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Schanilec -> Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 9:13:25 PM)

That the USS Long Island can only transport single engine aircraft.

Also Boyington can not transfer to a Marine unit only USAAF units.

Thanks in adavance.



dr.hal -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 9:17:42 PM)

when I transported even single engine a/c on the Hornet (added to the airgroup) the number jumped into the red BIG time. So I would say in relation to the LI, you are correct... but this can easily be tested... put into a transport tf, dock and try to load 2 engine a/c. IIRC, tonnage has something to do with it....



HansBolter -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 9:30:32 PM)

Since the LI is classified as a carrier (CVE or CVL can't remember which) and not an air transport ship (AKV) it is safe to assume that only single engine carrier capable plane can be deployed on it.

My question is why use it for air transport when it functions as a carrier? Place an understrength marine fighter squadron on it and use it to provide CAP over your replenishment CVE TFs since the replenishment CVEs can't conduct flight ops to cover themselves when thier air squadrons are filled to more than half capacity.

Can't answer about Pappy, just don't know.



spence -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 9:38:38 PM)

He probably had seen a picture like this. I know I saw a picture with some PV-1 Venturas being transported to somewhere in the Pacific but of course I can't find it now.

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dr.hal -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 10:00:24 PM)

I agree with the idea that it really is a flattop, and as the first escort type, it stands alone for quite some time. I would use it to provide air support not transport... there are LOTS of transports available and all too few CVEs (at least for the first year and more).....



awadley -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 11:21:47 PM)

Spence, those are P-38's with the wings removed and P-40's. I think this was common pratice during the early war. Only way to get the little guys to the outer islands. Also, I wish we could use the CVL and CVE's to carry plans in this fashion (overloaded and not combat ready).

PS: Boyington can not be changed from USAAF to USMC. this is per one of the developers



Mundy -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 11:50:50 PM)

Ha!


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bradfordkay -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/14/2011 11:57:36 PM)

"Also Boyington can not transfer to a Marine unit only USAAF units. "

I put him into a P-38 squadron with Richard Bong. It is my elite squadron that has many, many kills. Alas... Pappy was killed with only 9 kills to his credit...



spence -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 12:34:08 AM)

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Spence, those are P-38's with the wings removed and P-40's.


I know that they're P-38s especially after reading the caption. I made the comment about the PVs (2E bombers) because I have seen a photo showing them loaded onto a CVE as deck cargo. That photo was the first thing that came to mind when I read the original post; but as I said, when I went to search for it I couldn't find it.

(According to the caption for this one the single engine planes are P-47s and the others are P-38s with wings removed. It would almost seem that the USN occasionally cooperated with the USA.)



witpqs -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 12:50:58 AM)

Didn't see if this already has been posted. Single-engine planes (or maybe only fighters??) can be loaded onto a carrier. They can not operate from the carrier. They can fly off of the carrier to transfer to a land base (this is useful as you can fly to a base without getting too close to it). Also, they are considered to take up a lot more space than 'carrier capable' planes (not designed with things like folding wings, etc.).



wdolson -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 1:13:30 AM)

I don't recall doing it with AE, but back in the WitP days I was able to transport P-38s with CVEs and fly them off.  I believe CVs and CVEs can only carry carrier capable aircraft and non-capable fighters for fly off only.

Bill



jcjordan -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 4:28:02 AM)

As to Boyington, if you're talking about the AVG one, yes he can only go to army units since that is how he's defined in the db even though his pilot is linked to the USMC Boyington ldr (IIRC). You do get Boyington as a USMC ldr so he can lead vmf214 just not a pilot for the usmc.



crsutton -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 5:29:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: awadley

Spence, those are P-38's with the wings removed and P-40's. I think this was common pratice during the early war. Only way to get the little guys to the outer islands. Also, I wish we could use the CVL and CVE's to carry plans in this fashion (overloaded and not combat ready).

PS: Boyington can not be changed from USAAF to USMC. this is per one of the developers


You can. I just loaded 50 single engine aircraft onto a CVE. Not a problem but they will not fly combat missions when the ship is loaded up that much. Not sure if they can fly off. (Should not be able to with that load) but I will try it out.



HansBolter -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 12:11:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton


quote:

ORIGINAL: awadley

Spence, those are P-38's with the wings removed and P-40's. I think this was common pratice during the early war. Only way to get the little guys to the outer islands. Also, I wish we could use the CVL and CVE's to carry plans in this fashion (overloaded and not combat ready).

PS: Boyington can not be changed from USAAF to USMC. this is per one of the developers


You can. I just loaded 50 single engine aircraft onto a CVE. Not a problem but they will not fly combat missions when the ship is loaded up that much. Not sure if they can fly off. (Should not be able to with that load) but I will try it out.



It also makes me wonder how the replenishment CVEs can fly off replacements to the combat carriers when both thier squadrons are full or near full. The CVEs carry two squadrons, a fighter and a bomber, both with maximum sizes of 28 planes and the carriers themselves only have a capacity of 28 (can't remember if some of them have slightly higher capacities like 30 or 32).

With both squadrons full, how could there be sufficient deck space for launching the replacements for transfer to the combat carriers?



Schanilec -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 6:25:49 PM)

That is what I figured. Haven't tried P-38's. She's heading to L.A. right now for a little maintainence. Then back to aircraft ferrying. I'll give the P-38's a whirl.
I kinda thought Pappy had to stay in the USAAF, but I thought I'd ask. So I'll transfer him to a P-38 squadron. I like that idea of pairing him up with Dick Bong.
Thank everyone.



wdolson -> RE: Am I correct in thinking... (12/15/2011 10:53:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HansBolter
It also makes me wonder how the replenishment CVEs can fly off replacements to the combat carriers when both thier squadrons are full or near full. The CVEs carry two squadrons, a fighter and a bomber, both with maximum sizes of 28 planes and the carriers themselves only have a capacity of 28 (can't remember if some of them have slightly higher capacities like 30 or 32).

With both squadrons full, how could there be sufficient deck space for launching the replacements for transfer to the combat carriers?


US CVEs had catapults. It was the only way to get a loaded TBF off the deck.

Bill



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