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Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/24/2012 6:00:53 AM)

Hi,

We're making a little progress but stalled in other areas.. Still working on Palembang and Clark. Clark shouldn't be ridiculously longer. Though some might say it's been a ridiculous long time already. [:'(] Last two attacks were a 1-1:

Japanese ground losses:
1158 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 86 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1501 casualties reported
Squads: 86 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 28 (17 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (2 destroyed, 15 disabled)

And a 1-2 the next day that did:

Japanese ground losses:
1536 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 105 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (5 destroyed, 22 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1197 casualties reported
Squads: 63 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 47 (14 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 38 (23 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Looks like 63 IJ squads destroyed vs 149 US. Even the 1-2 saw 3-1 destroyed ratio. A day or two and we attack again. I also have another Infantry group coming from Japan. It'll add another 250 AV. Additionally about 200 AV of cleanup units have finished Cebu, the last island to fall in the Philippines except Luzon, is also going to head for the siege. I want to free up those troops sooner rather than later. Time is ticking! It's almost April and we haven't even touched Java yet.

A little further South we've taken the last of Celebes. Makassar fell a week ago or so and a couple days ago Kendari fell. A few naval guard units are loading up at Davao to start picking up unoccupied bases in the area. We won't go farther than Moluccas because there are enemy CV's in the area. We'll shift some of our CV's to the area later. I don't think I mentioned the outcome of the CAP trap I was attempting. It took out about 20-25 each of his CV Buffaloes and SBD's. I ended up losing a half dozen transports. Maybe we at least killed some of his good pilots.

We're doing some para-drops on unoccupied bases on the West coast of Borneo. Bandjermasin is ours. Sampit should fall tomorrow. I'll probably use paratroops to take my initial landing site on Java. That way I can land with no disruption of forces.

On Sumatra we have 53rd Division and Guards Mixed Bde on the way. If you recall, they were a part of the Borneo forces. They took Balikpapan. With the CV's in the area we're taking the long way around Borneo over to Oosthaven where they'll unload and march to the siege. I hope to get these sieges over with as soon as possible. In other areas things aren't going so well.

China we weren't able to push through in the Changsha area. We're not stopping though. We've had some victories ambushing units he's moving in from other areas. Like this set of attacks at Nanyang:

Allied Shock Attack

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
2138 casualties reported
Squads: 42 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled

And this Japanese Shock Attack:

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1941 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Units destroyed 1

I think those units got smacked down so he sent them in again to be destroyed and come back at a greater strength for free. I'll take the destroyed units though.

We're sending the tanks around the far South. It took two attacks and some Infantry helped out but three more of his units are smashed.

Japanese ground losses:
190 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 77 (3 destroyed, 74 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2139 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 246 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Japanese ground losses:
263 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 56 (1 destroyed, 55 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3964 casualties reported
Squads: 200 destroyed, 101 disabled
Non Combat: 195 destroyed, 108 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (19 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 3

That makes Kukong ours. Next up is Wuchow,Kweilin, Liuchow, and Nanning. I'm shifting some troops to the South but leaving enough in the Changsha area to keep him honest. Taking those four bases will open up a road/trail route all the way to Singapore.

For the distant future I haven't decided yet where we'll go once we get to the railroad. Recon shows Chungking with only five units. That would be amusing to capture. What would that do to his units coming back after destruction? Would they still come back or would it leave them destroyed for good?

I don't know if I explained the Burma issue I had some months ago. Our house rule was restricted Japanese, Chinese, and Indian troops could move wherever they can march, even across borders. That's why I have so many troops in China. I made a mistake about the intention of the HR and was using Thai troops in Burma. When I realized the mistake and marched them out. Consequently I had very little in theater and now he's reinforced heavily. I'm not making any progress and he's probably going to start pushing out sooner rather than later. That's one reason to get the borders open in China and end the sieges in Clark and Palembang. I need to stop him. Or I could suck him in and land behind him in Burma. That's pretty risky though. We'll only do it if we have to.

Speaking of Burma, we have CV's at Victoria Point. He keeps running bombardment TF's every week or so. We may be able to ambush him and score a big win here and knock him off his game a bit. Later on the CV's will go to cover the Java area operations but that won't kick off until Clark is taken. Sumatra will be awhile. The forces there will probably have to keep pushing to take the rest of the island.

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/26/2012 2:41:40 AM)

Hi,

Just issued orders for March 28th. The invasion bonus is almost over!

We took a few bases on Moluccas. That island is completely mine except for the two dot bases. I'll let the rowboat corps take those.

Reinforcements are moving towards the Clark siege. We got a 1-2 a couple days ago that was 1189 Japan vs 1453 Allied casualties including 85 of his squads destroyed. The end is nigh. We have almost 500 AV of reinforcements on the way. We'll attack again tomorrow when some of them have arrived. I've also transferred some Sallys from China. They're ground attacking and will help speed things up.

Palembang saw another attack two days ago. We're destroying more squads than he is but our disabled squads are crippling! Last attack I lost 2393 to his 1716. He also had a unit destroyed in the attack. Nice! That's probably most of his casualties in the last attack but we'll take whatever we can get. Reinforcements are also on the way here. I held them up for a day to wait on KB to come down and cover their run in to Oosthaven. With the SBD's operating out of Palembang I don't want to get a division sunk. We had a minor setback yesterday. Praboemoelih fell to his rowboat corps. Sigh. I picked up as much of a para unit out of Sampit and took it back to Balikpapan. They'll para drop on Praboemoelih tomorrow and take it back. I'll strat move an engineering construction unit up there. That should keep it from falling again. I plan to transport all my para units from Borneo to Oosthaven. We'll use them to drop on all the unoccupied bases on Sumatra. Should help to get things going there.

China still has forces moving around. Should arrive in Wuchow in 1-2 days. It still shows three units so I don't expect it to last long under my tanks.

Burma is the latest crisis area. You may recall I had KB stationed up at Victoria Point to try for an ambush of his bombardment TF's. KB is free from that task because he has nowhere to bombard because Frederik has pushed me out of Moulmein. I took 10,000 losses in that mess. That was my last coastal hex that had anybody in it so he's welcome to bombard empty hexes. It's all part of my devious plot to get him to run out of BB ammo. I'm building a big force of Oscars, both upgraded units and some I've transferred from China (he's not doing much there, for now). Those guys will try to CAP trap and otherwise make a nuisance of themselves once Palembang falls.

Joe



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/26/2012 3:38:00 AM)

Looks like things are going pretty well. Nice job on the CAP Trap but too bad on losing six ships for downing a bunch of his good pilots.

What large ships of his have you sunk at this point?



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/26/2012 4:05:01 AM)

Hi John,

We have sunk what you see in the picture plus about a dozen DD's. All subject to FOW, of course.

I've lost Shoho and quite a few DD's. Most around Oosthaven in those big fights when Sumatra was just starting.

Joe

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moore4807 -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/26/2012 5:30:45 AM)

Nice read and nice plan! You seem to have it working for you... One question about China, are you trying to capture resource areas or just steamrollering? I like the encirclement, just hate losing so many troops with the hammer when one month of starving them of supply will slaughter them the same without the losses to your side... Then again, I may be missing something!



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/26/2012 7:07:48 AM)

Hi Moore,

Thanks for the comments. The objective in China is to beat down the Chinese units and destroy his squads so he ends up weaker and weaker. (Steamrolling in other words.) I was hoping to encircle the Changsha area and destroy the units there. The idea was to maneuver and encircle so we could run him out of supply. For various reasons it hasn't worked yet. Now I'm more interested in holding him in place with a portion of the forces at hand and lead with the tanks farther to the west. I'm at work typing on my phone so I don't have the game available. I listed the target bases earlier. Chungking still only has six units if I recall right. That would be fun to take and we will push as far and fast as we can but it won't be a quick campaign. The likely objective, depending on how far he can push from Burma, will be to open the road/rail network between Manchuria all the war to indochina and Burma. That way I can march restricted units in to stem the tide of his offensive. I want to cut supplies to china as well.

I think what I'm getting at is we're actually on the same page. I will use the hammer when I have a likely chance of quick success. Changsha wasn't going to be quick and I knew it. With such large stacks of troops his supply shouldn't take a really long time to be exhausted. If we can still pull of an encirclement it may still be possible to bag the 60-75 units there.

As far as the plan coming together. Overall no I'm not really satisfied with my progress. I don't hold any of Burma or Java and little of Sumatra. I'd like to have lost fewer DD's but I'm happy with the surface losses I've inflicted. I'm happy with what we've accomplished in china. That's where I'm most happy with progress. Most of that progress stems from the added troops from Manchuria. But I'm still happy. :-) All I know is I've learned a great deal and next game will see a much better effort on my part. I think my next game will see me at the very least much closer to my objectives in a similar time frame.

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/28/2012 4:16:26 PM)

Hi,

We've progressed to April 1st. Let me go around the map.

China: Fairly quiet all things considered. Troops are moving around trying to get into the fight to the West of Changsha. My tank army took Wuchow and did a nice job of roughing up the three Chinese units there. My casualties were very light at 129 with 1 squad destroyed and nine vehicles. Chinese losses were:

7187 casualties reported
Squads: 158 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 100 destroyed, 137 disabled
Engineers: 25 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 71 (33 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Philippines:

At long last Clark has fallen! Yay!!! It's been a long siege. Now we start Bataan. Our losses were very light, 465 with only 2 vehicles as actual losses and the rest as disablements. US forces lost this:

12883 casualties reported
Squads: 475 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1381 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 103 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 252 (252 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 509 (509 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 36

Too bad no units were destroyed but I sure like to see the almost 1400 non combat squads destroyed. That'll help keep him from repairing his units. We're moving air support forward to Clark and will begin bombing as soon as possible. Land units will take a breather until the last couple reinforcing units make it to Clark from Manila. They are the PI cleanup crew that was a part of the Mindanao campaign. I need to start giving my campaigns code names...

Burma:

He's not pushing. I have units in the jungles or on trail hexes and pretty exposed. All he seems to do is to bomb. I don't mind. It keeps me from having to throw more troops this way to stop him from steamrolling all the way back down to Singapore. Sooner or later we will come back to this theater in a big way.

Sumatra:

We're still getting bombed at Palembang and maintaining the siege. Every now and then we deliberate attack but usually hurt ourselves worse than him. I've ordered sweeps from Oosthaven and Singapore. Each base will send 80-100 Oscars into his CAP. We should get the height advantage. I'm not one to do the strato-sweeps but I'm sending them in at 23,000 or 24,000 ft. He has well over 100 fighters here. I'd like to wear them down. If I can get air superiority here we'll send every 2E I have to this theater because I have got to get Palembang. It's second most important to me after Tokyo.

PNG:

As you recall he took back Rabaul earlier in the war. I've been ignoring this theater and he's pushed a bit further. He snuck a small transport fleet up to Hollandia and took the unoccupied base. There is two units there. I don't know what they are because he occupied the base without an attack. We had Junyo, Yamato, and Aoba at Babeldaob. They all sortied to within 5 hexes of the base but Junyo didn't launch yesterday so I sortied Yamato, Aoba, and 5 DD's into Hollandia. The 4 unescorted xAK's and two xAP's were no match and they all went under for no losses. I probably could've just sent some DD's and kept the Yamato's presence a secret but I wanted to see her in action! It was pretty awesome to see those 46cm hits and the critical damage (no kidding?) pop up on the screen! Banzai! May those be the first of many that fall to the mighty Yamato!

On a more serious note, I don't really know where I'm going to rearm her main guns. I have 4 AKE's on the way to Babeldaob but I doubt they're big enough to re-arm Yamato. Additionally what am I going to do about Hollandia? I have over 300 AV (two assault divisions) sitting at Kendari with a transport TF on the way to pick them up. I was planning on using them on Ambon but may divert them to Hollandia to, hopefully, stop the blood flow in that theater. Well, mine anyway. His guys may feel free to bleed out for all I care.

It's after 10 am now and I work nights so I'd best get to bed.

Later,

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 9:00:10 AM)

Hi,

I have issued orders for April 3rd now. Turns have been slow. I don't know why but it's a good opportunity to update the AAR!

PI: Troops are moving to Bataan for the new siege and to Clark to repair the airfield. My 2E IJA bombers are working over Bataan as best we can. They're flying from Clark with no support. I didn't want to interrupt the campaign while we move units around. It'll mean some damage to my units but I'd rather not quit bombing. Additionally I don't expect Bataan to take as long as Clark did because all his units except the CD guns that can't move from Bataan were in Clark and are as badly beat up as my guys. Worse actually. We "won".

China: We've taken Wuchow, if I didn't mention that in the last update. There were three Chinese Corps that were evicted by the tanks. We've followed them and kicked them out of the hex to the NE. They retreated to the NW. Guess which way we'll go next turn! Liuchow and Kweilen both have three units. Depending on the situation when we get there we'll pick the one with the smallest garrison or Kweilen if the garrison looks the same size in each base.

Up near Ichang we sent 5 divisions across the river to clear two Corps and a base force off our supply line. One unit was destroyed and the other two were smashed pretty hard. Looks like they were very understrength but still we managed to kill about 100 each combat and non-combat squads. Combined with the three units at Wuchang and in three days we've killed over 300 combat squads. We're doing our best to deplete their pool!

Burma: Still pretty quiet

PNG: We've spotted a few ships at Hollandia. 5 DD's are sailing from Babeldaob to see if we can catch them.

Sumatra: We've swept Palembang twice with our Oscar's from Singapore and Oosthaven. Overall losses look to be about 45 Oscars to 55 Allied of various types. Ever so slightly better than 1-1. I'm producing almost 200 Oscars a month so I feel I should be able to keep this up for longer than he can. We're going to rest a day and then send the whole bunch in again.

We haven't made a ground attack at Palembang in awhile. 53rd Division and Guards Mixed Brigade should arrive in about three days. We'll see what happens then. I may go ahead and attack once before they arrive. Maybe not. I haven't decided. Fresh troops won't hurt though! That's for certain.

KB: We're steaming to Balikpapan and should arrive next turn. We'll refuel and rearrange the TF's into a main KB including my big carriers and a second that will be the CVL's and CVE's. KB2 will sail to Babeldaob and meet up with Junyo. I have a feeling we aren't done here and I'd like a bigger force on hand if I need to stop him from pushing. KB1 will cover future endeavors in the DEI. As a quick note, Hiyo is due in 4 days and Kaga should be repaired in 21. Hiyo will go to KB2 and Kaga will go back to KB 1.

That's all I have at the moment.

Joe



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 3:23:41 PM)

Looks like things are progressing pretty well.

How are you planning organize your CVs as the new ships come on-line?



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 4:56:39 PM)

Hi John,

Next one to come online is Hiyo in a few days then there's a gap until July something when a CVL, I don't remember the name at the moment, arrives. AFter that I think it's some time in '43 before the next arrives. Until Kaga comes back online in a few weeks I'm going to keep them in two TF's. I'll have the historical Pearl Harbor CV's in one and Hiyo, Junyo, and the CVL's in the other. I may or may not keep the CVE's on the front lines. I might start using them by themselves. I haven't decided.

I'll post a picture or something showing what my CV acceleration looks like. I'm trying to get as much as I can as early as I can.

Joe



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 5:15:28 PM)

Ryuho I think is the next CVL.

Planning sounds good.



ny59giants -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 5:26:02 PM)

I place CVE Taiho (spd 21) over with my fast AOs. Train up your Vals or Kates in ASW so they can try to keep those Allied subs away. She is the slowest of the CVEs and doesn't carry any torpedoes. The extra Zeros may keep a stray PBY from getting a few torpedoes off.



Cavalry Corp -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 5:43:01 PM)

How do you get all search arcs o display like this????



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 5:52:22 PM)

Good Thinking Michael. I tend to use my CVEs to hunt, then they are HUNTED, and then they become artificial reefs....



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 6:18:54 PM)

Hi all,

ny59giants, that's a good use for Taiho. I have my AO's a bit dispersed moving fuel and oil at the moment. When I group them back up I'll probably do that.

Cavalry, search arcs are displayed with the "z" key. It came around in one of the updates. There's a great PDF reference file around here somewhere. I'll see if I can dig it up...

John, I want to have a couple CV forces roughly equal so I can split them up and use them in two areas. I've been concentrating them because they were hitting some big bases like sweeping Palembang where he has 100+ fighters. If he had some DB's or worse some Swordfish they could've gotten through my CAP. 20 Swordfish could've ended my entire CV fleet! I've had horrible luck against them! They took Kaga out of the war for 4 months with a single torpedo hit and two hits spelled doom for Shoho.

Anyway, here is what I'm accelerating as far as CV's go. Everything that is late war is accelerated because of the "discount pricing" that I get. Hiyo is so close that I quit accelerating a few turns ago and accelerated Ryoho (you were right, John). Once those two arrive I can probably accelerate they Ryukaku and still build points. I've been running real close every turn. Oh well, that's what it's for, to build ships. In August Musashi will be completed and I should be able to accelerate Taikaku.

Joe

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Empire101 -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 6:34:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ItsAMadhouse



Thanks for the comments. The objective in China is to beat down the Chinese units and destroy his squads so he ends up weaker and weaker. (Steamrolling in other words.)

Joe



This is a great long term strategy on the Asian Mainland in my opinion.
I always try and formulate my strategy around taking the ultimate prize of Chungking, thereby so seriously weakening the Chinese position, that you have the flexibility of syphoning off units to be used in other theatres.

This then compounds the problems & stress for the Allied player.

I must admit that I am very interested in this mod, and I think I'm going to set up a seperate game/mod folder and practice my nefarious plans against the AI, before taking on a PBEM game.



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 7:28:25 PM)

Hi Empire,

I agree. It certainly can't hurt. I don't have a really long term detailed plan because the situation is, obviously, always changing. So I want to try to remain flexible. Of course it would be outstanding to take Chungking and it may even be possible. There is only 6 units there at the moment. If we break through we may make a run up that direction.

Since we're on the subject I'll post a picture of the current China situation. As usual the white or black numbers are the number of Chinese units in that particular hex. You can see the "arrows" showing the Chinese units moving West all around Changsha. He's obviously aware something is going on out that way and his units are moving to meet the new threat. I don't think he'll get them here in time. I think the tanks can get to Kweilen before he can strat move his troops in. At the rate they're going they'll arrive in hex with the units they're chasing tomorrow and shock attack the next day. I expect they'll retreat to Kweilen so I'll probably have about half or so in pursuit mode. We should be in Kweilen in three days. That'll stop strat moves and Chinese are horrible against tanks so we should be there to stay!

We're using our bombers to hit his moving troops but it's pretty much just 1E's. I need to make this a higher priority, actually. IF they're in move mode we'll knock them into combat and if they're in strat mode we'll do extra damage. I've already sent my turn so the next turn we'll start using the 2E's as well. Either way I don't think they'll arrive in time.

Down in the bottom left corner you can barely see I have 2 rgt's of approx 250 AV going to shock attack tomorrow. I had one rgt there for awhile and it couldn't quite get the job done. Tomorrow we'll win or wreck the Chinese at the least. There's also a Bde headed for Pakhoi. The rgt's may be there first but either way all three will link up and head to Nanning once they've taken the other two bases. That should open up a line into IndoChina for me. It's useful in case I have to siphon some troops from China to send to the Burma theater now, rather than later. My preference is to push North and take a left at Kweiyang. I can send 10 divisions through the mountains into Burma if I want. It'll be an uphill struggle (haha) but will likely end up happening. I think it's about the only way I'll make progress in Burma. He's reinforced too heavily for the troops on hand to make any progress. I've seen at least two armored bde's there. They really roughed up a few of my divisions. One was down around 20 AV for awhile.

Anyhow, that's China.

Joe

PS Cavalry, I haven't found the link for that reference file. If you want it PM me your email and I'll send the PDF to you (that goes for anybody who's reading). I also have an economic primer PDF that I'll send if you want it too. I wish I remembered who did them because they are truly excellent resources and I'd love to give credit where it is so greatly due.

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Empire101 -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 7:42:48 PM)

Good!

Things look good. Just keep up that pressure on China.

If time and assets are are on your side the capture of Kweilin, Liuchow & Nanning make his positon in the south unsustainable.

Not only does it open up more juicy opportunities, you will have outflanked the Changsha river line, forcing him into fight or flight mode, the former, if you are careful can lead to pocketing large numbers of enemy troops.[:D]


This thread might shed some light on your aspirations in China:-
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3134109



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (6/30/2012 9:33:48 PM)

Hi,

I'm going to keep pushing until he stops me. Got a China update. Looks like I was one to two days later than I'd like to be. I'll post another picture. The situation is still ok. He managed to get some more units into Liuchow and Kweilen but it isn't overpowering. 5 in one and 7 in the other. One in between.

The shock attack will be made by 5 units totaling about 200 AV. The other 450 is in pursuit mode and will follow wherever they go. If they go West we likely crush another unit and if they go to Kweilen we're in the base and will try a deliberate attack to see what we're up against. If it's too much we dig in and wait on the infantry. Once they arrive the tanks can go mobile again.

That base to the bottom of the last picture fell, by the way. There was one part of a divided corps there and it surrendered. There's another 108 combat squads that are out of the way. We're over the 350 mark for the month. Anything else is cake. The two rgt's there are proceeding as planned to Pakhoi, then Nanning.

I may see what kind of a reaction I can provoke down South of Changsha. I could park a couple or three divisions in each of the three hexes to the W, NW, and NE (labeled A) of the dot base down there. I feel fine with dividing a division to cover the other three hexes (labeled B). Then we bomb and see what he does. :-) It might open up opportunities if he weakens himself in other areas or convince him to pull some units from the Western fight or at least keep them out of it for awhile. Could be critical. I may push in the North again too.

Anyway, here is the picture.


Joe

Edit: I forgot to mention the sweeps of Palembang went in uncoordinated. We ended up with equal losses so I'm not too upset. I lost 36 Oscars to 37 of his fighters. It breaks down to 22 P43's, 9 P40E's, 8 P39D's, 7 P400's, and 1 Hurricane. Recon only shows 50 fighters but I think it's actually around 80-90.

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Prydwen -> Polls now open! Please vote for your favorite answer to the question of the day! (7/1/2012 2:52:42 AM)

I find myself rather irritated. Nay, irritated is not strong enough! I'm quite upset. From an email from my opponent:

I notice Japanese Armor has via presut option unintentionally penetrated through jungle and reached Kwalin,
as the Supplies line is blocked at 75/55 I request them to retreat back to were they come from or that yesterdays turn is redone as you got a unpredictable result with your presuit option.

The problem with the location they have now is that they unrightfully block a important rail line. The trail or path to the base goes through hex 75/55 who is held by a Chinese corps.

I realize that this is unintentionally as we have discussed the supplies solution for armor previously but felt I had to mention it so that we do not escalate the problem. The best solution is probably just to redo yesterdays turn as moving them back out will take many days for you. To me it does not matter what you do as long as your troops do not attack until you have a supplies line established to your tanks.

This issue again. I gave him one freebie earlier in the game that probably is why he's still in Changsha (or not surrounded in Changsha). I had tanks poised to potentially take all three bases to the West of Changsha and I retreated because he raised this issue.

Not to mention he's wrong on a couple points. It absolutely was intentional and predictable. [;)]

Anybody got any ideas on what my response should be this time? Just pick a letter. A) No retreat or redo. I do what I want! B) Do a redo. C) Go halfway. Proceed with the current turn but don't attack again until the supply line is open. That's about two more days. D) None of the above. Fill in your own answer.

To cool my jets I'll compose an amusing anecdote from the great War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition. We join our reluctant heroes in the field...

IJA commander: I feel like taking a break. I've seen way more of China than I ever wanted to. Seriously it feels like I've drove a tank all the way from Manchuria! Tomorrow we'll only attack with 1/3 of our forces. They'll all crap their pants and run anyway.
IJA 2nd in command: How about the rest of us pursue. It'll be a nice leisurely drive... Unless they run into the woods.
IJA commander: I like the sound of that... Except for the woods part. Still we'd best be prepared. Everybody who is pursuing tie a few fuel drums to your tank. We'll need it to keep up. It's amazing how far these Chinamen can run! It seems like they run 50 miles a day!
IJA 2nd in command: That makes no sense, sir. We drive tanks which travel at least twice as fast as infantry. We can't make 50 miles a day on a good road. How on Earth can they run 50 miles?! We need a better physical conditioning program...
IJA commander: I know, right? Those jerks probably will probably run for the trees so they'll have "cover" the jerky jerk faces! We'd best throw a few days worth of supplies and gas on the tanks because it'll take about two days to clear our supply line.
IJA 2nd in command: It'll be like the Beverly Hillbillies moving to Beverly Hills but we'll get there. I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it!!!

Seriously though, any thoughts?

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/1/2012 5:05:52 AM)

Hi Fredrik,

Funny you mention 50 miles a day. I brought that up when I, again, asked for opinions in my AAR. I found it quite amusing. Someday when the war is over you can read it! Ah, the Hell with it! You know what? I'll put it in here. I think it's hilarious! (If I can brag on myself!:P tongue) I should write a book... :D big grin

IJA commander: I feel like taking a break. I've seen way more of China than I ever wanted to. Seriously it feels like I've drove a tank all the way from Manchuria! Tomorrow we'll only attack with 1/3 of our forces. They'll all crap their pants and run anyway.
IJA 2nd in command: How about the rest of us pursue. It'll be a nice leisurely drive... Unless they run into the woods.
IJA commander: I like the sound of that... Except for the woods part. Still we'd best be prepared. Everybody who is pursuing tie a few fuel drums to your tank. We'll need it to keep up. It's amazing how far these Chinamen can run! It seems like they run 50 miles a day!
IJA 2nd in command: That makes no sense, sir. We drive tanks which travel at least twice as fast as infantry. We can't make 50 miles a day on a good road. (In tanks for crying out loud!) How on Earth can they run 50 miles?! We need a better physical conditioning program...
IJA commander: I know, right? Those jerks probably will probably run for the trees so they'll have "cover" the jerky jerk faces! We'd best throw a few days worth of supplies and gas on the tanks because it'll take about two days to clear our supply line.
IJA 2nd in command: It'll be like the Beverly Hillbillies moving to Beverly Hills but we'll get there. I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it!!!

And that's why my name is ItsAMadHouse. :P tongue

Anyhow, I'm going to quote an email I sent the last time we had this issue.

Well, I’ve made my decision on how I will proceed. You aren’t getting everything you want. Neither am I. Although you raise valid points we did not and still do not have any rules governing the supply movement aspects of the game. Therefore I will continue to use my units as I see fit but will make an effort to pay better attention to the realities that the supply movement model cannot accurately depict...



...So, if there are any other issues you feel need brought up now is the time to do it. A fourth time where I am expected to give with little gain is highly unlikely if it isn’t brought up now. And I don’t want you to think I’m accusing you of anything and I'm quite happy with the way things are in our game. I’m a maintainer. We’re a plain and simple folk so I tend to speak plainly, simply, and honestly. And I tell you truly that I am greatly enjoying this game. I’m learning a tremendous amount and becoming a better player because of it.



With all that said, I consider the supply issue closed. And I’m happy to say the war is back on!

I’ve highlighted the parts I feel are important. I said I would "try" to do better. I didn't say that you would like how hard or how well I try. I saw fit to use a part of my tanks in pursuit mode. You don't like the result. Earlier I feel I had an excellent shot at taking the 3 bases to the West of Changsha earlier in the game. I retreated and I absolutely did not like the result. I feel Changsha would at the minimum be surrounded if I had pressed on as I intended. Obviously you couldn't predict this situation and bring it up earlier but I was serious when I said there probably wouldn't be a fourth time when I get no gain from the situation.

Again I'd like to point out, that I'm in aircraft maintenance in the military. And I'm a sergeant. We're supposed to be plain speaking and get-to-the-point people. Please, please don't take any offense. I absolutely do not mean anything that even remotely sounds like it might even possibly be a personal attack to be taken as such. I'm enjoying our game a great deal. I've learned so much in the few months we've been playing. And may I say, if you weren't speaking English as a second language, we wouldn't even be playing. I have English and a few words of Spanish. So, thanks for learning English so we can play a game. :) happy

However, it seems to me that you have mistakenly, I am sure, broken your own rules. For example; the troops from the Balikpapan garrison and Bandjermasin garrison. I realize they aren't tank or motorized units and all that that entails however, their nearest supply source is over 300 miles away (and, I'm only speculating here, probably low on supply) through some of the most dense and rough jungle in the world. :) happy

So, to close, I will offer a choice. A one or the other choice. Neither one may please you but that's the way it is. It is a war after all. We have a saying, "You have to play the cards you're dealt." The choice is to continue on with the current turn as is. The other option is do a redo. However. If you choose a redo, I will no longer follow the 4 month max advancement of airframes. Like I said, it's highly unlikely I'll give for no gain again and when we made that agreement I had already made a great deal of conversions to my R&D factories.

So, how do you want to proceed? Do you give some now or more later?

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/1/2012 2:39:02 PM)

Hi,

Neither of us wants to be a pushover it seems. I hope to see the game continue or restart completely. But this may be the end. [sm=sign0063.gif]

I'll just post his email and my reply.

quote:

Hi buddy


Regarding the Dutch troops at Balikapapan they are dead and I moved them to you so you could kill them. (If they are there they can give intelligence, or DL bonus on nearby bases and units) so I try to move them to you for destruction. Once Balikapapan fell I started pulling them back to avoid the DL bonus, and once I saw you had troops enough i Balikapapan ect i started moving some back to you so you can kill them. Some move to Bandermeisen for same phurpess BUT i did not want to send everyone to same base in case you would not have enough troops to successfully be able to kill them.





I don’t want to be a pain in the ***, but to me it is very important that the game is played in a somewhat realistic manner. This is the reason for why I prefer to have a cap on
AC rehear (many make 1944 models in early 1943.. it is true, I have seen it in other games before). AND Reluctant Admiral already accelerate most models by several months anyway from the start.



Regarding the land war, I feel we both would benefit from not seeing it as a flat board with open terrain. But instead see it as what it is trying to display to us, here is jungle.. here is mountain ect. And then to conduct our movements accordingly.

If the IJA could have siced the area around changcha on 4 months I’m pretty sure they would have done so some time between 1937 and 1941. Your super Japanese troops has been given an acceleration as you can move troops from Manchuria at will, and I said that because I think you should be given that ability - however I then had in mind that we would play the land war at least with the fycical limitations in mind. (like terrain obstacles).

If this was the steppes of Russia or the fields of France you would hads no complaint from me, or Evan southern China were there is lots of Farmland hexes... but I do not feel we can blitz attack through 50 miles of uber dence jungle with tanks, it is at least not a kind of game that I would like to be part of.

I think that you would agree with me, Tank war in china was not possible in the way you conduct it in reality because of the terrain issues and the
walking-human-and-donkey based supplies chain.

I want opposition, that is why I recommended Reluctant Admiral, but I feel that it becomes a little to unrealistic for my taste if we ignore the terrain features in this way.
If you would play the Chinese camping with the terrain obstacles in mind your progress would been more realistic, but still significant since you have been given lots of extra
divisions because of Reluctant Admiral and then another bunch of divisions because of the unlimited Mansuko.



I appology that I did not bring this up before the game started, both this and the Aircraft research was to me so fundamental basics of the game that I though it was an absolutely given that those two considerations automatically would apply, that no house rule or discussion about it for that reason not would be needed.
I obviously should brought it up anyway, I of course realize that.


I am unable to pick between either of the options so I think our game have come to an end.
I think that is very sad as I enjoy the game very very much but the lack of realism on this area will be to much for me to be able to continue it.
It would also not be fair to you as you have other values and another acceptance for lack of realism then I do, and it is of course only my fault that I did not check this with you before the game started.

As far as I can say a House rule forcing us to pay attention to the terrain is the only way this game can continue, as this then permanently will resolve the problem.


Fredrik


And my reply:
quote:


Hi,

I'll make one last offer because it's an unfortunate situation and I would dislike seeing our game end over something so silly. :)) laughing (Sorry if the face is inappropriate. I think it's funny. That's the only reason it's in this email.) It's as ridiculous to think that those Chinese units could retreat 50 miles in one day through any terrain as it is for tanks to pursue through that jungle. You can't control the one and I can't control the other. It's a failure of the game engine. Not you or me.

Option 1 is I will allow a redo and wherever my research goes is where it goes. Meaning I won't even touch aircraft R&D from now on. By my count I've altered 17 factories. If that means Shinden's will arrive in Dec 42 it's a risk you'll have to take. Or maybe I didn't advance Shinden! Maybe it all went into the Ki-201!!!!! >:) devil >:) devil >:) devil

Option 2. We do a complete restart of our game with a better understanding of what each other expects. I actually wouldn't mind this option. I may even prefer it. We would, of course, want to re-discuss house rules. And we could us the stacking limits map. That should help ease the issue we have right now. It would still be there but I think would be easier controlled. And I look back at the things I've done and think I could've (and should've) done so much better!

Option 3. Quit the game and go our separate ways.

I hope that we can continue in some fashion or the other. Believe it or not I'm not trying to be an *** either! (Or a pushover.) I can tell you truly I've enjoyed this game more than any other I've ever played! I started playing a human again for the entertainment and so I would get better at the game. I feel I've accomplished both. The better at the game part is mostly due to you being such a tough opponent! Whatever choice you make I hope there are no hard feelings. I have come to consider you a friend. Should the day ever come where you find yourself in Wichita know that you'll have a place to stay.

Joe



Here's hoping we can continue.

Joe



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/1/2012 3:24:19 PM)

Hmmm...'tis a puzzlement! Don't understand his issues to be truthful. OK. They are obvious but normal for AE. The ground stuff is well...

What EXTRA Divisions are he talking about in RA? Does he mean the SNLF Assault Divisions? JUST TO CLARIFY: We pooled the original SNLF units into Brigades, however, to get them to divide back down to their components the Editor forced me to place them into the slot of 'divisions.' There are the EXACT same number of SNLF troops within RA as the real Japanese had in the war. We simply constructed them into having the ability of making them into a larger Shock Unit.

I think that makes sense...



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/1/2012 4:09:17 PM)

You make perfect sense John. I smell what you're stepping in!

I don't know. I have not heard back from him yet. And I hope nobody thinks I'm trying to knock him as a person or an opponent. He seems a good guy and he's a good tough opponent. We obviously don't see eye to eye on all things but I doubt any two people in the world do. And in his defense he told me he has played the same opponent for the past 6 or 7 years. Would you remember to bring up every last possible detail that you decided on 7 years ago? Or even 2? Me neither.

My issue is mainly that some concerns have been raised throughout the game always after the fact and I've conceded the issue every time. I'm done being a pushover. We made rules at the beginning of the game. It's unfair to me to keep changing them whenever I'm presented with an advantage.

With that said Fredrik is probably right! You probably can't keep large numbers of tanks supplied through that jungle or woods? I never actually checked. I that a forest or jungle hex? Whatever. It doesn't matter. It is just as unrealistic for tanks to move 50 miles through the jungle as it is for infantry to retreat the same 50 miles on foot! I said as much in one of my emails. It's a function of the game engine and I can't change it any more than I can change the load/unload rates for ports or the rules on spoilage of supplies no matter how much I like or dislike it.

In some ways I'm glad this came up. It was going to be an issue again sooner or later. If the minutia is going to be a deal breaker I'd rather it is now that two years down the road. We'll just have to wait and see what he says. I really think a total restart with a serious and very detailed discussion of house rules is the best way to go. I have been considering picking up a second game because of things I've learned from this one. It's the never ending quest for the perfect opening.

Anyway. Off the soap box. Back to sleep hopefully. 10 am is way too early for a night shift guy to be awake!

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/2/2012 12:29:57 AM)

Hi,

Fredrik is thinking on the matter and will get back to me sometime in the next 24 hours or so. We may still have a game.

Joe



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/2/2012 5:00:35 PM)

Hi,

I'm sorry to say we are game over. It's been an awesome ride and I salute my opponent. He gave me one tough fight!

Best of luck to you in your future games, Fredrik!

Joe



John 3rd -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/2/2012 8:19:57 PM)

This is too bad. Good Thoughts and try to give it another whirl!



Prydwen -> RE: Enthusiastically Sailing With Jerry (Reluctant Admiral) (7/3/2012 2:19:52 AM)

Hi,

I'm going to take a week or two and play around with the map with stacking limits. After I see how that changes things I'll look for an opponent. You can't get rid of me that easily! [:D]

Joe



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