RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (Full Version)

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 12:28:40 AM)

quote:

randallw

Saper has gone a little crazy with the regimental breakdowns, hmm?



They are pretty tempting target of my counter-attacks, but it proves poisoned chalice - I commit few divisions and next turn he swallows then plus some other too.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 3:39:04 PM)

T4 north (Soviet)


I managed to open corridor to encircled units hence prolonged their existence by one turn.


Other units were withdrawn to next defensive line.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 3:42:11 PM)

T4 centre (Soviet)


I keep strengthening my positions across land-bridge. They look relatively secure, but my flanks are very weak and it terrifies me.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 3:45:19 PM)

T4 south (Soviet)


It is busies area of the front. My situation is not good, because I lost plenty of troops plus not to many reinforcements were sent there.


I somehow managed to re-establish connection to eastern pocket. I hope it will give me enough time to build trenches.



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smokindave34 -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:07:14 PM)

Nice job opening up the pocket near Pskov - that will buy you at least another turn for the defenders of Leningrad to dig in.

The SW front's defense of the Dnepr is very weak (no forts). I'd send any reinforcements in the south to dig in along the Sula/Uday rivers while you guard the Dnepr as it won't be long before the axis is across the Dnepr and you will need some fixed line to fall back to (although sadly you may not have enough time....). Also - get the T-34's out of Kharkov quickly since it will soon be under threat.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:22:50 PM)

All non-armament factories are withdrawn transporting only 1 element (size), so all tanks from Leningrad and Kharkov are safe.



hfarrish -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:42:15 PM)

You might try to get your strongest infantry units in the river bends as well, since he most likely to force a crossing there...



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:48:47 PM)

quote:

hfarrish

You might try to get your strongest infantry units in the river bends as well, since he most likely to force a crossing there...




I will try, but in the south I lost my best troops already.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:53:36 PM)

T5 north and centre (German)



Well, well, well. It could be cruical turn.


As it could have been predicted my units east of Pskov were once again surrounded. Unfortunately my opponent didn't follow regular path of advance and turned his attention east, pushing deep enough to outflank my land-bridge positions.

He got one bridgehead across Dnepr but it is of secondary importance, since I am not going to stay there any longer.


Overall situation is rapidly deteriorating.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 5:58:56 PM)

T5 south (German)


Not much happened here, so I guess it is calm before the storm.


One pocket is being reduced, second was re-established.

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Callistrid -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 6:26:36 PM)

You are loosing to much divisions Kamil.
In your side I'm start retreating back from the rivers, and send the 30-40 % of the southern forces to Moscow area.
Allways keep the distance between the german infantry and your forces. 3-4 spaces could be enough.

And stop sacrificing more strong divisions breaking the encircle line. It's a bad idea.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 6:32:29 PM)

quote:

Callistrid

You are loosing to much divisions Kamil.
In your side I'm start retreating back from the rivers, and send the 30-40 % of the southern forces to Moscow area.
Allways keep the distance between the german infantry and your forces. 3-4 spaces could be enough.




I know. To certain extend it is consequence of his good opening in the south and two successive pockets there - he created them without infantry in situation I evaluated as a safe one.

One mistake leas to another ...



Callistrid -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 6:38:21 PM)

Can you encircle, and hold the encirclement around Velkie Luke?
I belive the german is to far from his supply lines, and he can't HQ build up with his forces.
However, you need to try to building a strong defense line around Moscow. The south is not important. A big distance will protect ou against the german.

And try to keep your mountainer divisions alive. They are good holding Moscow for example. During the winter turns 50+ morale mt div can have 7-9 CV plus shock army....



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 6:53:16 PM)

quote:

Callistrid

I belive the german is to far from his supply lines, and he can't HQ build up with his forces.



I am not sure about it any more. My idea of defence was based on idea of low German mobility during turns 4-6, but he is managing his supplies better than I though he would be.





Callistrid -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 7:02:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kamil

quote:

Callistrid

I belive the german is to far from his supply lines, and he can't HQ build up with his forces.



I am not sure about it any more. My idea of defence was based on idea of low German mobility during turns 4-6, but he is managing his supplies better than I though he would be.





It's impossible.

Only on T06 can the AGN rail line cross the Baltic state - Soviet borders. Right now that line is far.
The same problem on the Center to. The rail line can't be closer then Minsk. South the same problem.

I belive on the next 2 turn will be enough just to retreat 3 hex keeping the distance from the german infantry. And build the fortification around Moscow and Leningrad. And a nother advise: the Luga line msut be weak on the western part.




KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 7:14:04 PM)

T5 north and centre (Soviet)



Retreat and establishing new defensive positions is priority.


River Dnepr is lost, so it is time to fall back to forested area west of Rzhev and Vyazma.



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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 7:15:50 PM)

T5 south (Soviet)


No fighting only retreating now. Plan is to withdrawn industry and then melt away in steppe.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 7:38:56 PM)

T6 north and centre (German)


Doom is definitely approaching, and I haven't seen it coming.


My defences were weak, but I put my faith cost of advancing in unfavourable terrain, hoping it will slow Germans enough. I was wrong.


Northwest Front ceased to exist.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 7:41:31 PM)

T6 south (German)


No action here, but soon with arrival of German infantry things will get interesting again.

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sillyflower -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 10:58:54 PM)

Trying to free pockets can be a mistake. In 'freeing' pskov pocket for 1 turn, you lost 3 more divs surrounded the next turn. This is not good maths but a common fault with russian players. [sm=fighting0056.gif]

A very natural mistake to make though.....



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/17/2012 11:05:16 PM)

quote:

sillyflower


Trying to free pockets can be a mistake. In 'freeing' pskov pocket for 1 turn, you lost 3 more divs surrounded the next turn.



I consider loosing 3 extra divisions for slowing advance to 2 hexes good bargain.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/18/2012 5:06:58 PM)

T6 north and centre (Soviet)


I somehow managed to open corridor to my troops encircled in marshes.

Whole front was moved north and east to face panzers and withdrawn from reach of German infantry.



Thing I need to point out - neither of encirclements was created using infantry. These were always armoured formations moving most very often within my ZOCs.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/18/2012 5:10:18 PM)

T6 south (Soviet)


I walking on thin ice here. My defences are shallow and he was resting his tanks for at least turn, but I am taking the risk. Assuming he has used up his AP north I decided to guard the river for one more turn and then run away east.

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Flaviusx -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/18/2012 5:11:05 PM)

Kamil, tbh, I think the Axis made a mistake here (the first one I've seen in this game) trying to bag NW Front. He's now committed to a push in this direction with a bunch of broken down and unsupported mobile regiments in very nasty terrain and is giving Leningrad a free ride. The best approach to Leningrad has always been the direct drive to the Neva, these wide flanking maneuvers south of lake Ilmen strike me as extremely chancy and ultimately make it difficult to disengage PG4 in good time to hit Moscow. The longer you can draw out Leningrad, the less likely Moscow will fall in 41.






KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/18/2012 6:20:16 PM)

I am not so sure if it was mistake. He bagged so many units I don't have enough reserves to created decent fall-back line. So if he breaches my defences his advance will be so fast he will make up for lost time.



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/22/2012 6:23:40 PM)

T7 north (German)


Ring of encirclement around poor divisions of NW Front is re-establish again. Heroic defence was not enough.

I am practically left without units. Situation is very very bad.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/22/2012 6:27:22 PM)

T7 centre (German)


Reserve Front was dragged so far north that Western Front had to be spread out to cover its previous positions, what left me with defences that completely lack depth. Withdrawal is only option.

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KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/22/2012 6:32:11 PM)

T7 south (German)


Fortunately my fears didn't materialise, and my southern forces were not annihilated. Crossing river Dnepr was all my opponent has done during that turn.

Considering amount of panzer forces gathered in close proximity of bridge-head my current position needs to be abandoned.

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Jajusha -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/22/2012 6:57:18 PM)

Alot of panzers in the middle of awfull panzer terrain in AGN. Infantry is holding the line to Leningrad with brigades, he might be going all in for moscow...



KamilS -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (4/22/2012 7:00:29 PM)

T7 north (Soviet)


Fate of surrounded division is sealed. I hope he won't change direction of advance and will try to get Leningrad via back door. It will give me opportunity to stop him for a while - good defensive terrain plus narrow path of advance.

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