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Wyke -> Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 6:07:27 AM)

Hi guys

I am finding that I am struggling more and more to get SP, in any version (Both Matrix and Camo) to run happily on my computer.

I am no expert, but I am guessing that the game is just getting too old for newer PC's. It's a shame, because I have always loved that game, from the very first day it came out.

So, I am wondering, what would people say is the closest 'spiritual successor' to SP that is on the market today.

Many thanks in advance

Wyke/Dave

PS
Oh yes, I am using a newish computer running Windows Vista



junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 6:26:45 AM)

For squad level troops and single vehicle scale, with hexes or squares, the only choices I can think of are the SP variants, HPS Squad Battles, Battle Academy, and the not yet released Conflict of Heroes.

I never played the Squad Battles series as it sounded to tedious.

I played Battle Academy to death. Great "fun" game. Not too serious. Has some limitations such as only ground level and one height level.

COH looks like a serious game that can be played with 3D units or counters.

We are never going to see the all in one games like SP. There is no financial future with that. We will get theatres or battles with pay for additional content.



Missouri_Rebel -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 7:31:33 AM)

Are you familiar with Shrapnel games free version of Steel Panthers, winSPWW2?

I'd echo the sentiment that Battle Academy might interest you although nothing will ever be SP except for SP, both good and bad.




Wyke -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 11:31:26 AM)

Thanks for the replies guys. I am familiar with Battle Academy, I have a copy on the iPad. It's OK, but I do find the lack of depth and some of the convoluted game play frustrating (Not being able to have more then on unit in a square, or even have another pass though).

I don't actually mind the idea of paying for different theaters/periods/etc, so long as it's a good game.

Yes, I am familiar with the Shrapnel version. But again, I am finding that it is just getting too temperamental.



Perturabo -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 2:18:01 PM)

If you don't mind real time with pause, acceleration and slowdown, check out Armored Brigade. Steel Panther was one of its inspirations.



junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 2:19:17 PM)

Have you played John Tiller's Campaign Series (formerly Talonsoft) here at Matrix? It is platoon scale but similar to SP. All in one for a low price. Good enough graphics with a 3D mode or 2D mode, still supported and updated, active (sometimes opinionated) community.



nate25 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 2:23:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

If you don't mind real time with pause, acceleration and slowdown, check out Armored Brigade. Steel Panther was one of its inspirations.


This little game is pretty cool. I like it much better than SPMBT, other than fewer choices for equipment, OOBs, etc.

But for free it's a winner.



planner 3 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 5:03:31 PM)

Look into the latest MATRIX/Slitherine Release "Panzer Corps"



junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 5:25:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: planner 3

Look into the latest MATRIX/Slitherine Release "Panzer Corps"


But that isn't squad level. I played the original Panzer General on a Playstation and it was fun then. Not my cup of tea these days.



wodin -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 8:58:11 PM)

If there is a game thats missing in the wargamers arsenal it's a updated Steel panthers game. No game that has come out recently or is due out is really similar.

Matrix killed of my hope with Combat Leaders demise.



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 10:28:40 PM)

That's one thing board wargames have over computer wargames.....they last for a life time....baring - tornado's, fire, children.[;)]



junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/15/2012 10:32:20 PM)

You mean your dinner table never goes out of date or doesn't meet the minimum requirements of the latest game?



junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 12:34:56 AM)

SP has a reasonably challenging AI and depending on the designer can give you a good solo game. Combine that with a random battle and campaign generator that covers just about every country and year of WWII and it is tough to match. SPMBT takes it to another level.

For me, it just got to be too hard to see the units and terrain on modern screens. Large battles take forever to play out with lots of tedious clicking. Too bad the group movement never worked right.

As I mentioned above, I played John Tiller's Campaign Series for a while. It is platoon level with a 3D or 2D view and map. Good game and good value. Still being updated but slowly. Modern versions being worked on too. Again, it is getting harder to see things on the map with my old eyes.

The screenshots for COH look good. The 3D units are nice enough and large enough. 3D terrain looks a lot better than the stepped terrain of JTCS or the color coded 2D maps.

Hopefully COH will get campaigns and random generators.



gabeeg -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 8:12:49 AM)

Wyke, What problems are you having getting the Shrapnel/Camo version of Steel Panthers running stable on your system. I am playing it on a Win7 x64 widescreen laptop with zero problems...in all its old 256 color palette glory. I am running the next to latest version (4.5) but 5.0 is out now. Both versions added better support for win7 and widescreen monitors. It is actually on of the most stable games I play. Now, the Matrix version...slightly different story, it took a bit of work to get running well...but it is not quite as pain free...and is limited in resolution.



Josh -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:27:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wodin

If there is a game thats missing in the wargamers arsenal it's a updated Steel panthers game. No game that has come out recently or is due out is really similar.



Well said, that's a plus one.

I guess it's like Panzer General. There were many "successors", they looked like it and played like it but they weren't PG. Until the recently released PC ofcourse, IMHO that's the true spiritual successor of PG.
So will we ever see a true spiritual successor of SP? I think so, probably will take a while...

(man I can *still* hear the sound enemy rounds made when they ricocheted off my tanks, KA-CHING!)



Tarhunnas -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 1:10:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

If there is a game thats missing in the wargamers arsenal it's a updated Steel panthers game. No game that has come out recently or is due out is really similar.


+1000000

That and an updated "Master of Orion", those two would make me happy for the rest of my lifetime, most other games coming out now are not half as engaging as those two!



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 7:20:02 PM)

No, my 6 x 4 gaming table, that never goes out of date.
quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

You mean your dinner table never goes out of date or doesn't meet the minimum requirements of the latest game?




junk2drive -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 7:35:59 PM)

I'll get you a cat so that you can have a CTTT

(crash to table top)



Mobius -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 7:51:07 PM)

How does the tactical level of Steel Panthers differ from PCO?



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 8:58:29 PM)

I have a dog.....and a baby gate. Works great. [:)][:D]
quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

I'll get you a cat so that you can have a CTTT

(crash to table top)




parusski -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:00:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: junk2drive

I'll get you a cat so that you can have a CTTT

(crash to table top)


Damn, that is funny. And true. I replace every cat that dies in our home simply because I cannot fathom setting up War in the Pacific, with it's 9,000 counters, and not having a CTTT!



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:01:37 PM)

I do wish they would do a updated Steel Panthers.



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:03:20 PM)

Thats one of the draw backs of tabletop gaming....Cats and 9,000 counters.[:-][X(]
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ORIGINAL: parusski


quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

I'll get you a cat so that you can have a CTTT

(crash to table top)


Damn, that is funny. And true. I replace every cat that dies in our home simply because I cannot fathom setting up War in the Pacific, with it's 9,000 counters, and not having a CTTT!




parusski -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:09:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I do wish they would do a updated Steel Panthers.


I would love that too.



rwenstrup -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:10:45 PM)

My all time favorite game! Sure wish a developer would come along to take advantage of the dedicated fan base! Funny...every developer seems to be pushing graphics and tablet PC apps... in a very crowded market space. Seems to me that an established market with a proven game design on a broad based platform would be an easier way to go...

...of course it's not my money on the table...



nate25 -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/16/2012 9:17:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rwenstrup

My all time favorite game! Sure wish a developer would come along to take advantage of the dedicated fan base! Funny...every developer seems to be pushing graphics and tablet PC apps... in a very crowded market space. Seems to me that an established market with a proven game design on a broad based platform would be an easier way to go...

...of course it's not my money on the table...


You probably nailed it right there. Much more to be made in simple, watered down games and versions of games.



Tarhunnas -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/17/2012 9:42:45 AM)

Most new games seem to be more and more shallow and concentrate on graphics instead of content.

I bought Battle Academy when it was new, hoped it would be something like Steel Panthers, played two scenarios, not my thing. Never touched it since.



wodin -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/17/2012 10:35:57 AM)

Steel Panthers Kickstarter anyone?



Josh -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/17/2012 4:08:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wodin

Steel Panthers Kickstarter anyone?


Now that you mention it... great idea. What party has the rights to SP? ( I did know it but keep forgetting it)



Tarhunnas -> RE: Steel Panthers Successor (4/17/2012 8:53:49 PM)

SP actually works pretty well for me on windows 7, it's just the graphics that are odd sometimes.

The most important thing SP would have needed was a better AI and better force selection for the AI. I refer to SPWAW BTW, which I thought was the best of them.



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