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Empire101 -> Land of The Giants ( A WPO Scenario: Empire101 (J) vs Historiker (A) ) (4/12/2012 10:24:52 PM)

Historiker and myself have decided to play War Plan Orange, and use this as joint AAR as its just for fun.

We are playing the 'SuperDreadnought' PBEM Scenario.

FOW: ON

Submarine Doctrines: OFF ( as its ahistorical anyway )

Advanced Weather Effect: ON

Automated First Turn.

PDU: OFF

Auto Subs: OFF

Turn Cycle : 1

Reinforcements: FIXED

As long as no one has any objections to us posting our AAR here,
we both thought it could be alot of fun. ( the WPO Forum is a vast echoing hall of emptiness... or so it seems!!)



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 2:50:12 PM)

With the Washington Conference doomed, war was a
very definite possibility. Like the powder keg
of Europe in the 1910's it was only a matter of
time before it exploded. In March, 1922, the
Japanese officially suspended negotiations with
the United States.

On May 30, 1926, the Japanese issued a letter to
the American government officially declaring a
"State of war". While the Japanese did not
declare war on any other nation, the British
begin to deploy forces to India to protect
Commonwealth Interests.

Unlike the Americans, the Japanese navy is
concentrated in the Pacific. However, in
terms of battleships the bulk of the fleet
consists of predreadnoughts and coast
defense battleships. However, all of Japan's
dreadnoughts are modern, and all except the
Settsu have 35cm or 41cm guns, unlike the
American 12 inch gunned ships.

As the Supreme Japanese commander, you have
one main goal. Seize the Philippine islands,
set up a convoy route, and entrench. When the
American fleet approaches Manila, you can either
fall back and let the enemy blockade, or you
can move to intercept and attempt to destroy
the American fleet in a grand naval battle.
Also, as the Japanese commander, if you wish
you may invade China, the Dutch East Indies,
or French Indo China. The choice is yours,
and the path is yours.


(Designers note: Production is off in all WPO scenarios)

Well this is my overall strategic briefing at the start of the game, and to be honest its a bit vague, but orders are orders!!

The game has now started, and it is really like going back in time, in more ways than one. Not only is the technology less effective ( most planes have a range of 1 hex[:(] ), but going back to the old WitP map, game and general way of doing things, was a bit of a culture shock after AE.

Anyway here is a map of the Phillipines in WPO.


I checked around all the usual suspects, and found several units prep'd for Manila, so they are going to follow the landings at (...censored... ).
My initial objective is to take and hold the Phillippines, but there will also be three or four 'suprise' strikes on the map to hopefully keep Historiker off balance.

[image]local://upfiles/29250/72BAE5FD7DC046798B0EF16CB8E85245.jpg[/image]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 2:54:10 PM)

Here is a typical Japanese BB of the Dreadnought era, the Mutsu, a most formidable weapon by the look of her stats!!

[image]local://upfiles/29250/517384326EC84633A406D988D790F150.jpg[/image]



obvert -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 2:55:03 PM)

I remember when I first saw the AE map, I thought it was really garish and not as nice as the WITP map. I can't imagine having to use that again now!

This should be fun. I mean occasionally at least!

Do any of your planes have the ability to kill a ship should you actually get close enough to use one?



Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 2:56:38 PM)

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 3:03:29 PM)

I am hoping to launch a major offensive on the Asian mainland.

The 'Great Manchurian Adventure', will hopefully become an interesting sub-plot in the game.

At the moment the Japanese only hold Port Arthur....so there is alot of work to be done if this 'Expedition' is to be a success.

At the start of the scenario, no units were loaded so it will take a few days for the transports to load and get on their way.....why this was'nt set up at the start of the scenario is beyond me!?


So all quiet ( so far ), as both sides organise and marshall their forces....I think its going to be a bumpy ride!!

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Mike Solli -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 3:07:06 PM)

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Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 3:36:48 PM)

The only weak side is the lack of aerial recon. But I love the big guns and almost conviced mike in our AE gmae that I'm allowed to add two additional Yamatos to the DB. Without serious aerial threat, I will show my teeth...


Anglo-French Consultations:
After Japan had cancelled the alliance with GB, the Japanese declaration of war on the US increased the tensions in Asia.
The French President met with the King George V. and Prime Minister for consultations today. Both sides reasured each other that the Entente cordiale still counts. In a public statement, both governments announced their deep concerns about the asiatic crisis and that both goverments won't accept any Japanese dominance of Asia. Both armies will coordinate their defences and the french fleet will join the Royal Navy in the defense of the European Colonial empires.

Joint Statement of the Dominion's goverments
The dominion's goverments declare publicly their deep concern about the Japanese aggression. Feeling threatened directly, they will consider an attack on one part of the Empire as an attack on all of the empire. The Australian and the New Zealand's government ordered their armed forces to combine and prepare for any Japanese aggression.



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 3:59:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

The only weak side is the lack of aerial recon. But I love the big guns and almost conviced mike in our AE gmae that I'm allowed to add two additional Yamatos to the DB. Without serious aerial threat, I will show my teeth...


Anglo-French Consultations:
After Japan had cancelled the alliance with GB, the Japanese declaration of war on the US increased the tensions in Asia.
The French President met with the King George V. and Prime Minister for consultations today. Both sides reasured each other that the Entente cordiale still counts. In a public statement, both governments announced their deep concerns about the asiatic crisis and that both goverments won't accept any Japanese dominance of Asia. Both armies will coordinate their defences and the french fleet will join the Royal Navy in the defense of the European Colonial empires.

Joint Statement of the Dominion's goverments
The dominion's goverments declare publicly their deep concern about the Japanese aggression. Feeling threatened directly, they will consider an attack on one part of the Empire as an attack on all of the empire. The Australian and the New Zealand's government ordered their armed forces to combine and prepare for any Japanese aggression.


Japan, under Prime Minister Ōkuma Shigenobu and Foreign Minister Katō Takaaki, have drafted the initial list of Twenty-One Demands, which have been reviewed by the genrō and Emperor Taishō, and approved by the Diet.

This list was presented to Yuan Shikai on June 1, 1926, with warnings of dire consequences if China were to reject.

The Twenty One Demands have been divided into five groups:

Group 1 confirms Japan's recent acquisitions in Shandong Province, and expands Japan's sphere of influence over the railways, coasts and major cities of the province.

Group 2 pertains to Japan's South Manchuria Railway Zone, extending the leasehold over the territory into the twenty-first century, and expanding Japan's sphere of influence in southern Manchuria and eastern Inner Mongolia, to include rights of settlement and extraterritoriality, appointment of financial and administrative officials to the government and priority for Japanese investments in those areas.

Group 3 will give Japan control of the Hanyeping mining and metallurgical complex, already deep in debt to Japan.

Group 4 bars China from giving any further coastal or island concessions to foreign powers except for Japan.

Group 5 contains a miscellaneous set of demands, ranging from Japanese advisors appointed to the Chinese central government and to administer the Chinese police force (which will severely intrude on Chinese sovereignty) to allowing Japanese Buddhist preachers to conduct missionary activities in China.





[image]local://upfiles/29250/A326537DBF094B47AFFEC42659309588.jpg[/image]
Ōkuma Shigenobu.

No reply has been received from the Chinese Government,
and so, I regret to inform you,.... a state of War now exists between Imperial Japan and China.



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:07:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker



Anglo-French Consultations:
After Japan had cancelled the alliance with GB, the Japanese declaration of war on the US increased the tensions in Asia.
The French President met with the King George V. and Prime Minister for consultations today. Both sides reasured each other that the Entente cordiale still counts. In a public statement, both governments announced their deep concerns about the asiatic crisis and that both goverments won't accept any Japanese dominance of Asia. Both armies will coordinate their defences and the french fleet will join the Royal Navy in the defense of the European Colonial empires.

Joint Statement of the Dominion's goverments
The dominion's goverments declare publicly their deep concern about the Japanese aggression. Feeling threatened directly, they will consider an attack on one part of the Empire as an attack on all of the empire. The Australian and the New Zealand's government ordered their armed forces to combine and prepare for any Japanese aggression.


Reuters Latest......In reply to this unparalleled act of Western Aggression, the Imperial Japanese Empire has no option but to leave the League of Nations......End Message.

The Far Eastern War Cloud spreads its shadow.



Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:16:11 PM)

Entente Cordiale
The governments of the British Empire and of France guarantee China's independence and will react appropriatly should China's independence be endangered.

Dutch Goverment
The Kingdom of the Netherlands insists on it's independence and will accept no violation of her rights. To protect the Dutch independence, the Nederlandse Krijgsmacht declares a zone of neutrality which will be defended by force.
The zone's borders will be from Sinkep Island to Singkawang and the line from Tarakan to Hollandia.

Chinese Republic
Feeling asured by the Entente, despite the lack of any promised assistance, the Chinese defy those Japanese colonial ambitions. Japan will be curshed, should it dare to attack the great chinese civilization.



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:31:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Entente Cordiale
The governments of the British Empire and of France guarantee China's independence and will react appropriatly should China's independence be endangered.

Dutch Goverment
The Kingdom of the Netherlands insists on it's independence and will accept no violation of her rights. To protect the Dutch independence, the Nederlandse Krijgsmacht declares a zone of neutrality which will be defended by force.
The zone's borders will be from Sinkep Island to Singkawang and the line from Tarakan to Hollandia.

Chinese Republic
Feeling asured by the Entente, despite the lack of any promised assistance, the Chinese defy those Japanese colonial ambitions. Japan will be curshed, should it dare to attack the great chinese civilization.


From The Imperial Palace:

In a Statement to the Tokyo Express, Takaaki Kato expressed his deep concern that China was deeply embroiled in a Pan Western Conspiracy to subjugate and enslave the Asian races.

This will not be tolerated anymore, he stated. He also roundly condemned the Dutch government, and in reply to their threats stated;
'No line can be drawn in the sea to halt Imperial Japanese colonial ambitions.....they will live to regret siding with the British and American aggressors.'

As for China threatening to 'cursh' the Imperial Japanese Empire, the gauntlet has been thrown down!!!!



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Takaaki Kato at the Palace.



Mike Solli -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:36:37 PM)

You'd make a great politician! We getting to the war anytime soon? [:D]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:37:31 PM)

Japan mobilises for the great struggle.

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Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:37:58 PM)

[:D]
Indeed, he's good! I did my best to draw first blood, but he has the turn to show it [:)]


The chinese mobilize their forces:


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Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:44:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

You'd make a great politician! We getting to the war anytime soon? [:D]


Thanks Mike, but I think this phrase most certainly pertains to somebody like me[:D];

'It would always be wise to keep madmen well out of reach of the levers of power'

When I receive the next turn it will only be Turn 3......and WPO does'nt move at the pace of AE[>:][:D]

But hopefully in a few turns things will really start hotting up.

The 'Great Manchurian Adventure' certainly looks like it will spice up the game[;)]

There is some trepidation at Imperial HQ at taking on such an esteemed, and some would say, feared opponent as Historiker....but there is no turning back now.!![X(]



Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:49:40 PM)

you did realize you already got the turn back? :)



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:53:18 PM)

Christ!!
That was quick....

I'm on it!![:D]



jeffk3510 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 4:54:31 PM)

Looks fun...never played this or UV



Mundy -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:04:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker
There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


The Martin NBS-1 bombers can deliver the mail with their bombs. I think if they're high enough in experience, they can carry 2,000 lb bombs. Like most of the planes, they're short legged.

I love the 1922 scenario, because it's festooned with pre-dreds.

Ed-



obvert -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:11:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


Are there coast watchers?

How the hell to do you find each other?

I guess pickets will have to be an accepted practice in this one right?



Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:16:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


Are there coast watchers?

How the hell to do you find each other?

I guess pickets will have to be an accepted practice in this one right?

Just imagine two blind men in a huge room with baseball bats. [;)]

The game will circle around the significant bases. I'll have to establish an island chain to Japan, which he has to prevent. As he doesn't need ressources or oil, he doesn't have to conquer anything, especially as even the Philippines only can be used as fleet base, not for strategic bombing.

I guess the two men with baseball bats is a good description...



obvert -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:22:37 PM)

WITP Piņata [:)]

The question is who is going to get the most candy?



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:30:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

I guess the two men with baseball bats is a good description...


I could'nt have put it better myself!!

I have to go to work now so I can't complete the turn....but here is a taster of what is to come....first blood to Historiker!!!![:(]


[image]local://upfiles/29250/718D626346D449F8AC926D3857A24E0A.jpg[/image]

Severe ( probably fatal ) damage to the minelayer Katashima Maru[:(][:(]

Tomorrow:-

First fleet engagement of the War....who will come out on top??

All this and much more...tomorrow!!



Mike Solli -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 5:35:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


Are there coast watchers?

How the hell to do you find each other?

I guess pickets will have to be an accepted practice in this one right?


I think pickets is the way to go. The way you discover an enemy fleet is easy. When one of your pickets disappears, you know there's an enemy fleet there.

This is a great game. Very quick turnaround of turns.



Historiker -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/14/2012 6:17:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


Are there coast watchers?

How the hell to do you find each other?

I guess pickets will have to be an accepted practice in this one right?


I think pickets is the way to go. The way you discover an enemy fleet is easy. When one of your pickets disappears, you know there's an enemy fleet there.

This is a great game. Very quick turnaround of turns.


Indeed. I plan to use my approx. 100 BB as pickets. [sm=00000959.gif]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/15/2012 6:58:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

There are Torpedo Bombers, though almost all have a range of just one hex. So it is more than unlikely that they will have any significant impact.
But this also means that there's no Naval Search to speak of.


Are there coast watchers?

How the hell to do you find each other?

I guess pickets will have to be an accepted practice in this one right?


I think pickets is the way to go. The way you discover an enemy fleet is easy. When one of your pickets disappears, you know there's an enemy fleet there.

This is a great game. Very quick turnaround of turns.


Indeed. I plan to use my approx. 100 BB as pickets. [sm=00000959.gif]


In that case I shall use 101 BB's and automatically win the game....[:D]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/15/2012 3:53:35 PM)

Well I've sent the latest turn to Historiker....and what a suprising turn it turned out to be!!

First one of my Minelayers was torpedoed, but then, in an attempt to catch my Transports loading at Sasebo, this happened:[X(][X(][X(]

4 US destroyers hove into view...but unfortunately for them, the BB's Aki and Satsuma, the CL's Yahagi and Chikuma, and 4 DD's were protecting the transports.

Out gunned and outclassed, there could be only one outcome.

[image]local://upfiles/29250/ACD6372777724376BF23240103C9DDAA.jpg[/image]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/15/2012 3:58:05 PM)



They somehow managed to break off the engagement, but then came BACK!!, to try and get at that those transports. This time the heavily damaged USS Borie went down in a huge fireball, while the remaining three, USS Parrot, Tracey and Chandler ( surely not named after the great Raymond? ), slunk off into the night to lick their wounds.

[image]local://upfiles/29250/70452FD27D2F4CB5B78727E3CAA0D255.jpg[/image]



Empire101 -> RE: Land of The Giants (4/15/2012 4:09:45 PM)

Elsewhere not so good. The Kure 1st SNLF made its initial landings on Batan Island, only to find it occupied by determined American defenders. Kure 1st SNLF was battered, and barely survived the landings.

Historikers analogy of 2 blindfolded men in a huge room with baseball bats is extremely pertinent. Recon is MUCH harder, and you end up taking more chances....with predictable results[X(]

Below are the only other significant Combat results, the torpedoeing of the ML Katushima Maru[:@]
and the disastarous assault at Batan.[:(]






[image]local://upfiles/29250/87E77316795645A089F821EC8D4D4229.jpg[/image]



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