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warspite1 -> RE: What program/film/documentary are you watching now? (3/2/2017 5:22:43 AM)
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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
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ORIGINAL: Zorch
There may be as bias here in that people tend to underrate the one they see second...ask a social scientist.
I don't know if you're a horror movies fan (I am). Let's take the Japanese horror movie Ringu. Good stuff. I liked it.
Then I watched the American version, expecting nothing to be honest; well, I thought I'd be disappointed. Surprise, I prefered the second version. When I thought about it the reason was clear: scarier, more dense.
In a Wansee movie I want to see nazis meeting in cold january. In the second movie I see guys arguing in what could have perfectly been the British Foreign Office. Something is obviously wrong. Mise en scène, acting or whatever. I don't care.
warspite1
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Zorch: There may be as bias here in that people tend to underrate the one they see second...ask a social scientist.
a) I have no idea what a social scientist has to say about bias and second viewings, but I have laid out a personal opinion comparison of the two and clear reasons - whether right or wrong - why I believe one is the better version to watch. So I don't think I am exhibiting unthinking bias (or whatever it is they are getting at) - after all I have no axe to grind or reason to prefer one over the other - I just think as a piece of television one is better, as for acting talent, one is better (although the actors had more to play with) and as for historical accuracy, as said, I don't know but both versions got to where they needed - the HBO/BBC version just did it in a more interesting way.
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TulliusDetritus: I want to see nazis meeting in cold january......
I see guys arguing in what could have perfectly been the British Foreign Office.
b) You prefer the earlier version and that is fine, but as with the 'word for word i.e. plagiarism' comment, I do not understand the above - its almost as if you haven't watched Conspiracy.
What could the HBO/BBC production do more to show the meeting took place in 'cold January'? You have the attendees arriving in the snow, soldiers playing snowballs outside (and one earning a slap from Eichmann for the privilege) you have Heydrich landing his aircraft on snow covered ground. There is at least one roaring fire going on. And there are the obvious conversations about the failed attack on Moscow ("the Generals in the East are a disgrace") in the preliminaries. Yeah, I don't know about you but I kind of got the hint that it was January and yes - it was sehr seht kalt.
Not sure what the British Foreign Office looks like to you but many of the scenes in Conspiracy were filmed at the actual Wannsee location near Berlin. For all I know The Wannsee Conference was as well. The location was what it was - essentially a large conference table in an ordinary looking room (it was previously a residential house) - and I don't think either did a bad job from what my daughter tells me (she went there last year).
At the meeting in both versions many of the actors wore their SS or Brown Shirt uniforms - the civilians wore suits (the only difference was whether Stuckart wore his SS uniform (he had honorary rank) as in The Wannsee Conference or a suit as in Conspiracy). Needless to say there were enough SS and Party uniforms on show to make it clear - even without the actual dialogue - that this was not the British Foreign Office. Sorry but I don't get that comment.
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