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geofflambert -> Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/22/2012 7:05:16 PM)

vontiger was extremely upset at the end of our last game. Hopping mad! This means WAR!

Across the vast gulf of the Pacific, a mind that is to our minds as ours are to the beasts that perish, an intellect vast and cool and unsympathetic, regards our lands with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draws his plans against us.

I have obtained a photograph of vontiger from the internet. Here it is.



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vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/25/2012 11:20:53 PM)

I learned valuable lessons after the last game, check your turn before you send it, ensure your carriers always have fuel and be aware of the CAP issues with IJN until radar is available... Now the planning has begun to redeem myself and remove the shame from my family....



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/25/2012 11:24:48 PM)

12/07/1941

BANZAI!!!!!!!!!
With a bolt of lightning and a clap of thunder the IJN have taken the allies unaware....

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Captured Batan Island

Air
Carrier Strike Pearl Harbour- See Attachment below
Naval strike from Bettys/Nells has sunk BB Prince of Wales (3 Torps), BC Repulse (5 Torps), DD Express (2 Torps) , DD Tenedos (1 Torp)
AF bomb Alor Star- Blenheim I-3 Des, 15 Dam
AF bomb Clark Field- 1 P40E Air
Port Strike Daveo- AVD William Heavy Damage, AKL Montanes on fire
AF bomb Ida- P-26A air, 1 P40E Des
AF bomb Kota Bharu- Hudson I- 2 Des, 27 Dam: Vildebeest III- 2 Des, 3 Dam

Navy
Amphibious Landings Kota Bharu, Batan Island
Bombardment Midway- They missed the side of the barn

Sub
Midget subs attacked Pearl, SSX Ha-14 1 Torp BB West Virginia

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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 4:19:44 AM)

12/8/41 This is the worst I've ever seen. I should have titled this AAR A Farewell to Arms ... and Legs. This has only put more steel in my spine (in the form of shrapnel).



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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 4:19:54 PM)

Good to see you pick an avatar, vontiger. Is that Fujin the god of the wind?



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 4:29:39 PM)

Oh, I found it, it's Raijin, the god of thunder and lightning. Here's a pic of Raijin (left) with Fujin.

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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 4:43:56 PM)

I presume you will be following the counsel of Hachiman, god of war.



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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 5:14:55 PM)

I, on the other hand, only take instruction from Loren, goddess of beauty. She is known in other cultures as Aphrodite or Venus, born from the foam of the sea.

As you can see from my avatar, I am quite fetching myself.

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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 5:27:15 PM)

Yes, I know what you're all thinking, I fetch sticks if you throw them.



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 10:41:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I presume you will be following the counsel of Hachiman, god of war.



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My counsel comes from Carl Von Clausewitz

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vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/26/2012 10:54:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Yes, I know what you're all thinking, I fetch sticks if you throw them.


Really? Ok then my carrier group is parked off the bottom right corner of the map.[:'(]



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/27/2012 2:47:34 AM)

Woof woof, ... woof woof!  I'm so excited.  I know where bottoms are from sniffing them, but what is "right" and what is "corner"?  Woof woof.



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/27/2012 2:57:38 AM)

As to Clausewitz, perhaps it would be better if you listen to Nathan Bedford Forrest:



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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/27/2012 3:56:47 AM)

My opponent requested that we play with "realistic r&d off". I don't know what this may lead to and I know it does not benefit me in any way, but my response has been to look for other contractors to provide my navy with torpedoes that actually work.



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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/27/2012 5:23:03 AM)

Also, I've been caught in an attempt to insult my opponent unfairly (but only through my own stupidity). Although I used the word "surely" in the missive in question, my characterisation of him was unfair on at least one level. This has induced me to give him further opportunity to respond, and this is his reply:



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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (4/28/2012 3:44:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vontiger

I learned valuable lessons after the last game, check your turn before you send it, ensure your carriers always have fuel and be aware of the CAP issues with IJN until radar is available... Now the planning has begun to redeem myself and remove the shame from my family....



I was reviewing our correspondence and became alarmed at what you said here. Your family (specifically your wife and child) don't actually know anything about this do they? I cannot stress strongly enough the importance of maintaining deniability about our operations. If you have exposed us (inadvertently or otherwise) you are aware of the location where you deposited the cyanide capsule that accompanied the game disc and manual? Correct?



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/2/2012 5:12:16 AM)

The December 8 turn is now complete, and back in his hands. All I can say is that perhaps this time I shall be less merciful and more swift!



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vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/3/2012 1:45:26 PM)

12/08/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked Kota Bharu- 237 IJA to 438 Allied
Captured Makin
Attacked Pengpu- 94 IJA to 760 Chinese
Captured Tuguegaro- 16 IJN to 241 Filipino
Captured Vigan

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 267 Chinese lost 90,56
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Naval bombing- AKL Mauban 3 torps Sunk
Naval bombing- AKL Magallanes 1 torp sunk + AKL Luzon 2 torps sunk
Naval bombing near Langsa- 4 ships attacked all misses

Navy
Amphibious Makin
Mines Bataan- SS Seawolf/Searaven/Sealion all 1 Mine hit each + AS Otus 1 mine hit. All Subs sunk

Sub
SS I-124 attacks AKL Palawan 8 shell hits heavy damage
SS I-124 attacks AK Anakan 1 shell hit



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/3/2012 1:47:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert


quote:

ORIGINAL: vontiger

I learned valuable lessons after the last game, check your turn before you send it, ensure your carriers always have fuel and be aware of the CAP issues with IJN until radar is available... Now the planning has begun to redeem myself and remove the shame from my family....



I was reviewing our correspondence and became alarmed at what you said here. Your family (specifically your wife and child) don't actually know anything about this do they? I cannot stress strongly enough the importance of maintaining deniability about our operations. If you have exposed us (inadvertently or otherwise) you are aware of the location where you deposited the cyanide capsule that accompanied the game disc and manual? Correct?


My family knows no better and the cyanide location is known. [8D] We are safe for now......



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/3/2012 1:59:53 PM)

12/09/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Captured Aparri- 33 Filipino
Captured Kota Bharu- 107 IJA to 1862 Allied + 2 Hudson I/1 Vildebeest III
Captured Laoag
Captured Tarawa

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 141 Chinese lost 90,49
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Naval Bombing near Sabang- AK Ellenga 1 bomb hit

Navy
Amphibious Aparri
Amphibious Pakhoi
Amphibious Tarawa
Naval battle near Guiuan- PB Nichi Maru is damaged by PG Isabel while protecting transports
Naval battle near Dinagat- PG Isabel is sunk by Surface fleet
Naval battle near Hong Kong- AKL Yat Shing 15 shell hits sunk/AK Munlock 5 shell hits+1 torp hit sunk/AK Haraldsvang 9 Shell hits+1 torp hit sunk
Naval battle near Iba- AK Fatshan 7 shell hits+1 torp hit sunk

Sub
SS I-124 attacks AK Yu Sang 1 torp hit
SS I-26 attacks AK Ensley City 1 shell hit+ 2 torps heavy damage
SS I-123 attacks CA Houston- Torps miss
Previous report SS Sealion sunk is incorrect



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/3/2012 8:36:52 PM)

12/10/41 The enemy has reached the shore opposite Hong Kong. We believe they're asking for our surrender, but we no speakee Japanese.


Managing all the ships trying to escape to safe harbor is like herding cats. If I don't give them waypoints and order them to proceed directly they pick the most peculiar courses. They also retreat even when I order absolute threat tolerance.

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geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/4/2012 2:22:46 AM)

We've tentatively settled on a house rule of no 4E bombing below 10k feet before '43 (some B-17s attacked some of his troop ships at 1k feet, without result).  He suggested that for throughout the war, but I cited the second raid on Ploesti as an example of it actually happening.  If anyone thinks I'm being unfair, please chime in.  I've attached an article about a demonstration in '38 that B-17s could intercept ships at sea.  The cloud deck was at 1,100 feet so they flew under it.  Thanks for your comments.[:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_of_the_Rex



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/6/2012 3:43:09 AM)

12/10/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 83,51- 208 IJA to 6403 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 84,55- 489 IJA to 1609 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked Hong Kong- 1728 IJA to 324 Allied, Allies held
Attacked Pakhoi- 227 IJN to 174 Chinese, Chinese Held

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A
Sweep Singapore- 6 Buffalo I
Naval Bombing near Cam Ranh Bay- AK Bennevis Sunk 4 torp hit, DD Thanet Sunk 1 torp, AK Hinsang Heavy Dam 1 torp
Naval Bombing near Singapore- BB Prince of Wales (reported sunk)1 bomb hit Heavy Damage Reported Sunk again

Navy
Amphibious Legaspi
Amphibious Miri
Amphibious Pakhoi
Naval battle 94,87- AKL Kanlaon II 17 Shell sunk, AKL Latouche 4 shell sunk
Naval battle 86,84- AVD Childs 5 Shell heavy damage
Naval battle 85,83- AM Quail 9 Shell sunk, AP Neptuna 8 Shell+3 torp Sunk

Sub
SS I-154 attacks AKL Shinai 2 Shell 2 torp hit, heavy Dam
Previous report SS Searaven sunk is incorrect



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/6/2012 4:12:30 AM)

12/11/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 90,56- 403 IJA to 1586 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked Hong Kong- 557 IJA to 359 Allied, Allies held
Captured Legaspi
Captured Miri- 10 IJA to 50 British, British retreated
Captured Naga

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Manila- 1 P26A, 4 P35A, 1 Nell
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing 98,81- AM Bittern 2 torp sunk, AP Rochambeau
Naval Bombing 101, 82- AS Holland 2 torp heavy damage
Naval Bombing Bacolod- AKL Bisayas 4 Bomb heavy damage
Naval Bombing near Cam Ranh Bay- D scout 1 torp sunk, AKL Chengtu 2 torps sunk
Naval Bombing near Guiuan- AS Otus 3 bomb hits heavy damage (already damaged from mine)
Naval Bombing 160,130- AMC Hokoku maru 6 bomb hits heavy damage, AMC Aikoku Maru 5 bomb hits heavy damage
Naval Bombinb Singapore- AM Toowoomba 1 torp heavy damage

Navy
Amphibious Guam
Amphibious Hollandia
Amphibious Kavieng
Amphibious Manus
Amphibious Mersing
Amphibious Wewak
Task force comprising- CA Maya 1 shell(Pope), CA Ashigara, CL Kuma, DD Asakaze 1 shell (Pope), DD Matsukaze Engaged the following- DD Pope 2 Shell+3 Torp sunk, TK Mindanao 9 shell+1 torp sunk, AK Capillo 5 torp sunk, AK Tantalus 30 shell sunk, AM finch 3 shell sunk, AP President Madison 15 shell+ 2 torp sunk, PG asheville 12 shell sunk, AK Ethel Edwards 13 Shell heavy damage. During one of these battles CA Maya ran into CL Kuma damage was light (total tonnage sunk- 26285)
Naval battle near Jolo- AKL Princess of Negros 23 shell sunk
Naval battle near Taytay- AKL Corregidor 23 Shell Sunk

Sub
SS KXII attacks CL Kashii 1 torp hit, 2 ASW hits on KXII (suspect KXI+KXIII in wolf pack as they were ASW but no hits)



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/6/2012 4:19:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

We've tentatively settled on a house rule of no 4E bombing below 10k feet before '43 (some B-17s attacked some of his troop ships at 1k feet, without result).  He suggested that for throughout the war, but I cited the second raid on Ploesti as an example of it actually happening.  If anyone thinks I'm being unfair, please chime in.  I've attached an article about a demonstration in '38 that B-17s could intercept ships at sea.  The cloud deck was at 1,100 feet so they flew under it.  Thanks for your comments.[:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_of_the_Rex


Agreed rule no low level bombing of 4E before 1 July 1943- I still don't believe that a fully laden B17 or B24 would attack any ships at 1000ft. They would be slow and an easy target for any AA gun on a ship. The intercept in the article I suspect was done by B17s with no loaded bombs... it also needs to be remembered that the Rex was on its own rather then in a fleet/convoy and it was an intercept not an actual bombing. I hope the amount of 4E bombers getting shot down is high when this low level naval bombing begins, but I suspect the game engine wont work correclty.



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/7/2012 4:24:42 AM)

The house rule vontiger refers to may just become indefinite, as it seems to make him more unhappy than it pleases me. Perhaps he's just jealous because he doesn't have any 4Es?

Many of my ships retiring from Manila are engaging IJN CAs etc. They are valiantly trying to force them to run out of ammunition, and I think they've nearly defeated the cowardly Japanese cruisers.

Something unusual has just happened. The Lexington was patrolling about halfway between Palmyra and Canton Island when ...



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Two Japanese surface raiders, Hokoku Maru and Aikoku Maru, arrived heading SE directly toward Lexington. Oops!



geofflambert -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/8/2012 5:21:08 AM)

12/15/41 My attempts to salvage ships from Manilla and Hong Kong have fared considerably worse than the first time I engaged vontiger. The lesson appears to be don't try to get cute, just order everything to speed south as fast as possible. I have reports from Sigint telling me that there's a severe shortage of nitrocellulose in Japan right now, so perhaps those ships have procured for me an advantage.



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/8/2012 11:41:17 AM)

12/12/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 89,40- 212 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 90,49- 18 IJA to 604 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 91,39- 12 IJA to 920 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Captured Alor Star- 520 British Surrendered, 4 Blenheim I
Captured Atimonan
Captured Bayombong
Captured Guam- 12 IJA to 384 Americans Surrendered
Captured Hollandia
Bombardment Hong Kong- 77 Allies
Attacked Hwaiyin- 10 Chinese, Chinese Held
Captured Kavieng- 32 IJN to 50 Australians
Captured Manus
Attacked Mersing- 71 IJA to 116 Australians, Australians Held
Attacked Pakhoi- 97 IJN to 110 Chinese, Chinese Held
Captured Wewak

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 129 Chinese 89,56
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 4 P35A
Bomb Manila- 2 047A Dam, 3 B17D Dam, PTQ111,112,113+PY31,32,33,34,35,41 Sunk. AKL Anakan heavy damage
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing 67,97- DD John D. Ford 2 bomb Heavy fire/Dam
Naval Bombing 58,79- AK Hai Lee 3 torp sunk, AKL Halldor 2 torp sunk, AKL Soochow 3 torp sunk
Naval Bombing 101,85- AS Holland 5 bomb sunk
Naval Bombing 46,68- AKL Agnes 1 bomb

Navy
Amphibious Jolo
Amphibious Taytay
Task force comprising- CA Kinugasa 1 shell(DD Peary), CA Aoba, CA Furutaka, CA Kako 2 shell(DD Peary+AM Tanager) , DD Oboro , DD Uzuki, DD Kikuzuki, DD Yuzuki Engaged the following- DD Peary 3 Shell Heavy Dam/fires AO Pecos, AO Trinity 1 torp sunk, AM Tanager 1 Shell sunk, PG Tulsa 3 Shell Sunk, AK Si Kiang 24 Shell sunk, AV Langley 1 torp sunk
Naval battle near Dinagat- AKL Don Jose 24 shell sunk
Naval battle near Taytay- AKL Corregidor 23 Shell Sunk
Naval battle near San Jose- AKL Compagnia Filipinas 31 Shell sunk

Sub
SS KXIII attacks fleet Mersing, torps miss, ASW 5 hits, KXIV 2 hits, SS KXI 1 hit
SS KXII attacks AK Meisho Maru 4 Shell, 3 torps sunk
SS KXIII attacks AK Mikasa Maru 1 torp
SS KXI Attacks AP Hakusan maru 3 torp heavy dam, AK Eihuku Maru 1 torp Heavy dam
SS I-18 Attacks AK Tuscaloosa City 1 Shell, 1 torp heavy dam



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/8/2012 12:10:02 PM)

12/13/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked at 84,55- 2279 IJA to 162 Chinese, IJA retreated- I knew I was outnumbered but I thought my troops would have put up a better fight
Attacked 88,46- 34 IJA to 1097 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Bombardment Hong Kong- 55 Allies
Captured Hwaiyin- 173 Chinese
Captured Jolo
Captured Kweiteh
Captured Lucena
Captured Mersing- 28 IJA to 805 Australians
Captured Pakhoi- 47 IJN to 1049 Chinese
Captured Taytay
Captured Victoria Point- 143 British

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 1 P35A
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing near Saipan- AKL Escalante R 3 BombH eavy dam/fire, AKL Elcano 2 Bomb sunk, AKL Sarangami 2 bomb/1 torp sunk, AK Governor Wright 2 bomb Heavy dam/fire, AK Ravanaas 3 bomb/2 torp sunk

Navy
Amphibious Dadjangas
Naval Battle near Busuanga- AKL Paz 4 shell sunk
Naval Battle near Cam Ranh Bay- AK Hinsang 6 shell/1 torp sunk

Sub
SS I-153 attacks AK Nanning misses



vontiger -> RE: Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch (5/8/2012 12:54:43 PM)

12/14/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked at 88,46- 348 Chinese
Attacked Hong Kong- 189 IJA to 292 Allies, Allies held
Captured Dadjangas

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 126 Chinese 89,56
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 2 P35A, 1 B10B dam, O47A 1 dam+ 1 des, 2 B17D dam, SS Sealion 3 bomb, SS Searaven 4 bomb, SS Seawolf 1 bomb
Bomb Manila-
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing near Guam- AKL Tauraus 1 bomb fire

Navy
Amphibious Kudat
Amphibious Talasea
Naval Battle near Serasan- DD Fubuki 1 shell, DD shirayuki 2 shell to DD Thracian 15 Shell sunk, AKL Kanchow 22 shell sunk, AK Ming Sang 49 shell sunk

Sub
SS I-171 attacks CL Raleigh misses



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