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Agathosdaimon -> RE: What program/film/documentary are you watching now? (3/5/2018 10:06:23 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
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ORIGINAL: UP844
I have just bought "Fury" in DVD just to see a "live" Tiger, but in my opinion it is one of the worst war movies I ever saw.
Perhaps tracers looking like lightsabers or a tank spotting a camouflaged AT gun first and killing it with its first shot or the top view of the Tiger and the Sherman turning circles like they were in World of Tanks can only be noticed by die-hard ASL players (yes, I'm one). Perhaps.
But when Germans carrying lots of Panzerfausts (as they should this late in the war) forget them and start a banzai charge in the open against Brad Pitt (who will never be Lee Marvin [:D]) and his tank, my wife (who cannot tell a Tiger from a Panzer II) whispered "Why the Germans don't use their rocket launchers? They could easily run around the house and destroy the tank! Are they utter idiots?". [:D][:D][:D]
Not even in the old Hollywood movies from the '50s the German were so stupid.
What really made me angry (or better "furious") was the historical accuracy of vehicles and equipment was really good, wasted for such a bad movie!
No no nope. If you think Fury was bad, clearly-CLEARLY you have not seen: USS Indianapolis: Men of Courage. I couldn't even watch all of that one.
Re: Fury: I was 'meh' on it. Yeah, some of the special effects and tactical oversights bugged me, but they weren't movie-killing experiences. Kind of like Dunkirk I guess. Am I going to really get hung up about the seemingly infinite ammunition that Hardy's Spitfire had and how its flight trim out of fuel was totally unrealistic?
So with all the Experten ([8|]) that roll their eyes about this or that outcome of Fury, think about the big picture of the last scene:
Veteran tank crew of M4A3E8 Sherman lays ambush on a 'battalion' (probably just a reinforced company in reality) of troops in parade march on a sunken road. The Sherman lays astride the route of march and can fire all three MGs and the main gun into the troops as they march. The only possible egress for the troops in the road is a small farmhouse, which is easily fired.
German casualties are horrific. Eventually several waves of German troops overwhelm the tank's defenders and finish it off. Several German panzerfausts impact the tank, killing or injuring several crew. In the interim-before the Germans can meaningfully regroup-American reinforcements arrive to drive them back off of the crossroads.
That's about what I would have expected from a "10,000 foot" perspective.
the ending of Fury was just a bridge too far for my willing suspension of disbelief - if i recall the sherman was immobilised, and it was dark and there was smoke and fire all around it that would have made it hard to see germans clearly from certainly 50 plus meters, and impossible if they have some cover at all which there certainly was - it was as though it was just a computer game on a small map where teh germans were stopped by some invisible barrier or just taking a moderate berth even around the stuck tank to finish it off.
I dont mind unrealistic heroics in a war movie but i would have thought it would not have been that hard to contrive a scene where the tank crew had just a few more odds in their favor - like say how they set some traps in saving private ryan at the least.
did the germans have such a low sense of self-preservation that they would all just run at the front of the tank?
On anothe rnote, a series i am watching that i highly recommend is 'Babylon Berlin' on Netflix - a fantastic dark detective drama set in final years of the Weimar Republic - all the intrigues and the differing secretive political revolutionary factions against the cosmopolitan weimar culture, and all the while there is this subtle creep of anti-semitism and mentions of hitler, but no one is focussed on those at this time, rather it is all about stalinists, trotskyists, nationalists, conservatives, social democrats, pornography, sex, drugs, ww1 vets, clashes between police and communist groups and a blurring of ideological ambitions too. I think the actor playing Gereon Rath is top notch. i am interested now in reading the books its based on.
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