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ORIGINAL: IronDuke


I've just started turn 7 and I am showing (before moving a single piece) 20000+ losses, am I right that these are the effects of the attrition rules during my general logistics phase?

They are impact of front line attrition and also logistics checks on damaged units that may destroy or fix them.

Am i also right in thinking that half of these losses will return to the manpower pool in the logistics phase of the next turn? (The other half are KIA?)

Some of these men are disabled. Depends on what caused the loss. Somewhere in the manual it lists what percentage of units lost are disabled, etc. depending on reason for them being destroyed or sent back to the pool. Someone should pull together all the various numbers as I'm sure many would be interested.

Am I also right in thinking that a similiar hit will strike my opponent after my turn has ended and the Soviet turn begins with the Soviet player general logistics phase when his units attrit?

Yes, but you won't see it, because of when the current and turn losses are zeroed out (right after the logistics phase after first viewing of losses screen).

Sorry if these are newbie questions, but I am getting back into this after a year out and want to try and understand whether my losses are going to be prohibitive or not.

Is the real loss figure KIA + Captured?

Those are real permanent losses, but disabled come back very slowly. There are also casualties that happen that never show up as a loss in the permanent totals because these are men that went back to the transit pool but will be available fairly quickly (unlike disabled that return slowly). Some make the mistake of thinking that permanent losses (kia, captured, disabled) equals total casualties and this can be compared to historical casualty totals. This is incorrect. There are many casualties that are men leaving units and going to the transit pool which are not listed in the permanent losses.

Of the 120000 I have disabled, how many will return to the manpower pool and when? (Assuming all units disengaged and did no fighting, so additions
to the disabled pool were minimal if any - just for example's sake) would the entire pool return to duty eventually (or would everyone minus a certain % considered too badly injured?)

For the Axis, 1% will return each turn (split by country, see 21.1.10.1 in the manual). For the Soviets, starting with version 1.05.18, it is only 1/2% per turn.

What are good and bad losses for the start of turn 7 AXIS?

Regards,
ID

Any help much appreciated.

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ORIGINAL: IronDuke


One other thing. I can see that refit replacements go to refit units and normal replacements go to anyone else, but why are men returned to the manpower pool in both segments?

I'm not 100% sure, but there are at least two possibilities. First, when a unit changes TOE, it can send back some elements that are no longer needed. Second, each turn, 1/2 of the damaged elements of non-isolated units return to the pool. The manual in section 18.2.1 says "All other things being equal, returning ground elements have a better chance of going back to their original units." My guess is that one or both of the above losing of elements from a unit happens at the same time the unit is checking to see what replacements it's going to receive. So refitting units send back units in the refit phase, and non-refitting units send them back in the normal phase. This is just a guess and would make some sense given what all of this shuffling is supposed to represent (men and equipment lightly wounded or lightly damaged that would return fairly quickly to the unit they came from, or weapon upgrades that would come into a unit where the men would stay but the equipment would change out).

Also, in the expanded table that shows since one of the patches, it seems to show a "+" number but a different "-" (minus) number returned to the pool. What am I seeing here? (Apart from a glimpse of my own lack of common sense and intelligence on this aspect of the game?)

Many thanks for any help offered.

Regards,
ID

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What are good and bad losses for the start of turn 7 AXIS?