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treespider -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/15/2012 3:30:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth quote: Hey now... no need to start pickin on us Mountaineers. Sorry, you can just substitute Arkansas for West Virginia. Anybody from Arkansas out there? You mean like "How do you compliment your date if she's from Arkansas? Hey, nice tooth!" She might have lost them in a motorcycle accident.

crsutton -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/15/2012 6:14:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tocaff But even though SJ lives north of the river he lives in the Land Down Under so that would make him from the Deep South. I live in South America making all of you Yankees. [:'(] You mean "Yankee Imperialist Dogs?" [;)]

Cribtop -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 1:31:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Touche Grafin. I’ve worn blue most of my working life and have never before given thought to how that could link me those Yankees.[X(] How am I meant to gain the trust of Canoerebel and his merry band of southerners if they see me as a representative of the Union? Thanks for the rescue Todd. There is plenty to be said for living south of the equator. I do, however, live in a northern state but in the south of that state. Now I’m confused. There wasn’t a neutral state in that war was there. If there was I could align myself with them and remain aloof to all this southern/northern brotherly love. Guess there was no in between was there. Perhaps it is best to look to my mostly German heritage for my inspiration. That would be Kentucky, a nice place to live from what I've heard. Not so much brotherly love though. There was recently a national news story over here where two older gentlemen from Kentucky undergoing kidney dialysis at the same facility figured out they were fans of rival college basketball teams about to play for the national title. They actually came out of the dialysis chairs (presumably still attached to the machines) and got in a fist fight. The police had to brought in to restore order. [:D]

treespider -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 1:34:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Touche Grafin. I’ve worn blue most of my working life and have never before given thought to how that could link me those Yankees.[X(] How am I meant to gain the trust of Canoerebel and his merry band of southerners if they see me as a representative of the Union? Thanks for the rescue Todd. There is plenty to be said for living south of the equator. I do, however, live in a northern state but in the south of that state. Now I’m confused. There wasn’t a neutral state in that war was there. If there was I could align myself with them and remain aloof to all this southern/northern brotherly love. Guess there was no in between was there. Perhaps it is best to look to my mostly German heritage for my inspiration. That would be Kentucky, a nice place to live from what I've heard. Not so much brotherly love though. There was recently a national news story over here where two older gentlemen from Kentucky undergoing kidney dialysis at the same facility figured out they were fans of rival college basketball teams about to play for the national title. They actually came out of the dialysis chairs (presumably still attached to the machines) and got in a fist fight. The police had to brought in to restore order. [:D] Don't get me started on kentuckians ...yet to meet one who wasn't an _______.

rockmedic109 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 2:37:54 AM)
Who likes to fight more? Irishman? Scotsman? Kentuckian?

USSAmerica -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 3:03:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton quote: ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin Hmmm I am from SOUTH Germany if that counts [:D] Cool! Did your family own any slaves[:D]? I own one myself, we call it husband here. So yes ma and grandma had a slave also ;) Hmmm maybe I should plant cotton o.O After the weekend I just spend staining and sealing our wooden deck, hauling and spreading 34 bags of mulch, and planting over 2 dozen plants and flowers - all at the command of my owner, I found your post hilarious, Grafin! [:D]

Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 3:52:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: USS America After the weekend I just spend staining and sealing our wooden deck, hauling and spreading 34 bags of mulch, and planting over 2 dozen plants and flowers - all at the command of my owner, I found your post hilarious, Grafin! [:D] Hahahaha [:)]

SierraJuliet -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 5:14:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Touche Grafin. I’ve worn blue most of my working life and have never before given thought to how that could link me those Yankees.[X(] How am I meant to gain the trust of Canoerebel and his merry band of southerners if they see me as a representative of the Union? Thanks for the rescue Todd. There is plenty to be said for living south of the equator. I do, however, live in a northern state but in the south of that state. Now I’m confused. There wasn’t a neutral state in that war was there. If there was I could align myself with them and remain aloof to all this southern/northern brotherly love. Guess there was no in between was there. Perhaps it is best to look to my mostly German heritage for my inspiration. That would be Kentucky, a nice place to live from what I've heard. Not so much brotherly love though. There was recently a national news story over here where two older gentlemen from Kentucky undergoing kidney dialysis at the same facility figured out they were fans of rival college basketball teams about to play for the national title. They actually came out of the dialysis chairs (presumably still attached to the machines) and got in a fist fight. The police had to brought in to restore order. [:D] Kentucky you say. I’ve had rather a liking to visit Montana simply based on Captain Borodin’s remark to Captain Ramius that he would like to live there. A long, long, way from the Deep South but would anyone like to comment on the virtues of Montana.

Cuttlefish -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 8:13:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Kentucky you say. I’ve had rather a liking to visit Montana simply based on Captain Borodin’s remark to Captain Ramius that he would like to live there. A long, long, way from the Deep South but would anyone like to comment on the virtues of Montana. I don't live in Montana - very few people do - but I will comment on its virtues. The western half of the state is rugged and mountainous and beautiful. The eastern half of the state is a vast and empty prairie. Montana is called the Big Sky Country and especially in the east the sky really does seem somehow vast. Even today it is almost intimidating if you drive through it on secondary highways. How the early pioneers and settlers crossed it is beyond me. The state is also home to the Little Bighorn battlefield. It's worth a visit. The land has not changed a great deal from when the battle was fought and, for me at least, it was one of the most haunting and evocative battlefield sites I have ever visited.

SierraJuliet -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 11:53:39 AM)
Thanks Cuttlefish. I'm sold. You do a great publicity blurb as well as AARs.

Blackhorse -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 12:26:24 PM)
I'll second Cuttlefish's remarks. I worked on a highway project in Western Montana -- US 93, stretching from Idaho to the Canadian border. "Rugged, mountainous and beautiful" and still achingly empty in long stretches. I traveled with Montanans from various state agencies from all over the state. Over dinner/drinks one night they got into a good-natured wrangle over which part of Montana was most beautiful. Finally, one of them said, "Butte -- in your rear view mirror" and won accord. Butte is an old mining town in the Montana flatlands. Its landscape is dominated by giant slagheaps from mostly abandoned mines that overlook the city. So apparently not every inch of Montana is a natural paradise. quote: ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Kentucky you say. I’ve had rather a liking to visit Montana simply based on Captain Borodin’s remark to Captain Ramius that he would like to live there. A long, long, way from the Deep South but would anyone like to comment on the virtues of Montana. I don't live in Montana - very few people do - but I will comment on its virtues. The western half of the state is rugged and mountainous and beautiful. The eastern half of the state is a vast and empty prairie. Montana is called the Big Sky Country and especially in the east the sky really does seem somehow vast. Even today it is almost intimidating if you drive through it on secondary highways. How the early pioneers and settlers crossed it is beyond me. The state is also home to the Little Bighorn battlefield. It's worth a visit. The land has not changed a great deal from when the battle was fought and, for me at least, it was one of the most haunting and evocative battlefield sites I have ever visited.

USSAmerica -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 1:45:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Touche Grafin. I’ve worn blue most of my working life and have never before given thought to how that could link me those Yankees.[X(] How am I meant to gain the trust of Canoerebel and his merry band of southerners if they see me as a representative of the Union? Thanks for the rescue Todd. There is plenty to be said for living south of the equator. I do, however, live in a northern state but in the south of that state. Now I’m confused. There wasn’t a neutral state in that war was there. If there was I could align myself with them and remain aloof to all this southern/northern brotherly love. Guess there was no in between was there. Perhaps it is best to look to my mostly German heritage for my inspiration. That would be Kentucky, a nice place to live from what I've heard. Not so much brotherly love though. There was recently a national news story over here where two older gentlemen from Kentucky undergoing kidney dialysis at the same facility figured out they were fans of rival college basketball teams about to play for the national title. They actually came out of the dialysis chairs (presumably still attached to the machines) and got in a fist fight. The police had to brought in to restore order. [:D] Kentucky you say. I’ve had rather a liking to visit Montana simply based on Captain Borodin’s remark to Captain Ramius that he would like to live there. A long, long, way from the Deep South but would anyone like to comment on the virtues of Montana. It's amazingly beautiful if you like mountains. I've been through a couple of times and spent one night there on vacation.

vettim89 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 5:54:06 PM)
It occured to me that this thread has failed in it purpose. I think the reaon is that CR is afraid the truth about him will be revealed. Job: Undercover agent monitoring anti-government cells in the South Age: irrelevant Residence: Primary: New Haven, CN Secondary: North Georgia Family: Government provided wife and sons to help keep his cover Education: George Bush Center for Intelligence Work: Dept of Homeland Security Favorite Quote: "Every time I visit the South, I cannot beleive it took the North four years to win the Civil War" Reading: Sherman, William T., Memoirs of General W.T. Sherman (let's see if that stirs the pot)

Schanilec -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 6:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish quote: ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet Kentucky you say. I’ve had rather a liking to visit Montana simply based on Captain Borodin’s remark to Captain Ramius that he would like to live there. A long, long, way from the Deep South but would anyone like to comment on the virtues of Montana. I don't live in Montana - very few people do - but I will comment on its virtues. The western half of the state is rugged and mountainous and beautiful. The eastern half of the state is a vast and empty prairie. Montana is called the Big Sky Country and especially in the east the sky really does seem somehow vast. Even today it is almost intimidating if you drive through it on secondary highways. How the early pioneers and settlers crossed it is beyond me. The state is also home to the Little Bighorn battlefield. It's worth a visit. The land has not changed a great deal from when the battle was fought and, for me at least, it was one of the most haunting and evocative battlefield sites I have ever visited. Stay in North Dakota. Custer was healthy when he left.[;)]

Gridley380 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 7:11:27 PM)
Since someone brought up Montana, I feel obligated to remind my fellow forumites that it is the only one of the states in CONUS that hasn't had a (commissioned) battleship named for it. Also, even in Massachusetts the Confederate reenactors often outnumbered the Federals. I wonder if there is a large overlap between Yankees who play Confederates in ACW reenacting and Americans who play the Japanese in WITP? I am happy to have provided your useless trivia of the day.

vettim89 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 7:24:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gridley380 Since someone brought up Montana, I feel obligated to remind my fellow forumites that it is the only one of the states in CONUS that hasn't had a (commissioned) battleship named for it. Also, even in Massachusetts the Confederate reenactors often outnumbered the Federals. I wonder if there is a large overlap between Yankees who play Confederates in ACW reenacting and Americans who play the Japanese in WITP? I am happy to have provided your useless trivia of the day. Well technically USS Alaska was a CB not a BB. Montana does have this: Montana

Cribtop -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/16/2012 9:25:05 PM)
Montana is one of the prettiest places I've seen. We vacationed at a fancy lodge in Whitefish, Montana and hit Glacier National Park for hiking. Note if want to live there - we went in Summer. Winter there is a bear according to the locals.

Sakai007 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/17/2012 2:28:42 AM)
Good grief!!! I am as yankee as yankee gets. This used to be Massachusetts but now we are properly known as the State of Maine!!! That's right, where the 20th Maine hailed from at Gettysburg. They get a lot of press, but it's the 4th Maine that you reb types learned to respect from Bull Run to Appomatox (plz forgive spelling, am distracted) I did a ton of research into my states contributions to the Civil War. Joshua Chamberlain lived ten miles up the road in Brunswick, as Dean of Bowdoin College. Many of the men who served in the 20th and 4th hailed from Augusta to Portland. The City of Bath (here where I am) fielded a single company attached to the 4th called the Grey's. Heh, all this Civil War talk gets me all excited, signing off!

John 3rd -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/17/2012 6:57:33 PM)
The USS Montana (NCC-_______) of Star Trek. WE all KNOW if it is in Trek then it HAS to be real!

jeffk3510 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/17/2012 7:51:52 PM)
I know everything I need to know about Dan. He's a fine southern gentleman. [8D]

Historiker -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/17/2012 7:52:56 PM)
you sure?

Canoerebel -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/17/2012 8:02:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sakai007 ...Joshua Chamberlain lived ten miles up the road in Brunswick, as Dean of Bowdoin College. ... Chamberlain was a stud in the sense that he had all of the admirable manly virtues. Here's a few things that might interest you Civil War buffs. Years before the war, Chamberlain was in love with a woman who moved to Milledgeville, Georgia, to teach (or perhaps to serve as a governess; I forget which). Chamerlain nearly followed her here. They married and spent all of their life in Maine. Chamberlain did not have a mililtary education. He was the best kind of citizen soldier, rising in rank to major general by war's end. He showed great personal bravery in battle and was loved by his men and had the full respect and trust of his superiors. After the war, Chamberlain became governor of his state. On the southern side there was a man with a similar story. John Brown Gordon of Georgia had no mililtary training, enlisted in the army at start of the war, and finished as a major general. He showed exceptional personal bravery (he was wounded six times at Antietam in the Sunken Road) and became one of the rising stars at war's end. By the time Lee's bedraggled and hunted army was ready to surrender at Appomattox, his remaining two Corps were under the command of Longstreet and Gordon, both were Georgians (Gordon had to take command of the remnant of one corps after its commanding officer - Ewell? - was captured). As I recall, at the ceremony of surrender at Appomattox, Lee selected Gordon to handle things. Chamberlain was chosen on the Union side. After the war, Gordon became governor of his state. Chamberlain lived until 1916. Gordon lived until 1904 and was the first commander of the United Confederate Veterans. (All of this is from memory, so don't cite this without checking up on it).

Sakai007 -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 3:28:34 AM)
Canoerebel - I had read most of the things you mentioned about Chamberlain from biographies I found at the local library and so forth. I did not know about the woman he loved, and that is very interesting. My great, great, great uncle was at Gettysburg on the burial detail after the battle. First generation of my family that I know of that served their nation, making every major US war since with the exception of WWI. Chamberlain was wounded at Vicksburg IIRC during the siege. His unit was ordered to advance across open ground and was nearly wiped out by the defenders. He was sent back, recovered, and returned to the fight shortly before the end of the war. This is when he was chosen to handle the surrender at Appomattox. Obviously, the 20th Maine is a legend in these parts. I was once told that the problems that lead to the Civil War still exist today in various forms, still un-solved. Rabid nationalism is present in many of the states that participated. By nationalism I mean extreme pride, patriotism, and loyalty to ones own state before the nation as a whole, just didn't know a better word for it. Here in Maine, the 20th is still a story to be told with power in ones voice, as I am sure many other states are just as proud of their ancestors contribution to the greatest American Tragedy.

Canoerebel -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 4:39:52 AM)
The Apostle Paul once said that he was a "Hebrew among Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee." In similar spirit, I am a southerner among southerners. That is, I am truly a son of the South going back generations; imbued in the sanctity of the Lost Cause; proud of my heritage and my region. From this perspective, I can assure you that very few southerners today have allegiance to state over country (with the possible exception of some Texicans). Southerners are proud Americans first with few exceptions. IMO, the problems that led to the Civil War are nearly non-existent today. We deal with a very different set of problems. To be sure, there are deep political and some social differences that divide our country, but that are no longer state vs. state. It's more urban vs. rural and poor vs. not poor. A chism of the kind that we saw in 1861 is very unlikely (though other kinds of chisms are certainly not impossible). As hot and touchy as people can be today, these times are still considerably more tranquil and decent than several others I can think of in the not-too-distant past. The 1960s and 1970s were much more heated. And from 1890 to about 1930 there was an amazing number of lynchings - all over the country, but moreso in the south. Imagine living at a time when people took the law into their own hands and killed people right in your own neighborhood. The thought is just sobering. This can very easily devolve into a contentious political discussion, but the point I wanted to make is to simply say that, all things considered, we Americans live in a peaceful, contended and prosperous country. :)

geofflambert -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 5:18:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton quote: ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin Hmmm I am from SOUTH Germany if that counts [:D] Cool! Did your family own any slaves[:D]? I own one myself, we call it husband here. So yes ma and grandma had a slave also ;) Hmmm maybe I should plant cotton o.O Correction Countess Zeppelin, you own two, including myself. [&o]

Schanilec -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 4:11:45 PM)
Guten tag y'all.[8D]

morganbj -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 7:56:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel quote: ORIGINAL: Sakai007 ...Joshua Chamberlain lived ten miles up the road in Brunswick, as Dean of Bowdoin College. ... Chamberlain was a stud in the sense that he had all of the admirable manly virtues. Here's a few things that might interest you Civil War buffs. Years before the war, Chamberlain was in love with a woman who moved to Milledgeville, Georgia, to teach (or perhaps to serve as a governess; I forget which). Chamerlain nearly followed her here. They married and spent all of their life in Maine. Chamberlain did not have a mililtary education. He was the best kind of citizen soldier, rising in rank to major general by war's end. He showed great personal bravery in battle and was loved by his men and had the full respect and trust of his superiors. After the war, Chamberlain became governor of his state. On the southern side there was a man with a similar story. John Brown Gordon of Georgia had no mililtary training, enlisted in the army at start of the war, and finished as a major general. He showed exceptional personal bravery (he was wounded six times at Antietam in the Sunken Road) and became one of the rising stars at war's end. By the time Lee's bedraggled and hunted army was ready to surrender at Appomattox, his remaining two Corps were under the command of Longstreet and Gordon, both were Georgians (Gordon had to take command of the remnant of one corps after its commanding officer - Ewell? - was captured). As I recall, at the ceremony of surrender at Appomattox, Lee selected Gordon to handle things. Chamberlain was chosen on the Union side. After the war, Gordon became governor of his state. Chamberlain lived until 1916. Gordon lived until 1904 and was the first commander of the United Confederate Veterans. (All of this is from memory, so don't cite this without checking up on it). Gordon was my grandmother's (Gordon) grandfather, or was it great gradfather. I forget. At least that was what I've been told. Knowing this forum someone will say that Gordon's talleywacker was whacked, so he had no offspring, thereby making me look like a jerk.

Canoerebel -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 8:17:33 PM)
Gordon's wife was named Fanny, if memory serves. They were very close. She accompanied him to Virginia and was with him in camp much of the time.

JWE -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 8:30:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel The Apostle Paul once said that he was a "Hebrew among Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee." A Hebrew amongst Hebrews and, as touching the Law, a Pharisee. You, Caneorebel, are a scholar. Mom was a German war bride, Dad was a Southern serviceman (family was from Dickey, GA). Great, great uncle or something was an arty Bn commander in Army of Tenn/Miss. Maybe that's why I love guns. Grew up in Fla, when it was cool. Tampa's Mayor was Manny Garcia (cubano), my girlfriend was Nancy Delapena (cubano) and we never thought a thing about it; then the Yankees and the Govt came... Went to Bates College in Maine because, at the time, that's what one did. Then off to MIT and the world. Used to be, those colleges were hotbeds of intensive scientific thought: Bates, Bowdoin, Colby, Smith, Amherst, Brown. Then the Govt came ... things have since changed to other paradigms. Lived and worked in the Northeast for several years; school, Draper Labs, Ealing Corp, DoD stuff. Once I got free, I went to TI (Dallas), Harris (Fla) and Kali-jo-fornia. But once it got time to retire and move my stroked-out mother to someplace righteous, there wasn't no alternative to the Gulf Coast of the Southland. It's a transitory stop, but am daily smacked up side of my head about how little this part of the Gulf Coast has changed. The sailing on Mobile Bay is exactly how I remember it from Davis Island YC. And down around Bon Secur, they got fresh shrimp, snapper, grouper, whites, blues, mahi mahi, and smoked frikken mullet. And people open doors for ladies. And people are polite to one another. And it's just ... "Pleasent" ... to live here. Took 30 years to remember what it means to be a Southron. Will never forget. No matter which end of the world I end up at.

Canoerebel -> RE: Outing Canoerebel (4/18/2012 8:35:47 PM)
"Southrons" isn't a term used much any longer, but it's a great one. Here's a version of a song that uses the term. After a brief instrumental, that word opens the lyrics. Listen to the lyrics if you haven't heard this version before. [:)] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ubpvdUg1ZI&feature=related Edited: Swapped out a version that had video a little less "in your face" than the original post here. It's not the video, but rather the song by Bobby Horton that's the point. Southron pride can kinda seem "in your face" to those unaquainted to it or not part of it. :)

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