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Gewehr43 -> Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 6:08:37 AM)

Playing a human player and the Soviets essentially have grabed air supperiority in November 1941. This is just so unrealistic it has made an otherwise competitive game unwinable. This last turn really capped it off. Ground attacks on Pz Divs with huge flak components result in relatively few loses and must be gaining him nice expierience. Did an airdrop into a area of the map that had 69 German escorts and 160 Ju52's dropping one Regmt of the 7th Flieger Division 1 hex behind the front line. Intercepted by 4 Lagg-3. Casualties for the Germans were 59 Ju2's, a few fighters and Soviet casualties were 6 Lagg-3's. The entire air war componant needs to be redone IMHO.



sitito -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 10:41:38 AM)

+1



Denniss -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 1:38:51 PM)

SOV attacking with four aircraft but lost six ?!?



Helpless -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 4:05:50 PM)

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Did an airdrop into a area of the map that had 69 German escorts and 160 Ju52's dropping one Regmt of the 7th Flieger Division 1 hex behind the front line. Intercepted by 4 Lagg-3. Casualties for the Germans were 59 Ju2's, a few fighters and Soviet casualties were 6 Lagg-3's.


If you can provide a save with steps to replicate it I can look into it.

Transport missions (due to the way they done right now) have known reporting issues. Besides, most casualties when doing transport missions are not due to the air attacks.



marty_01 -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 7:31:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Denniss

SOV attacking with four aircraft but lost six ?!?


ouch



Gewehr43 -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 9:23:06 PM)

The airdrop is but one part of a larger problem. The Soviets concentrating their aircraft on any one front and bombing until the Garman fighters are all used up, then bombing bomber bases 20 hexes behind the front without need of their own escorts anymore and taking almost no losses due to flak. Gradually, the Luftwaffe loses control of the air and the whole lot is in the National Reserve. Seems to me the German fighters are under rated by a factor of 3 and the flak units might as well be dismantled and sent on leave or retrained as infantry. Of course, this is the same tactic used by the Luftwaffe on turn one that destoyed the Red Airforce on the ground, 5000+ aircraft. On turn (week) two however the Red Air Force is withdrawn by the Russian player and the slaughter of the additional 5000+ planes of the 10,000 plane total lost in two weeks the Russian Air Force suffered historically never happens.

Yes Pavel, I have a saved game and the Axis password and can send it to you. Just let me know how and where to send it. You can see the state of the Luftwaffe after months of this tactic. My opponant is no dumbie and I don't blame him for doing everything he can, but German air superiority should not be overturned this quicky in the campaign game. Sorry about the HUGE screenshot. I'll replace it with a better sized version asap, but you do see the result. Thanks



Gewehr43 -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/5/2011 10:58:07 PM)

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The airdrop is but one part of a larger problem. The Soviets concentrating their aircraft on any one front and bombing until the Garman fighters are all used up, then bombing bomber bases 20 hexes behind the front without need of their own escorts anymore and taking almost no losses due to flak. Gradually, the Luftwaffe loses control of the air and the whole lot is in the National Reserve. Seems to me the German fighters are under rated by a factor of 3 and the flak units might as well be dismantled and sent on leave or retrained as infantry. Of course, this is the same tactic used by the Luftwaffe on turn one that destoyed the Red Airforce on the ground, 5000+ aircraft. On turn (week) two however the Red Air Force is withdrawn by the Russian player and the slaughter of the additional 5000+ planes of the 10,000 plane total lost in two weeks the Russian Air Force suffered historically never happens.



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Helpless -> RE: Air war component needs to be redone. (11/8/2011 11:04:05 AM)

You can zip and attach saves to the message in tech forum. It allows 5MB attachments. Or you can send your save to 2by3@2by3games.com



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