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Peltonx -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/4/2011 10:05:47 PM)

Only thing I would have done different is your southern railheads.

On turn 5 you would have been able to HQ up corps on the other side of river so on turn 6 you could have bagged arm centers a long long ways from front. You have pocketed allot of units which will make defending very hard between turns 10-13. The key wil be fuel.

How many arm pts have u been able to bag so far? Your going to probably hit 3.5 million easy enough, but you need at least 50 arm pts bagged. 70 would be your enemys death.

Nice advance and job pocketing units.

Pelton



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 12:53:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Only thing I would have done different is your southern railheads.

On turn 5 you would have been able to HQ up corps on the other side of river so on turn 6 you could have bagged arm centers a long long ways from front. You have pocketed allot of units which will make defending very hard between turns 10-13. The key wil be fuel.

How many arm pts have u been able to bag so far? Your going to probably hit 3.5 million easy enough, but you need at least 50 arm pts bagged. 70 would be your enemys death.

Nice advance and job pocketing units.

Pelton



Yeah, I've done it different ways for rail in the south. So what do you think is best? In a previous post, T4: Loses, I detailed the destroyed industry so far. I'm at a paltry 11 armaments factories destroyed so far. [:(]



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 1:28:56 AM)

T5 Start: Fins

Note: I upgraded to v1.05.23 before this turn and since it took a several days actually finish the turn, it ended on v1.05.30. I did suffer a lose of about 500k armaments due to the 45mm production bug. So it's about break even if starting axis armaments are going from 600k -> 100k.

The Fins will get some revenge and should bag 3 divs and some SEC units.



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Peltonx -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 1:55:46 AM)

generally I rail the AGS rail unit to Romanian and start building turn 2, both work on same line on turn 3 and 4. You should be able to be over river and HQ up if you have done the rail upgrade right.

The HQed units can easly reach d/z town or Kharkov.

I have reached Stalino and Kharkov on turn 7 many times, if the Russian has loose lines. Sooner if the Russian player is a newbie.

You are pocketing far more units then I have at this point and your arm number is not that bad if your enemy is stupid and railing out the forward industry.

A smart Russian playe gives up the front 35 industrys and starts railing out way ahead of the curve.

I really like your pocketing tactics so far. Great job [sm=character0272.gif]



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 1:56:00 AM)

T5: AGN

We've pulled back a portion of 4th Pz grp to refit/resupply. I'm probably going to do an HQ buildup on at least one of the Pz Corps.
I'm going to keep my options open to either a drive up the Novgorod hwy to Lake Ladoga or the right hook around Lake Ilmen.
We'll have to see where the least path of resistance is and how many units I can potentially trap.
I don't like using my Pz forces in this terrain, but it's a means to an ends at this point. They will be relocated/redirected after the conquest of Leningrad. [:)]

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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 2:01:01 AM)

Things are starting to get tougher with the Soviet defenses. Will see more battle outcomes like the one below (AGN sector).
I pride myself on weighing odds before making attacks and giving my units all possible advantages, but there's some intangibles I can't control. [:(]


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Peltonx -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 2:03:44 AM)

Another thing i do is drop back one corps and tank up on turn 3. This way they can really jump forward after the front units have opened things up. Any turn will do with the tanking up. but your using all your tanks to pocket units.

Dont waste flying in supplys to units until it can make a big difference, the transports get tired really fast.

Your tactics are different then mine, they might be better. Only one way to find out.

Dont change a thing, your play style is you. Great job.

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Pelton



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 2:15:19 AM)

T5: AGC

Although this turn was planned to be a refit of Pz Grp 3, I couldn't resist the temptation to surround Smolensk for at least one turn.
I don't expect the ring to hold on Bill's turn, however, it should give me another opportunity to re-pocket a large portion of these Soviet forces.
I've push some units of Pz Grp 2, including my magnificent 1st Cav Div, south and linked up with AGS. I now have many choices for 4th Army and I'm taking any advice? My initial plan was to push it towards Bryansk - Tula.


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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 2:28:14 AM)

T5: AGS

All pockets held and we'll be reducing them all on T6. Hard to believe, but the initial Lvov pocket has last 6 turns now. [:'(]
We've pushed a bit east of Kiev to create a corridor for infantry of the 6th Army to move on Kharkov next turns.
The Wiking SS Mot Div was able to push SE and capture Kirovograd. We plan to march 17th Army east towards the key cities of Dnepropetrosk and Zaphorozhye.
Bill has already evacuated all but a few factories from these two key cities [:(]

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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 2:53:12 AM)

T5: Romanians and 11th Army

Some interesting developments this turn. In a stroke of luck the Odessa perimeter defenders, 2nd Cav div, left their position to assist in a battle to the north.
The battle was lost and they routed, leave an undefended Odessa for 22nd Airlanding. There's not much industry left immediately to the east (shown on map in green). Still have to scratch my head as to why no unit was defending Odessa.
My guess is Bill figured I didn't have the movement to reach it if there was a ring of units around it. Well he was correct, but putting his perimeter unit(s) on reserve was the mistake. But if we push hard, we should find some in the Donets basin still in place.


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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 3:04:01 AM)

T5: Loses and Destroyed Factories

Sharp rise in Soviet loses as many pocketed enemy units finally surrendered. We'll see if I can keep up a decent pace for the next 2/3 of summer/fall. My goal is still 3.5 - 4 million Soviet troops lost.
We're still doing poorly on the destroyed factory front. No factories destroyed this turn and my total still sits at 11 armament and 14 heavy industry destroyed. [:(] Let's hope I can raise this total significantly over the next 10-12 turns.






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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 3:09:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Another thing i do is drop back one corps and tank up on turn 3. This way they can really jump forward after the front units have opened things up. Any turn will do with the tanking up. but your using all your tanks to pocket units.

Dont waste flying in supplys to units until it can make a big difference, the transports get tired really fast.

Your tactics are different then mine, they might be better. Only one way to find out.

Dont change a thing, your play style is you. Great job.

[sm=Cool-049.gif]

Pelton



Thanks, I've learned a lot from other's AAR (yours too) and had great advice from the master ComradeP. [&o] That guy is a wealth of knowledge.



kirkgregerson -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/5/2011 5:26:08 PM)

Nice AAR.  Looks like the Axis are off to a decent start.  It's tough to get many factories in the beginning, the Soviet player can move those in immediate danger.  But as you get close to the heart of his production, it will be tough to move them out as fast as the stuff up front.  Are you caught up with AAR, if so the turn is on the Soviets now?



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/7/2011 7:15:26 PM)

Yes, Bill will hopefully have turn #6 ready me tonight.
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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/14/2011 6:01:26 PM)

Well I was wrong about the turn coming last week. Bill seems to be going through some personal turmoil and I can't really get much feedback from him about when he'll be doing the next turn. I'll update this post once I hear something more definite.

[:(]



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:03:16 AM)

Ok going to post turns 6 and 7 now.  First I want to make a house rule clear that Bill had asked for and we both agreed on.

No HQ Build-Ups for either side for entire game. 


Not sure who it will hurt more, but that's what were going to find out.



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:19:42 AM)

T6: Start

Bill did a good job of counter-attacking a few of my spearheads. I had a feeling my encirclement around Smolensk would not hold. I just wanted to try and slow down all those Soviet units around Smolensk from running back to help in forming the defense line around Moscow.

As can be seen below Bill routed the 20th Mot and cut off both the 14th Mot and 7th Panzer (where's Rommel [:(])
Although it might look grim, I do have all of 9th Army, 3rd Pz Grp, and parts of 4th Army to help break through to the isolated units and re-encircle the Smolensk units.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:25:05 AM)

In the south the poor SS Wiking Mot div that took Kirovograd the prior turn now find itself at the center of many Soviet units licking their chops. But once again I have very strong and mobile infantry units of the 17th Army and 2nd Army to help turn this situation around into a brilliant German victory.

Although a bit unorthodox, I'm now liking more decision to send a beefier 2nd army to help push in the south. [:)]


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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:36:30 AM)

T6: Finnish Zone

Events in the far north have been going well with the Finnish offensive. So far I've they have removed a few infantry and Sec units from the Soviet OOB with a few more are 'in the bag'. They will race as fast to the Finnish 'No Attack' lines to make sure Bill has them garrisoned.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:46:33 AM)

T6: AGN

I was able to push 18th Army a few more hexes towards Leningrad. The terrain is brutal, but the Soviets don't have any decent forts here. My plan is to rest most of 4th Panzer Grp and position 16th Army for a potential right hook around Lake Ilmen the next turn if Bill leaves me an opportunity there. We'll see if 18th Army continues to gain the majority of the Soviet's attention.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 4:58:39 AM)

T6: AGS - 'turning lemons into lemonade'

With help from strong infantry forces of the 9th Army and 3rd Pz Grp, I was able to re-encircle the Smolensk units and break through to my isolate Pz and Mot divisions. My plan is to push 4th Army towards Orel before turning it north on Moscow. The wide expanses of the Soviet Union is starting to dilute my fronts. I must try and focus some drives and just leave screening forces on the flanks. The 2nd and 3rd Pz Groups are low on fuel and will probably have to rest a turn or two before they can make and threatening drives.

REMEMBER: our house rule is no HQ Build-Up for either side the entire game.


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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 5:11:03 AM)

T6: AGS - 'SS Wiking is relieved'

I was able to use the bulk of 17th Army and a some units of 2nd Army to force a supply path to the SS Wiking Mot div. Now the Soviets will have to decide either to retreat or continue causing trouble for SS Wiking. I'm hoping they actually stick around for another turn as I have very strong forces of 17th Army and parts of 11th Army in the south that could come north. The 60th Mot div from OKH reserves was release to AGS a turn before and will be on the front for use next turn.
Slow going due to mopping up some previous encircle Soviet units, but 6th Army needs to proceed to Kharkov. I will send 2nd Army to support in this offensive.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 5:24:48 AM)

T6: Romanians and 11th Army

Because Odessa fell without a battle last turn, I'm pushing 11th Army east towards the Dnepr bend. I'm still undecided what to do about the Crimea. I will have to try and take it, but what forces to use?
It would be perfect for the Romanians to assault, thus leaving 11th Army free to force it's will on Dnep and Zapor. Depending on how it's garrisoned, they may just not have the strength to take it from the Soviets.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/27/2011 5:35:42 AM)

T6: Loses and Destroyed Factories

Still happy with lose #'s and ratios, although again doing poorly on the destroyed factory front. No factories destroyed this turn, thus totals stuck at 11 armament and 14 heavy industry destroyed. [:(]
My guess is that Bill is sacrificing Soviet units to delay my advance and buy time to rail out his important industry. Not sure what I can do to counter this? The house rule of no HQ Build-Ups doesn't help me gain ground very quickly to threaten Soviet industry.
I welcome anybody's advice on this topic... [&:]



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 4:05:31 AM)

T7: Finnish Zone - 'Redemption shall be ours..'

All Soviet resistance in the Finish 'attack' zone has been wiped out. Now it's just a race to see how far they can get. Ran out of movement near Lennigrad. He'll have to get some units in place or it could be disastrous for him.



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Ketza -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 4:16:29 AM)

Good gosh he is cutting it close at Leningrad!



abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 4:51:28 AM)

T7: AGN - 'Eye on the Prize'

Was able to unleash my right hook around Lake Ilmen with 16th Army and Manstein's LVI Pz Corps. Just able to cut the rail junction at Tikhvin with the 20th Pz [8D]
Also I was able to trap large forces between the advancing 16th and 18th Armies. Some good cavalry divisions in this pocket that I'll be more than happy to wipe off the Soviet OOB.

note: unfortunately for Bill, the 2 routed units around Nebolochi never recovered on my turn. That would have been enough to have foiled 20th Pz in it's race to Tikhvin. Lucks plays a part as some of the great generals even have admitted.





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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 5:07:36 AM)

T7: AGC - 'The Soviet nightmare at Smolensk is almost over'

Some of 3rd Pz Grp and 9th Army spend the last days of July reducing the Smolensk pocket. The start of August should see the remaining Soviet troops holding out in the city sent off to PoW camps in Poland.
The vastness of the Soviet Union is spreading AGC units out. I need to re-group and refocus 4th Army on a drive towards Orel which I hope to have captured by the end of August.



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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 5:21:27 AM)

T7 Start: AGS - 'what will forever be know as the miracle of Kirovograd begins...'

At first glance the start of T7 looks like trouble for units of AGS. Our evil enemy has cut off the valiant SS Winking Mot div holding on to Kirovograd.
In addition to Wiking being cutoff, we also have to rescue the 10th Pz, 11th Pz, L.A.H. Mor, and the 1st Rom Armor.
The placement of 2nd Army with AGS makes turning the tables on our Soviet foes possible. To date, excluding the opening days of Barbarossa, this will be our greatest victory of the current campaign.




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abulbulian -> RE: abulbulian (Axis) vs bwheatley (Sov) GC v1.05 (10/28/2011 5:38:19 AM)

T7 End: AGS

The brave soldiers of 2nd Army, 6th Army, 17th Army, and 1st Pz Grp were not only able to rescue their comrades, but encircle two more pockets of Soviet units.
Oh let's not forget a few divisions of 11th Army force-marching north to play a critical part in the southern most pocket.
Although we were delayed another turn (and probably next turn mopping up) in our advance east, we can only hope the large destruction of Soviet units will make a strong defensive line in the Donets basin very difficult for out foe.



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