at least the 12.7cm guns in numbers, but of course against BBs the bigger guns are necessary. I've not seen anything try to hit the massive batteries at Yokohama or the big guns at some of the Home Island bases. That'll be fun to watch!

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/27/2014 5:53:18 AM)
7 June 44 Burma New defense line is ready. I still not sure if i should defend in Pegu. Base have forts 6 but i deeply believe that Allied tanks will do the same with me what Jap tanks do with Chinese troops. Second question is Defense of Rangoon. Abandon it or sacrifice 1000 AV and do last stand there. x3 Terrain, fort 7. 1000AV (two ID, Tank Div. some arty and AT units). It could be expensive to capture. Ambon Naval battle. Docup send two 3xDD TFs, only 4 DD return I am sending big boys to Ambon. Kongo TF should arrive in 3 days. Night Time Surface Combat, near Ambon at 76,109, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Atago CA Haguro, Shell hits 1 DD Asashimo, Shell hits 1, DD Hayashio, Shell hits 2, DD Maikaze DD Satsuki DD Kikuzuki Allied Ships DD Meredith, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD Grayson, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Hobby, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk --------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ambon at 76,109, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Yura, Shell hits 1 CL Kuma CL Tama, Shell hits 2 CL Kiso, Shell hits 1 DD Takanami DD Naganami, Shell hits 2, DD Tamanami DD Okinami DD Hamanami Allied Ships DD Russell DD O'Brien, Shell hits 1 DD Morris R&D A7M2 Sam advance to 7/45 A7M2 Sam factory repaired. Currently i am gaining 8 point daily. I will start producing Sam in late 9/44

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/27/2014 11:05:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Here is the post from the Saipan invasion. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3384058 Thanks for the link, I had been meaning to go back and re-read that portion of your AAR.[&o] A momentous page in your AAR...at the end is the invasion of Tavoy.[:(]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/28/2014 6:55:34 AM)
8 June 1944 Burma Night air ride in Tavoy. I lost AMc Night Air attack on Tavoy , at 54,60 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft B-25D1 Mitchell x 9 Allied aircraft losses B-25D1 Mitchell: 5 damaged Japanese Ships AMc Ichiyo Maru, Shell hits 7, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage Ambon After last turn battles two strange looking TFs took position 11 and 9 hexes from Ambon. I suspecting Fletcher TF (11 hexes distance) and CA TF (9 hexes). Prabably tommarow they will move toward Ambon. [image]local://upfiles/37745/02B50C93446F4211A669DF76721FA878.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/28/2014 10:25:47 AM)
Why is he wasting valuable DDs in 3 ship TFs? It should be 8 or 12! [X(]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/28/2014 2:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Why is he wasting valuable DDs in 3 ship TFs? It should be 8 or 12! [X(] I will not tell him that.[8D] 9 June 1944 Nothing to report

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 7:34:27 AM)
10 June 1944 IO One of subs near Diego Garcia find enemy ships. I guessing those are CV and invasion ships that try to land near Rangoon few days ago. I think they are sailing toward Oz. 13 Subs is sailing toward South West Oz. Maybe i will have some luck. Another 10 is sailing toward Tasmania Rest of map was Quiet. Float transports are evacuating troops from Tarawa. Base is bombed daily, loses are high so or i will evacuate them or in 2 weeks they will be wiped out by bombers. Mariana garrison is bigger every day. I have there 4000 AV already 1000 more is waiting in Japan for transport. I want to have there at lest 1000+ AV in main islands(Guam, Tinian, Saipan) 700AV+ in Rota and 500AV for other. All behind fort 6 or 7 with tanks, arty and AT support. Burma I need help there. To make final decisions. On map You can see my and allied troops positions: North of Rangoon 1500AV Rangoon 1000AV Pagu 1600AV South of Pegu 700AV Moulmein 1000AV It look that allies decide to bypass road block north of Rangoon and move trough jungle and join with forces moving toward Pegu forces. Estimated enemy AV is 2000-3000AV in both groups. So ~6000+AV total. My plan is to retreat troops that are north of Rangoon toward Pegu and from there behind River. Questions 1. Should i abandon Rangoon or leave city garrison ~1000AV 2. Should i fight in Pegu or just now retreat to Jungle hex south behind river (I need hold Pegu for week until troop from Rangoon retreat) Any advices appreciated. Few of You already play as Allies and Japan in similar situation. [image]local://upfiles/37745/158D3A9253E147489D9F5B8BDA1DA455.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 8:06:24 AM)
How many forts are at Rangoon? How many 4Es does he have in Burma? Personally I would pull back. The 1000 AV will be much better used elsewhere and there is really no value for you to hang onto Rangoon any longer. He is already within extended B29 range of Singers. Unless you think you can hold on to Rangoon/Pegu until 11/44 (B29-25 normal range is 31) you might as well pull back now. Why hold at Pegu or behind it? Only 2x terrain right? Pull back to the Thai border where there are some good 3x terrain. Giving up Moulmein and Pegu won�t matter at this point IMO. He can get enough supply from Ramree so denying him the ports won�t matter. And Moulmein is 36 hexes from PB so just outside B29-1 range.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 8:21:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister How many forts are at Rangoon? How many 4Es does he have in Burma? Personally I would pull back. The 1000 AV will be much better used elsewhere and there is really no value for you to hang onto Rangoon any longer. He is already within extended B29 range of Singers. Unless you think you can hold on to Rangoon/Pegu until 11/44 (B29-25 normal range is 31) you might as well pull back now. Why hold at Pegu or behind it? Only 2x terrain right? Pull back to the Thai border where there are some good 3x terrain. Giving up Moulmein and Pegu won�t matter at this point IMO. He can get enough supply from Ramree so denying him the ports won�t matter. And Moulmein is 36 hexes from PB so just outside B29-1 range. Rangoon fort 7 Pegu fort 6 Moulmein fort 6 I will not fight for death in all those Jungle hexes. I only want to buy as much time is i can. From my exp Docup will try to avoid river crossing so he will move longer path trugh jungle and that will take some time. 90miles trugh jungle will take at lest month Losing Rangoon, Pegu, Moulmein will give Docup one thing. Total air control. I will end with only Chiang Mai (lvl 5), Tavoy (lvl 5), Bangkok (lvl 9). Docup already have much more big AF in area, but without Rangoon, Pegu, Moulmein i will not be able to fight. Right now i have 4 mutually supporting fields. He can close one or two but not all, after i lose them he will just close rest one by one. If my intel is correct Docup have not less than 500 bombers in Burma. Don`t know how many of them is 4E. All what Docup was doing from few month is reckon bombing with 50 or less 2E bombers.

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 8:43:03 AM)
Well, do YOU need to control the air space? [:)]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 9:05:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Well, do YOU need to control the air space? [:)] It is June 1944, so probably i should not, but it will be big change for me. I am sure i will easy find job for all those fighters I have in area, between Sumatra and Burma i have ~1000 fighters. Some can be easily moved to Ambon area. Some to will stay in Bangkok rest will protect Sumatra oil fields. Actually not having so many fighters in Burma will work for me. Between 30-45 days from now 20 air groups is scheduled to withdrawal. In return i will get only half of that. Those Burma groups will close holes in other areas.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 10:48:07 AM)
I have do summary of intel from last two month about major Allied units in Burma. I check all ground battles, air bombardments etc. Lower in table i give You major allied units that probably are in Burma. I split them in 3 groups, 1 is marching toward Rangoon, second toward Pegu third group is figting East of Chiang Mai. Two Indian Division are probably out of action as they lost most if squads during last battles near Chiang Mai, [image]local://upfiles/37745/C2F1EC74C5694485A2A01D19CFAFCEE6.jpg[/image] In total it is 15+ Inf Divisions and 10+ Tank regiments

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 11:40:39 AM)
Tough to get used to the map, but beautiful.[:)] How certain are you that Chiang Mai area will hold? You know your enemy, but I would be afraid. Easy for me, because that is my constant state.[:D] I see you haven't built up Uttaradit, east of Raheng? Could he land paratroops there and cut the main supply to Chiang Mai, if only temporarily? Then a push down from Chiang Mai with your troops low on supply? If he gets to Raheng/Uttaradit he is going to force all your troops to the west to Bangkok/Singers. Paranoid/scared rant off. [sm=00000939.gif]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 12:05:18 PM)
Chiang Mai area should hold for some time. 3x terrain all units 3+ dig in. Some tanks, arty and AT units I have there 2700AV Japanese and almost Thai 1000AV. It should hold for next 2 months, after that Thais units are gone His units are little tired. Last attempt of attack not end well for him. Two Indian ID where forced prabably to retreat north because of loses(over 450 combat squads destroyed). Rest of his army take lot if disabled squads. Uttaradit - good hint. I will send there some units. Forts are in place only lack of LCUs. 100AV should be enough in each base. I have few spare Thai units

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 4:41:54 PM)
Small teaser. I do probably most stupid thing during this game. It can be best or worst day for Japanese Air Force Tomorrow over 1000 fighters will sweep all over map. Fighters will go in air in Burma, DEI, Solomons and China. After them over 600 bombers will go to attack ports and AF escorted by another 500 of more fighters. It will be bloody day. BANZAI!!!!!

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:06:47 PM)
Sounds like Sho-2...and we know how that ended! [X(] I think its a mistake. You need to have patience. There is no need for you to be offensive. Hope I�m wrong though... [:)]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:20:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Sounds like Sho-2...and we know how that ended! [X(] I think its a mistake. You need to have patience. There is no need for you to be offensive. Hope I�m wrong though... [:)] I chose my targets wisely - probably[8D]. AF with CAP less than 100 planes. Those places will be sweeped with 150-200 Franks "r" Those places have also bombers ordered. I also chose few places with higher fighter presence but i believe CAP is small fraction of them. (I almost newer loose search planes there plus Docup have habit to have fighters in place but on rest)Those bases will be sweeped with Frank r but no bombers ordered. It will be funny to watch. I can afford one action like that. Every game nned to have moment for madness[:D].

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:23:25 PM)
Oh, you have Frank-r? And 2nd MVR band HR? If so, sweep away. Only thing that can hurt you are P47s. [X(]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:39:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Oh, you have Frank-r? And 2nd MVR band HR? If so, sweep away. Only thing that can hurt you are P47s. [X(] Yes and Yes I have 19 Squadrons flying Ki-84r Frank. Total it give me 931 active fighters Pool reserve is 450 planes. 14 Squadrons is flying Ki-44c Tojo Pool reserve is 1200 planes. (production stooped) 15 Squadrons is flying Tojo, Oscar or Frank "a" but they are training groups.

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:42:58 PM)
Poor DOCUP. [:(] Only the P47 can reach the highest band. So sweeping with anything but P47s will be suicide for him as you can place your CAP above his sweeps. And P47 are very rare until the "N" version comes online.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 5:55:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Poor DOCUP. [:(] Only the P47 can reach the highest band. So sweeping with anything but P47s will be suicide for him as you can place your CAP above his sweeps. And P47 are very rare until the "N" version comes online. According to my data Docup currently should have (only good planes) (USA, USN, British, Australia) P-47 - 1130 P-51 - 220 P-38 - 620 Spitfire VIII - 350 F4U - 810 F6F - 2100 Note that only P-47 and F6F-3 can be placed on CAP/sweep above ceiling of Frank r. F6F-5 have max ceiling below Frank r P-51, P-38, Spitfire can CAP/sweep only at 31k but they have ceiling better from Frank so they can climb when in CAP Corsair can only CAP/sweep at 31k and have ceiling below Frank. First model that can climb above Frank is D version

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 6:06:52 PM)
Ah, forgot about the Hellcat. Though its pretty outdated compared to the Frank. He can still hurt you on the defensive though. I usually placed the Spit VII down at 15k. Franks dived on them, Spits evaded and then the higher CAP dived on the Franks and chewed them up. But sweeping against "R"s suck! Not even Corsair do well when the fly into higher placed CAP. Are you sure he has over 1000 P47s? Surely he must have suffered some losses?

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 6:17:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Are you sure he has over 1000 P47s? Surely he must have suffered some losses? F6F comparing to Frank is not good. In Frank i have usually 70+XP and few 60XP pilots. Frank usually will win 75% duels much more when Frank have dive, little less if F6F have dive P-47 is most dangerous but he climb so slow that usually most of them not managing to climb above Frank but still even if Frank have dive it is very hard to kill P-47. When P-47 have dive. Well, bye, bye Frank I am believe that Docup flying with his best pilots in P-47. 80XP is minimum probably So far Docup lose only 240 P-470

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/30/2014 6:22:58 PM)
Yeah, most likely. He probably have a couple of 100 EXP80+ pilots. I know I had something like 600 pilots over 70 EXP just in the pools.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/31/2014 6:26:14 AM)
11 June 1944 Day was partial success. China planes stay on ground. In Solomons only sweeps fly but they find empty air.[&:] In DEI sweeps and bombers fly. No CAP but bombers attack ports sinking. 5xLCT, SS Pogy, 2xPT, xAK and AGP Burma only sweeps and no bombers. But sweeps go very good. -Allied loses 111 planes: 60 P-40, 29 Hurricane IIc, 10 Spitfires V, 8 F4U, 3 Spitfires VIII, and 1 P-51 -Japan lost 31 Franks (20 a2a) and 11 pilots, day should be much better but accidentally J2M5 group go sweep and was hammered by P-47s, 11 planes and 9 pilot lost.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/31/2014 7:28:30 AM)
Thanks for advice about Rangoon JocMeister, but question is still open for other readers. I still have 2 days before i will have to make final decisions. Maybe little more if my delay plan will work.

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (8/31/2014 7:30:55 AM)
Thats a very good result indeed! Well done. [:)]

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