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wildweasel0585 -> RE: Lufwaffe tactics wanted for BTR (11/30/2011 5:36:17 PM)
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Show me where strategic bombers don't bomb strategic targets. Quoting me only shows you didnt read properly. You're the one implying that strategic bombers have to have 4 engines and be long ranged. The F-15E can be considered a "strategic bomber".
With all the reading you've done, you should know why mediums and heavies, werent used to bomb on a regular basis the same targets the heavies did. Show me consecutive raids where medium and light bombers used these gliding bombs. you can't so shut up about them. But you can show me where medium bombers have bombed strategic targets and gotten decimated. The primary weapon used for bombers during the time were dumb bombs.. I thought you knew this??
LEARN HOW TO READ
When i say "ventral attacks were ineffective" that does not mean they aren't preferred. But they weren't preferred, it was normally preferred to attack a bomber at night where it won't fall on you after you shoot it down.
LEARN HOW TO COMPREHEND, CONCENTRATE!
I also said "this isn't daylight bombing, night fighters didn't do frontal attacks" I don't understand how you could think i am talking about bombers when I clearly mentioned night fighters didn't do frontal attacks.
I guess in all your reading you missed the part about Germany using tons of searchlights. I assume you think they were using them to signal UFO's and ET's.You also miss the part about Bomber Command using jamming techniques. Last time I checked, jamming screws with radars.
Show me how stating Bomber command attacking in streams, which is something you obviously missed in your reading, and a tactic Bomber Command used implies I know little about Bomber Command tactics.All it shows it that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Since you're not a pilot, I can see how you think that flying at night in bad weather and in concentrated defensive boxes would be easy. Also, I never mentioned that bombers flying in streams would arrive over a target at the same time. Stop putting your words in my mouth. Besides, the tactic of flying in streams was to overwhelm AAA defenses of Kammhuber line.
How can you miss a big radar? Do some flying at night and you'll see how. Flying at night isnt as easy as you claim it is. It may seem that way to the guys in bomber command who were young kids who think their invincible and who's never been on a vehicle that can travel faster than 50mph.
"All you need is absence of low clouds, moon or a bit area illumination and then a handful of low-flying light or medium bombers." yeah, i forget that Bomber Command was a bunch of primitive apes who couldnt scratch their asses without your help. You must feel guilty that all those guys in BC died since you werent around at the time to tell them how to do it better. I know I would.
"Actually, after reading so much and having the advantage of hindsight, I'm pretty confident that I understand that primitive "strategy" and its failure."
Actually, no you don't.
First off, you didnt know that flying in bad weather, at night, and in concentrated formations is dangerous hard work.
Secondly, you think medium and light bombers could have done the heavy bombers job better with lighter payloads and think that the USAAF had an abundance of guided bombs.
Thirdly, you still don't understand why Bomber Command would use the tools they did when TACTICS FOLLOW DOCTRINE. IF YOU'RE BOMBING AT NIGHT, THEN YOU DON'T NEED A HEAVILY ARMED HIGH FLYING BOMBER.YOU DO KNOW BOMBER AND FIGHTER CREWS WEREN'T EQUIPPED WITH NVG'S AND THAT RADAR WAS PRIMITIVE AT THE TIME?
Fourthly, WW2 was total war, that means no civilians, only people helping the war effort. Bomber Command bombed to tie up German resources on the home front, which they did pretty damn well. Go take that war crimes bs, and cry about it somewhere else.
Using all that hindsight, I thought you would have known that Bomber Commands mission wasn't to "accelerate VE or reduce overall Allied casualties." That wasn't even the goal of the USSAF. If you knew the difference in the role that heavy bombers play compared with light and medium bombers, you would know that YOUR goal that YOU wanted Bomber Command to perform is purely tactical and wouldn't be suited for bomb trucks.
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