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Orzel Bialy -> Poll Time Again.... (11/19/2002 9:47:40 AM)

Ok, I did this one once before....way back in April or May I think...and since that time a lot more people have registered as members. :)
Now, I know the Mega Campaigns cover certain areas...but none the less they are valid options...So Here's the Question:



Supervisor -> (11/19/2002 8:18:28 PM)

I voted for Western Europe because most WW2 games nowdays seem to focus on Eastern Europe.



Jim1954 -> (11/19/2002 11:24:45 PM)

I chose Norway and Italy.:)



Orzel Bialy -> The Pull of Ost Front.... (11/19/2002 11:37:39 PM)

is still strong. Even with LV's and the vast selection of add-on scenarios available out there....the Eastern Front is still getting a large portion of votes!
I guess people just can't get enough of the bloodletting that occured on the steppes of Russia.

Keep voting though! As I write France 1940/Western Europe 44-45/Italy 43-45 are all tied at 4 votes a piece!



RockinHarry -> (11/19/2002 11:44:45 PM)

I voted for France40, NWE 44/45, Balcans and Italy.

______
Harry



Jim1954 -> (11/19/2002 11:48:44 PM)

Orzel, does this mean a project of yours ,with the winner as the featured mini-campaign/monster scenario/ ? ,is in the near future? A mini campaign centered around Anzio might be interesting.

hint, hint :D :D



Orzel Bialy -> Well, Let's Say.... (11/19/2002 11:55:09 PM)

that the poll results could be used as a research resource. ;)

Now, whether it actually leads to scenario matter I can not say for sure...as I don't want to make promises I can't keep...but you never know. :D Right? ;)



Jim1954 -> (11/19/2002 11:57:08 PM)

You bet. I'm sure all the Raiders can come up with something good, you guys always do.



Orzel Bialy -> OK, I see hime online... (11/19/2002 11:58:03 PM)

where the Hell is Goblin's vote and message? :confused:
I know he wouldn't pass up an opportunity to say something on a thread of mine! ;)



challenge -> (11/20/2002 12:08:18 AM)

I think Greece and that part of the Med is left out a bit. And while there is a Mega about the DAK in North Africa, IMHO there is a shortage of interesting scenarios with all the varied terrain of the desert.



Orzel Bialy -> Challenge.... (11/20/2002 12:12:22 AM)

A valid point....I too have thought that Greece could foster a very good selection of scenarios, at least more than there are currently.

Ok then, keep on posting those thoughts and opinions. :)



Resisti -> (11/20/2002 12:20:51 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by challenge
[B]I think Greece and that part of the Med is left out a bit. And while there is a Mega about the DAK in North Africa, IMHO there is a shortage of interesting scenarios with all the varied terrain of the desert. [/B][/QUOTE]

Want a campaign in Greece? Go here: http://www.geocities.com/spumadacinque/spwawc1/itatwar.htm

Only problem is that is for spwaw 5.1 ...



Knife -> (11/20/2002 12:46:28 AM)

I voted Western Europe.

BUT One thing I would love to see is a WHAT IF? scenario/campaign focussed around what would happen if Hitler had managed to invade britain. That would be a really good campaign starting at the landings at Dover for instance.

If that was a Mega Campaign I would buy it as soon as it came out!!



challenge -> (11/20/2002 1:08:43 AM)

I saw an AAR about a mini campaign someone did on the invasion of Britain. I was tied up with other things at the time so I didn't down load it. If anyone knows who. what, where, could you please post the information? Great gratitude for this.



Orzel Bialy -> 40 Votes and Counting.... (11/20/2002 2:46:52 AM)

and so far Western Europe leads in the poll...with France, The Balkans and Italy close behind!

Ok...back to the voting. :)

For those of our "Guests" who are not just "un-signed in members"...take the time to register with the Forum and get involved! After all, we can't get a better picture of what people want if we don't hear from you! ;)



Tankhead -> (11/20/2002 2:54:41 AM)

Italy for me



Don Doom -> (11/20/2002 4:38:20 AM)

poland,balkens, italy.:D



Orzel Bialy -> Italy takes the lead... (11/20/2002 9:32:44 PM)

interesting... :)

Ok, 54 votes....I think the last one maxed out at 60-65...so I'll bump this up one more time for visibility and go from there. ;)



Brutto-Bob -> To Resisti and Orzel Bialdy (11/20/2002 10:19:59 PM)

Ciao,

I have noticed that my campaign: 'Italians at war' was converted by someone in H2H format.

It is in the November2002 H2H download at the Redleg's Dirty Dozen web site.

I've voted for France 40, I like to play with minor countries, so I hope that someone does campaigns where the player can control: France, Italy, Finland, Hungary and so on...



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (11/21/2002 6:36:29 AM)

Is this a trick question?

Is this where do we need more attention with Seel Panthers?

Is this where should a new MC be made for (considering I don't expect to ever see another MC what's the point).?

Or is this a generalised wargaming question.

For Steel Panthers I have not found any region lacking.

In a Generalised wargaming area though, I want more attention maybe for the fighting in Italy.



Orzel Bialy -> Sometimes you slay me Les... (11/21/2002 7:44:59 AM)

lol :D

Not a trick question...I think you may have read a bit too much into the poll quite frankly. ;)

I simply am running the poll to get an idea of where the interests of my fellow SPWAWer's lay.
Call it a form of research. :) I am looking for data to utilize when the need arises to have possible scenario material at hand. So, what better way to find out what people would like to see more of than to simply ask them? ;)

So, I guess you can just look at it as a "general question".



Orzel Bialy -> can the poll make 70-75??? (11/21/2002 9:20:40 PM)

Almost there...and I'm looking to beat the #'s of the last poll. The results are giving me an idea or two already... ;)

So Bump! :p



Jim1954 -> (11/21/2002 9:41:41 PM)

Audie Murphy rides again, eh?

:D



Resisti -> (11/21/2002 11:00:52 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim1954
[B]Audie Murphy rides again, eh?

:D [/B][/QUOTE]

True, that "to hell and back" is a...hell of a good book, lol



Jim1954 -> (11/22/2002 1:01:24 AM)

Tis a goodun'. I wonder what his ratings will be if it's ever done.

:D



Irinami -> (11/22/2002 5:20:46 AM)

Pre-WW2:

Russian Civil War.
Russo-Japanese War, with the Whites vs. The Reds vs. The Japanese vs. The US (in/around Vladivostok). Read about that in, I think, "Military History" magazine.

Europe: '39-40

I'd love to do more Poland stuff. Poland vs. the Russians? Poland vs. the Germans?

Balkans:

I have no idea what went on here, but I know some serious shiznitz went down.

Asian Mainland:

ChiComs vs. Kuomindang vs. Imperial Japan.

In general, more campaigns that allow you to deviate from history. Dammit, if my actions would have made a difference, I want them to. And dammit, if your design paradigm is that the player's successes (and failures) are indicative of the entire military's, then for example if I'm Poland and I annihilate the German advance, I'd better not be forced back to Krakow just because "That's what came next in history." If I'm Tojo and I get my butt handed to me in the Phillipines, I'd better have a tough going of it all over--what with the US and their allies having that Area of Ops secured.

I hate being railroaded into a plot in my RPG's, and I consider wargaming to be an RPG: I'm Playing the Role of commander in the Game.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (11/22/2002 10:29:48 AM)

It's a curse Irinami, you might as well get used to it. At the tactical level you are not running the "big picture".

In my last Long Campaign in Steel Panthers I did so well it would have been more fun if I had been handed my butt a few times to relieve the boredom.
43 battles and 40 of them decisive wins. I went through Stalingrad easier than I went through Poland in 39.

But in the bigger grand strategy scope games, if they don't model aaaaaaany historical conditions, then you are just not playing a WW2 game during the time period in question.

The only way to get pure satisfaction is with games like Victory the Blocks of War. Its Red vs Blue. No messy historical basis to mess up your game. If your strategy sucks, you get treated to a trashing by your opponent.

I passed on getting Strategic Command for just that reason. The game spends to much time fussing on details, and then throws away historical realism. You end up with a game that tries to do it half way, and pretend you can have a 100% experience.



Irinami -> (11/22/2002 10:51:14 AM)

I may not be running the big picture, but if I regularly grind up divisions in ten minutes (not that my tactics can, but as a purposely exaggerated example), I think the enemy is going to have some particular manpower and machinery shortages. Taken on it's own, that might not affect the war a whole lot. You go home a day earlier, whuppee. But if the designer (the original arbitrer of what their campaign means) decides the player's actions are indicative of the results of similar units...

Well if every Bde. on one side were accounting for a division of the opponent, then there ought well be a different outcome. That's something I liked about Panzer General. You could avoid certain disasters if you made a great accounting for your unit (which I believe was assumed to be exemplary of all the units in the Wermacht). Unlike other games, if you were annihilating the enemy at every turn, you would not be driven back to Berlin... instead you may even lead the assault on D.C.

All hanging, of course, on whether the player's units' actions are considered exemplary of other similar units on their side or not.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (11/22/2002 12:14:01 PM)

I remember one game I played.

I was attacking Poland. And the Poles sent more armour at me in one fight than the nation actually owned.

Naturally I was a bit annoyed.

In grand strategy the force pools are more or less limited in board games, but in computer games you get the sort of lunacy that is currently the cause of beefs for some of the Strategic Command crowd.

In tactical up to operational, if the unit dies, you are out a unit.

In Steel Panthers if you waste all their tanks and don't get a scratch, there should be repercussions. If this is done several times, the other side is facing a disaster.

This is the same as an operational games seeing them lose a few good units and you not.
At the grand strategy level this is called a breakthrough.
Breakthroughs in grand strategy cause serious results.

I have seen some really awesome upsets in higher echelon games.

There are repercussions.

For a game to not allow repercussions is therefore ill advised.



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