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Locarnus -> Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:42:43 PM)
Why do AI empires refuse to ente a Free Trade Agreement with me? I m humanoid, thy are insect for example, or haakonish or wekkarus or whatever. We share trade with each other (eg 3/4 of their trade are with me), we have positive relations (eg +20 or better), I have an ultra rare ressource and am willing to trade it with them. They still refusing to enter an FTA with me, which would give them quite a boost. Thats plain stupid of the AI...

ASHBERY76 -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:45:39 PM)
It is roleplaying A.I. If you want generic A.I's you can mod the races text and make them all the same if you want.

RooksBailey -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:50:14 PM)
I've had the same problem. Good relationship, good trade, but the AI won't agree to a FTA on my urging, but it WILL offer the same treaty back to me at some point. In fact, a campaign back or so, I offered a FTA and the AI refused. Then a second later, it offered the same treaty to me! [8\|] Seems a bit quirky.

ASHBERY76 -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:52:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RooksBailey I've had the same problem. Good relationship, good trade, but the AI won't agree to a FTA on my urging, but it WILL counter-offer the same treaty back to me. In fact, a campaign back or so, I offered a FTA and the AI refused. Then a second later, it offered the same treaty to me! [8\|] Seems a bit quirky. No as I said it is roleplaying the race type.You can change it all pretty easy. Dhayut 'Friendliness: friendliness level (normal = 100). This factor influences likelihood of forming treaties with other empires and general interaction with other empires Friendliness ;65

RooksBailey -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:53:51 PM)
Yeah, but that doesn't seem to explain why it would refuse my offer of a FTA but a literal second later it offers me the same treaty.

Locarnus -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:54:06 PM)
How is that roleplaying? Is it hardcoded that they will never enter a fta with me, or do I just have to bribe them into oblivion for it to happen? edit: Or rephrased, how does the "65 friendliness" work?

feelotraveller -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:58:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RooksBailey Yeah, but that doesn't seem to explain why it would refuse my offer of a FTA but a literal second later it offers me the same treaty. Maybe it had flagged 'treaty on table' when you offered even though the box hadn't popped up yet. Or maybe there is a potential bonus (for diplomatic characters) for the empire offering the treaty. Or...

ASHBERY76 -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 10:58:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Locarnus How is that roleplaying? Is it hardcoded that they will never enter a fta with me, or do I just have to bribe them into oblivion for it to happen? edit: Or rephrased, how does the "65 friendliness" work? If you want easy treatys like you get with the atuuk it would be 'Friendliness: friendliness level (normal = 100). This factor influences likelihood of forming treaties with other empires and general interaction with other empires Friendliness ;138

Canute0 -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/1/2011 11:15:07 PM)
+20 relationship isn't allways enough for a Free trade, try to get a bit more and the AI will offer the free trade to you.

Gelatinous Cube -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 12:44:16 AM)
It's never impossible to get agreements with the AI, but sometimes you have to work harder for it than you normally would in a 4x game. Which i find quite refreshing. For example, I started a game as the Gizureans on a small-ish map, and wound up sharing a cluster with the Zenox. They didn't even ask questions, they just declared war "We naturally dislike you -19" Of course, I took their only fresh colony, and blew up all their ships, and forced them into subjegation and slavery. I met a Zenox empire later in the game who also attacked me on sight, because by then I had a pretty significant slavery relations penalty.

Keston -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 12:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feelotraveller Or maybe there is a potential bonus (for diplomatic characters) for the empire offering the treaty. In diplomacy who gets the credit and political positioning issues are important (in other social contexts as well), though one would expect the other side to at least wait a week or so before proposing THEIR new idea.

WoodMan -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 2:20:40 AM)
In Legends I seem to recall a new feature being that diplomacy is planned ahead by the AI. If its an untrusty race, maybe it won't sign a treaty with you because that would boost your economy, and ultimately it plans to stab you in the back. Edit: But more likely +20 isn't enough for an unfriendly race to sign. quote: Thats plain stupid of the AI... Actually not signing treaty with everyone who asks is not stupid. It would be more intelligent to to sign treaties with those who are no threat and no competition to you. Signing treaties with the other superpowers may benefit your economy, but it might benefit theirs more, especially if they have a rare resource. The ideal situation would be to find which of the other superpowers who might challenge you for victory is having a spot of bother with another superpower, refuse to trade with them but trade with their rival. You've isolated their economy, now if war breaks out between the two its time to strike. [:D] Of course the AI doesn't think like this, but my point is its only beneficial to sign a treaty with someone who: a) isn't a threat or rival, (I'm not talking about your relationship, but their relative power compared to yours) b) won't benefit more from the treaty than you

J HG T -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 6:55:41 AM)
I've actually had AI empire suggest MDP with about +20 relationship. AIs tendency for treaties varies more in Legends and honestly makes much more sense most of the time. It was way too easy to spam FTAs and MDPs pre legends if you knew what you were doing. I personally like it how it is now.

MasterChief -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 4:41:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: J HG T I've actually had AI empire suggest MDP with about +20 relationship. AIs tendency for treaties varies more in Legends and honestly makes much more sense most of the time. It was way too easy to spam FTAs and MDPs pre legends if you knew what you were doing. I personally like it how it is now. Agree... seems more realistic to me. EXCEPT... I am puzzled when my neighbor, who I have a FTA with, refuses a MDP with me even though they are getting thier butts kicked in a war.

Locarnus -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 4:42:21 PM)
I m at 55+ relations now, still they refuse the fta... Their homeworld got hit by disasters, they should take any help/income they get, if they were halfway intelligent... Considering my trade with them was 400k+ and they have an ultra rare as well as me, that would bring their income back... [8\|] Its like "No, we will rather die of starvation than to have a mutually benefitial treaty with you, because we dont like you". A race that stupid would be extinct before it travels to the stars...

ASHBERY76 -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 4:47:40 PM)
I am happy that you cannot manipulate the whole galaxy to your agenda with ease like you could in DW pre Legends.

Erik Rutins -> RE: Free Trade Agreement (12/2/2011 5:04:49 PM)
Hi Locarnus, If you see something that doesn't make sense, feel free to upload a save file for us and we'll investigate. Regards, - Erik

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