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aagenbag2 -> Trying to figure out supply (3/3/2012 10:14:26 PM)

I'm brand new to the wargaming hobby, and brand new to TOAW... and hoping someone can help me with a very specific question on supply:

I understand how supply propagates around theh map. What I don't understand is how the supply number on the map impacts my unit's supply.

For example, I am playing the Allies in the Kasserine 43 scenario:
I have a unit with 80% supply on a hex with supply of "10". The unit did not move recently (so no 33% penalty) and is not near to its HQ (so no 50% bonus). I would think that this means the unit's supply will grow from 80% to 80% + 10 = 90%. However, it only goes up to 84%. So, why does the supply level grow only by 4% and not 10%? Is this due to the formation supply distribution efficiency? If so, where can I see what the formation supply distribution efficiency is (I just want to see that everything adds up!).

Thanks in advance!

Andre



Nebukadnezar -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/4/2012 3:55:42 AM)

Supply that your unit will receive =

Hexsupply
* 2/3 (it's a constant)
* 3/2 if a cooperative HQ is adjacent
* 2/3 if the unit has moved
* 3/2 if a cooperative supply unit is adjacent
* formation supply efficiency (visible in 'formation report')

Can be lowered by interdiction and night turns



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/4/2012 9:16:09 AM)

Andre,

have a look at the Tutorial '41 scenario I posted at the Gefechtsstand, including slides, for an overview of the basic TOAW mechanisms.

Klink, Oberst



1st Sgt Tnic -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 5:00:45 AM)

I'm a little confused (ok, I'm VERY confused) over this supply issue as well.

I'm tinkering with the Italy 43 scenario. Every thing was going fine supply wise until I abandoned my original start point as I pushed north to Rome. I captured a new anchorage/objective with the flag thingie and I have an unbroken LOC from there to my point troops, but they seem to be "starving to death".

My first Q is; What do these Supply Points look like and how do I ID them?

#2. Do we only get one Supply Point from which all goodies flow out to the troops?

TIA mates.



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 6:18:47 AM)

Andre,

it is pivotal to read the scenario description and the document the scenario designer supplied with it. There you can see where the supply points, events, etc. are. I also suggest to get the scenario viewer from Andy *see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.edmiston/toawviewer.htm* and/or dump the scenario file as .txt. It also depends on what version, supply, etc. you are playing. Most pre-3.4 scenarios should be updated; especially the AD and MRPB settings *see http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3045873*

For this scenario I'd suggest an AD of 9 and an MRPB of 3.

Klink, Oberst

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Ammendmend: Refer to a collection of beginner's documents at http://sites.google.com/site/toawredux/Home/toaw-articles



aagenbag2 -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 6:48:53 AM)

Thanks all - this is useful stuff!

Any thoughts on a good document that describes the mechanics in detail? Most of the beginners-guides I have seen try to explain the game in a simple way, which I suppose is good. But by glossing over some of the details, it just confuses me more! I'm looking for a 200 page document that describes it all in detail! Any recommendations?

Andre



1st Sgt Tnic -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 8:29:14 AM)

Thanks again Herr Oberst! [&o]

Those noob docs are pure gold and already some of my personal fog has lifted.

I def need to remember to read the scenario notes BEFORE I dive in.

EDIT: The Viewer link is busted somewhere. I get the could not be found message.



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 2:46:04 PM)

You can also open the scenario in the editor and run a scenario dump. They are usually quite large, but once opened you can 'Ctrl-F' and search for 'Supply Points' in order to view them. Cut and Paste them into a new document for easy reference.



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 3:29:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 1st Sgt Tnic

Thanks again Herr Oberst! [&o]

Those noob docs are pure gold and already some of my personal fog has lifted.

I def need to remember to read the scenario notes BEFORE I dive in.

EDIT: The Viewer link is busted somewhere. I get the could not be found message.

Tim,

email me and I will send the file(s). The link works fine here... perhaps the f*ds deny access to Royal British sites already? ;)

Klink, Oberst

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1st Sgt Tnic -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 5:39:33 PM)

quote:

...perhaps the f*ds deny access to Royal British sites already? ;)


I think we're both in the land of salo & vodka, da? Maybe Yano finally went over the edge?



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/5/2012 8:27:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 1st Sgt Tnic

quote:

...perhaps the f*ds deny access to Royal British sites already? ;)


I think we're both in the land of salo & vodka, da? Maybe Yano finally went over the edge?

Don't tell me you're TEFL'ing in Kiev or else in Ukrainja? Done my stint 5 years ago at IH there :D

Klink, Oberst
(reporting from the isle of Suvla and Ouzo)



1st Sgt Tnic -> RE: Trying to figure out supply (3/6/2012 4:19:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink


quote:

ORIGINAL: 1st Sgt Tnic

quote:

...perhaps the f*ds deny access to Royal British sites already? ;)


I think we're both in the land of salo & vodka, da? Maybe Yano finally went over the edge?

Don't tell me you're TEFL'ing in Kiev or else in Ukrainja? Done my stint 5 years ago at IH there :D

Klink, Oberst
(reporting from the isle of Suvla and Ouzo)


Oh Gawd no! Teaching would take too much time away from TOAW. I'm a retired gentleman of leisure in Krym, living with my Hot Redhead and working on PR.




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