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It's also interesting that the pledge is to the flag, not the constitution. (Any thoughts guys? And BTW , I'm not unpatriotic , only curious).[&:] [:)]

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It's also interesting that the pledge is to the flag, not the constitution. (Any thoughts guys? And BTW , I'm not unpatriotic , only curious).[&:] [:)]

The whole world, not just you colonial types, seems awfully attached to flags considering they are just bits of fabric stitched together in nice patterns. If the most important thing you can find to pledge allegiance to is said bit of fabric then you're welcome to your country... On the same lines, I don't care if you burn a bit of fabric then go right ahead.


It's just a flag.

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Actually , you need to examine your own history my friend. It was the RN that introduced the concept of "firing a volley for the honour of the flag". And many a local poetantate and "WOG" found himself on the wrong end of a volley if he didn't pay proper respect to the Union Jack. My former home town of Portland Maine (At the time, Falmouth) was shelled and levelled , burned to the ground by the RN in 1775 because it didn't display the Union flag and did display a "Liberty tree". [:D]

I think the UK has changed significantly in the last 30 years on the subject. Certainly my own experice of almost 30 years ago indicated it. This was 1983 (the year after the Falklands War) and along with an abundent display of Union flags, I encountered feirce patriotism. To the point of being loudly and firmly told off when I made the mistake of reffering to my classmates as "citizens". Or as Europeans. yet most Brits I talk to today call themselves both. [:)]

I tend to think of we "colonials" as simply being slower to change and more stubborn about it. [:D]

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Actually , you need to examine your own history my friend. It was the RN that introduced the concept of "firing a volley for the honour of the flag". And many a local poetantate and "WOG" found himself on the wrong end of a volley if he didn't pay proper respect to the Union Jack. My former home town of Portland Maine (At the time, Falmouth) was shelled and levelled , burned to the ground by the RN in 1775 because it didn't display the Union flag and did display a "Liberty tree". [:D]

I think the UK has changed significantly in the last 30 years on the subject. Certainly my own experice of almost 30 years ago indicated it. This was 1983 (the year after the Falklands War) and along with an abundent display of Union flags, I encountered feirce patriotism. To the point of being loudly and firmly told off when I made the mistake of reffering to my classmates as "citizens". Or as Europeans. yet most Brits I talk to today call themselves both. [:)]

I tend to think of we "colonials" as simply being slower to change and more stubborn about it. [:D]

Ah yes. The Royal Navy. Just because they did it first doesn't mean I'm going to follow them [:'(]

I'm not going to call myself a citizen or a European. I'm English, not that it seems to count for much in today's culture.

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It's also interesting that the pledge is to the flag, not the constitution. (Any thoughts guys? And BTW , I'm not unpatriotic , only curious).[&:] [:)]

The whole world, not just you colonial types, seems awfully attached to flags considering they are just bits of fabric stitched together in nice patterns. If the most important thing you can find to pledge allegiance to is said bit of fabric then you're welcome to your country... On the same lines, I don't care if you burn a bit of fabric then go right ahead.


It's just a flag.

Actually , you need to examine your own history my friend. It was the RN that introduced the concept of "firing a volley for the honour of the flag". And many a local poetantate and "WOG" found himself on the wrong end of a volley if he didn't pay proper respect to the Union Jack. My former home town of Portland Maine (At the time, Falmouth) was shelled and levelled , burned to the ground by the RN in 1775 because it didn't display the Union flag and did display a "Liberty tree". [:D]

I think the UK has changed significantly in the last 30 years on the subject. Certainly my own experice of almost 30 years ago indicated it. This was 1983 (the year after the Falklands War) and along with an abundent display of Union flags, I encountered feirce patriotism. To the point of being loudly and firmly told off when I made the mistake of reffering to my classmates as "citizens". Or as Europeans. yet most Brits I talk to today call themselves both. [:)]

I tend to think of we "colonials" as simply being slower to change and more stubborn about it. [:D]

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Actually , you need to examine your own history my friend. It was the RN that introduced the concept of "firing a volley for the honour of the flag". And many a local poetantate and "WOG" found himself on the wrong end of a volley if he didn't pay proper respect to the Union Jack. My former home town of Portland Maine (At the time, Falmouth) was shelled and levelled , burned to the ground by the RN in 1775 because it didn't display the Union flag and did display a "Liberty tree". [:D]

I think the UK has changed significantly in the last 30 years on the subject. Certainly my own experice of almost 30 years ago indicated it. This was 1983 (the year after the Falklands War) and along with an abundent display of Union flags, I encountered feirce patriotism. To the point of being loudly and firmly told off when I made the mistake of reffering to my classmates as "citizens". Or as Europeans. yet most Brits I talk to today call themselves both. [:)]

I tend to think of we "colonials" as simply being slower to change and more stubborn about it. [:D]

Ah yes. The Royal Navy. Just because they did it first doesn't mean I'm going to follow them [:'(]

I'm not going to call myself a citizen or a European. I'm English, not that it seems to count for much in today's culture.

It should.

Out of curiousity , our children pledge allegegiance to the flag. (Probably cause they can't get their minds around taking an oath to the Constitution (as do our military, and appointees or elected officials). To what does the British military or government take their oath to? Still the monarch? [&:]

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Good afternoon everyone. I have been very busy and away from The Thread!!! for a bit... how is everyone doing on this fine day?

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Actually , you need to examine your own history my friend. It was the RN that introduced the concept of "firing a volley for the honour of the flag". And many a local poetantate and "WOG" found himself on the wrong end of a volley if he didn't pay proper respect to the Union Jack. My former home town of Portland Maine (At the time, Falmouth) was shelled and levelled , burned to the ground by the RN in 1775 because it didn't display the Union flag and did display a "Liberty tree". [:D]

I think the UK has changed significantly in the last 30 years on the subject. Certainly my own experice of almost 30 years ago indicated it. This was 1983 (the year after the Falklands War) and along with an abundent display of Union flags, I encountered feirce patriotism. To the point of being loudly and firmly told off when I made the mistake of reffering to my classmates as "citizens". Or as Europeans. yet most Brits I talk to today call themselves both. [:)]

I tend to think of we "colonials" as simply being slower to change and more stubborn about it. [:D]

Ah yes. The Royal Navy. Just because they did it first doesn't mean I'm going to follow them [:'(]

I'm not going to call myself a citizen or a European. I'm English, not that it seems to count for much in today's culture.

It should.

Out of curiousity , our children pledge allegegiance to the flag. (Probably cause they can't get their minds around taking an oath to the Constitution (as do our military, and appointees or elected officials). To what does the British military or government take their oath to? Still the monarch? [&:]

No, it really shouldn't. We're talking about an organisation which feels bell bottom trousers are a sensible form of attire for uniforms. One where they shout man overboard at someone walking on the grass and who go for a run ashore from a barrack block.


We still pledge allegiance to Liz and her family. Seeing as I found my Oath of Allegiance from day 01 in the RAF...

I Martin
swear by Almighty God
that I will be faithful and bear true
allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Second,
Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will as in
duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend
Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, in Person, Crown and
dignity against all enemies, and will observe and obey
all orders of Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors,
and of the Air Officers and other Officers
set over me

Still, that's 8 years ago now. Today's kids probably don't understand half of the words in there. [:D]

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What does "I" mean?

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What does the" mean?

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I've always been surprised that the pledge of allegiance is as popular as it is.

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None of you guys remembered my seventh anniversary. I has a sad now.[:(]