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koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 7:34:51 AM)
10 December 1944 Burma Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one. Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese) Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng. KB Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed. Yamato. All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be. 188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:]

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 7:47:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu 10 December 1944 Burma Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one. Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese) Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng. KB Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed. Yamato. All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be. 188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:] This is odd, but I've seen it a lot too. Maybe some way of saying that the repair yard simply can't do any more than high priority with this job. With 5 forts you may still hold one more time at Raheng. The Chinese don't do well against forts, and after they drop them to 4 during the attack you'll still have that and the x2 terrain. Either way you'll most likely inflict a lot of losses on the Allies too.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 8:43:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: koniu 10 December 1944 Burma Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one. Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese) Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng. KB Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed. Yamato. All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be. 188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:] This is odd, but I've seen it a lot too. Maybe some way of saying that the repair yard simply can't do any more than high priority with this job. With 5 forts you may still hold one more time at Raheng. The Chinese don't do well against forts, and after they drop them to 4 during the attack you'll still have that and the x2 terrain. Either way you'll most likely inflict a lot of losses on the Allies too. I hope You are right about Rahaeng Other thing worth mentioning: K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai. Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets. (I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 11:36:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai. Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets. (I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential Great thinking! What kind of defence did you have at Udon? 1/3rd of a RTA division?

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 1:49:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: koniu K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai. Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets. (I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential Great thinking! What kind of defence did you have at Udon? 1/3rd of a RTA division? No troops. Base was empty as global Thailand evacuation plan is on move. Keeping troops there at this point of war is not best idea. Open terrain and 4E raid is not healthy for Japanese troops. Those troops that where there are now resting in Vietnam. Capturing Udon Thani now actually dont change much. I am in middle of evacuation toward Vietnam already RTA is no more. They surrender 6 month ago. I have only Japanese troops now in region.

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/26/2015 2:44:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu RTA is no more. They surrender 6 month ago. I have only Japanese troops now in region. Duh, Sometimes it is hard to remember how late you are in the game! So very well played.[&o]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 8:39:44 AM)
10-11 December 1944 Thailand DA in Rahaeng. Japanese troops hold. First day was 4:1 but lucky allied troop get probably tired and disorganized and even i suffer bigger loses i hold with 1:2 AV ratio. This make me optimistic. If i hold for another day, two more IDs will enter hex from West. That dont change battle result and they will be probably crashed but at lest there is chance to avoid being cut off. Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 90717 troops, 1243 guns, 958 vehicles, Assault Value = 5124 Defending force 40662 troops, 520 guns, 763 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 3357 Japanese adjusted defense: 833 Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 4465 casualties reported Squads: 17 destroyed, 274 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 50 disabled Guns lost 155 (5 destroyed, 150 disabled) Vehicles lost 66 (8 destroyed, 58 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2127 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 214 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled Vehicles lost 115 (25 destroyed, 90 disabled) ----------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 94230 troops, 1371 guns, 956 vehicles, Assault Value = 4873 Defending force 37410 troops, 519 guns, 756 vehicles, Assault Value = 859 Allied adjusted assault: 721 Japanese adjusted defense: 1573 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 3784 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 371 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled Guns lost 128 (26 destroyed, 102 disabled) Vehicles lost 47 (7 destroyed, 40 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1360 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 108 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled) Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 9:39:51 AM)
Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low. Very interesting.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 9:44:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low. Very interesting. They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another day

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 12:20:38 PM)
Thanks for posting the fight at Raheng. Very interesting, and prescient for my game.[:)]

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 2:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low. Very interesting. They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another day Yes. i'm sure that's it too. So you'll be doing a bit of close in LR CAP over that hex to I'll bet! [:)]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/28/2015 2:46:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: koniu quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low. Very interesting. They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another day Yes. i'm sure that's it too. So you'll be doing a bit of close in LR CAP over that hex to I'll bet! [:)] Yest there was LCAP. I lost 55 fighters for 15 allied fighters and 20 bombers. But good news is that base hold another day. Tomorrow two IDs (one fresh ans second at 65% shape will enter base from hex west of Rahaeng) and from there they will be forced to retreat base to SE. As suspected allies are short on supplies. I will abandon one small eng unit in west hex this will probably buy me one more day Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 112770 troops, 1627 guns, 1081 vehicles, Assault Value = 4771 Defending force 34136 troops, 503 guns, 750 vehicles, Assault Value = 522 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Allied adjusted assault: 897 Japanese adjusted defense: 267 Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: supply(-) Japanese ground losses: 5306 casualties reported Squads: 90 destroyed, 278 disabled Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 216 disabled Engineers: 30 destroyed, 47 disabled Guns lost 173 (93 destroyed, 80 disabled) Vehicles lost 55 (10 destroyed, 45 disabled) Allied ground losses: 563 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 77 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled) After battle all those 4 ID in Rahaeng will be (i hope) evacuated to Manila when they rest for some time. They should be ready to fight in few weeks.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/30/2015 3:24:47 PM)
13 December 1944 Rahaeng Another bloody day. Two IDs and some arty units enter base from West. They hold but suffer major loses. Allies also shock attack trough river and capture Uttaradit (East of Rahaeng) Everything with wheels or legs is moving toward base SE of Rahaeng. I hope i have enough time. Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 113708 troops, 1627 guns, 1112 vehicles, Assault Value = 4707 Defending force 55679 troops, 824 guns, 1000 vehicles, Assault Value = 817 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied adjusted assault: 627 Japanese adjusted defense: 2619 Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: supply(-) Japanese ground losses: 4277 casualties reported Squads: 150 destroyed, 173 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 118 disabled Engineers: 13 destroyed, 23 disabled Guns lost 101 (27 destroyed, 74 disabled) Vehicles lost 33 (8 destroyed, 25 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2734 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 250 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled Engineers: 26 destroyed, 96 disabled Guns lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled) Vehicles lost 31 (4 destroyed, 27 disabled) Ambon and Namlea Both bases DA today. Both hold. It is over 2 months and allies cant get trough defense lines.

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/30/2015 3:37:49 PM)
Amazing you're holding this long. I thought you were getting out a few days ago? What are you waiting for? [:D]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (4/30/2015 3:47:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Amazing you're holding this long. I thought you were getting out a few days ago? What are you waiting for? [:D] I moving. But this is combat mode do 6 miles daily. Orginal crashed IDs still need to move 14 miles. Those that enter base today 46. At lest he will not cut of me. Units will be reduce to 0AV but after 2-3 months in Manila they will back to shape. Now i know that i should start evac week earlier

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/1/2015 7:39:04 AM)
14 December 1944 Rahaeng Troops still marching. many should retreat from base in 48h Allies DA again. This time they suffer more damage. I start believing i can retreat from that Pocket Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 69671 troops, 974 guns, 432 vehicles, Assault Value = 4435 Defending force 52414 troops, 796 guns, 993 vehicles, Assault Value = 636 Allied adjusted assault: 353 Japanese adjusted defense: 1111 Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1348 casualties reported Squads: 21 destroyed, 76 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 47 (19 destroyed, 28 disabled) Vehicles lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1571 casualties reported Squads: 20 destroyed, 153 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled) Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Bloody battle allies lost so far 8000 men in week, japan 19000 Ambon Allied BB SAG intercept small APD SAG in base hex. It was attempt to unload some supplies in base. Two APD lost. Allies DA in Ambon and Namlea, bases hold but forts go down. I belie it is a meter of days when both bases will fall

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/1/2015 8:26:20 AM)
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obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/1/2015 2:53:30 PM)
Will you rail out or just keep walking once you get out of the contested hex?

JocMeister -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/1/2015 5:40:22 PM)
Keep delaying him without wrecking yourself. You are doing fantastic! [:)]

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/1/2015 6:07:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Will you rail out or just keep walking once you get out of the contested hex? Plan is to rail them out. But I need to keep AF open. I keep heavy cap in base and have decent reserve. 300+ planes on CAP and 450 in reserve for rotation. First wave should retreat easily problem can be with second wave of retreating units but i have plan for that to. Walking is no doable. Open hex and no CAP, he will destroy me in days.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/2/2015 7:10:29 AM)
15 December 1944 Rahaeng Good day. No DA only bombardment. Some units will move out from base tomorrow. Bad news is that i accidentally reset movement of one if IDs.[:(] For sure on foot or after enemy attack they will retreat[8\|] I now sure that i will be able to rescue no less than half of my units, they will be railed to Phnom Penh and from there they will march to Saigon where will load on ships and sail to Manila Hanoi I starting small offensive (1000AV) toward Liuchow.I believe i have less than ID defending that area Main reason is to move some attention to that area. I believe Docup will think that i want to abandon Thailand by land to China.In 48h IR will enter hex between Liuchow and Kweilin to block rails and potential reinforcements from Changsha are. 200th Sentai 2 days ago upgrade to Ki-83. Still need few days to fully repair all planes.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 4:25:54 PM)
16-17 December 1944 Rahaeng On 16th allies SA but somehow Japan hold, sadly on 17th another DA force Japanese troops to retreat (12000KIA[X(]) Time to rail out. I should be ready to retreat in 3-4 days. 350 top fighters on CAP. 600 in reserve. I am using elite boys in those machines. Namlea/Ambon Another DA. We holding positions but forts are almost gone Grace DB sunk enemy DD that was hunting subs near Ambon and damaged another one.

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 4:39:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu 16-17 December 1944 Rahaeng On 16th allies SA but somehow Japan hold, sadly on 17th another DA force Japanese troops to retreat (12000KIA[X(]) Time to rail out. I should be ready to retreat in 3-4 days. 350 top fighters on CAP. 600 in reserve. I am using elite boys in those machines. Namlea/Ambon Another DA. We holding positions but forts are almost gone Grace DB sunk enemy DD that was hunting subs near Ambon and damaged another one. Can you rail out if there are enemies present in hex? I'm thinking no, but maybe my memory is faulty. Will there be enemies in hex by the time you will be ready to get moving?

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 4:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: koniu 16-17 December 1944 Rahaeng On 16th allies SA but somehow Japan hold, sadly on 17th another DA force Japanese troops to retreat (12000KIA[X(]) Time to rail out. I should be ready to retreat in 3-4 days. 350 top fighters on CAP. 600 in reserve. I am using elite boys in those machines. Namlea/Ambon Another DA. We holding positions but forts are almost gone Grace DB sunk enemy DD that was hunting subs near Ambon and damaged another one. Can you rail out if there are enemies present in hex? I'm thinking no, but maybe my memory is faulty. Will there be enemies in hex by the time you will be ready to get moving? I hope i will be able. 3 days ago i give order to march toward Rahaeng to small LCU. Let call them kamikaze squad. They will enter Rahaeng in 48h. This should reset allied movement and force allies to again push me out from hex. This should buy me time. I am not sure if this is gamy or not.(advice appreciated) I am using unit with AV, I see this as buying time with blood of those troops. They will make traps, destroy bridges, collapse trees on road etc. Guerrilla tactic i will say. I will only use single unit.

Lowpe -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 7:07:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu I am not sure if this is gamy or not.(advice appreciated) I am using unit with AV, I see this as buying time with blood of those troops. They will make traps, destroy bridges, collapse trees on road etc. Guerrilla tactic i will say. I will only use single unit. I don't think it is gamey, it is very risky, if I understand what you are doing correctly. Picture this, you shock into the hex and are not destroyed. The Allies deliberate attack with one unit and set all other to reserve pursuit. Want to bet they make it across the river preventing SRing any troops out of Pisanuloke? Unless your unit is destroyed in the combat. I have done exactly that without triggering a shock attack in the pursuit phase in China. You can SR into an enemy occupied hex, but you cannot SR out of one.

witpqs -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 7:33:10 PM)
Not gamey. Even in 1990 the US deployed 'speed bumps'* to Saudi Arabia! * My recollection is that is what the airborne troops called themselves.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 7:51:35 PM)
I must risk. Moving by land is not option. I will be able to move only south (open terrain) So he will destroy me with air force. Only hope for those troops is rail. Attacking LCU must be destroyed, I am moving 10AV force against 5000AV. Probably attack will end after bombardment phase. My hopes is that triggering that move will somehow capture hex side and that will force allies to start movement again. I watch replay again it looks that only single IR is on pursuit after today battle. I think i have 2 maybe 3 days. I have 400AV in base. Enough to hold single IR so they need prabably wait for rest of army

witpqs -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 8:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu I must risk. Moving by land is not option. I will be able to move only south (open terrain) So he will destroy me with air force. Only hope for those troops is rail. Attacking LCU must be destroyed, I am moving 10AV force against 5000AV. Probably attack will end after bombardment phase. My hopes is that triggering that move will somehow capture hex side and that will force allies to start movement again. I watch replay again it looks that only single IR is on pursuit after today battle. I think i have 2 maybe 3 days. I have 400AV in base. Enough to hold single IR so they need prabably wait for rest of army OK, now I am officially confused. What the heck is going on? [:D] Pictures would help for those of us hard of understanding! You have 400 AV at which base? 'Enough to hold single IR..." but units still cannot rail out if the enemy IR is there. As far as the 10 AV unit moving on the enemy, they will only have an effect on enemy movement if they are still there when the enemy is moving. So if they move in and flip the hex side, but make a shock attack and are destroyed then the hex side flips back to enemy control before the following movement phase. Not sure if the flipping of the previous movement phase (the turn where they were destroyed) would reset movement or not. Have to wait and see unless someone else knows for sure.

koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 8:12:54 PM)
400 AV is an base SE of Rahaeng. I belive Docup will not risk river SA with single IR so he need wait for main army and that army at best need to move 2-3 days before cross river. We will see what will happen. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain PS. Sorry for confusion i dont sleep from 20h

obvert -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (5/4/2015 8:14:04 PM)
How can you be sure through the visual pointers it's one IR moving? Doesn't the small indicator just mean it's a portion of the stack, but not the whole stack? Also Japanese recon is not trustworthy in these things. I've found out the hard way against Jocke. Close to the same area. I don't think your unit will survive, but it might force his units into combat mode and stop their movement. There is a chance for you here. [:)] Have any of your divisions or better units been destroyed completely or do you have the shell of them all still moving back?

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