Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (Full Version)

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bigbaba -> Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (4/29/2012 8:33:13 PM)

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hi folks,

widukind and me are both german players and start a new 41-45 servergame with the latest patch version. he takes the command of the OKW and i will try to do it better then the STAVKA.

most of the house rules are about restriction of soviet paratroops, sea landings and AF/HQ attacks with the air forces.

we are in turn 4 now and all i can say is that he is a very good player who did very limited number of mistakes so far. he is fast and gives me little opportuinity to slow his advance.

here is the first turn:

TURN 1

EDIT: changed the fonts and few other things for better visibility.

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bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/29/2012 9:09:00 PM)

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TURN 2

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bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/29/2012 9:46:56 PM)

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TURN 3

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Farfarer61 -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/29/2012 10:38:47 PM)

Great smart and thought out 'selective counter-attack'. IMHO the key to 1941 'success' as Soviet. Reasonably worthy units, unity of command, deliberate attack, 1=2 ( and it is just fine as it is now) means limited victories which add up strategically.



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/29/2012 10:50:03 PM)

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TURN4

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bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 1:41:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Farfarer

Great smart and thought out 'selective counter-attack'. IMHO the key to 1941 'success' as Soviet. Reasonably worthy units, unity of command, deliberate attack, 1=2 ( and it is just fine as it is now) means limited victories which add up strategically.


thanks. my fear is that he manages to break through and pocket the western front. i think the key for russians in 41 is to know when to fight and when to retreat.

btw:

revamped the entire AAR für better visibility. i like this comic style fonts.



CarnageINC -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 4:58:08 AM)

Wow Bigbada, you really gave the German player a lot of credit by doing a massive Sir Robinsky.  Its turn 4 and he's already at the Dnepr in the south [X(].  IMO that might give you a bite in the arse.  Your level of fortification will not be high enough along with your units ability to withstand attacks to hold him from crossing in a week or two max.  You might hold him off from gaining to much territory by retreating a few hexs and build a line or checkerboard.  Just far enough to keep him from enveloping your forces and then retreat again.  It will be interesting to watch your defensive tactics.  Please don't take offense to my posting just giving you my thoughts.  Good luck sir. [;)]



CarnageINC -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 4:59:05 AM)

I should note that punching him in the nose occasionally is a great thing to keep the German player in place [;)]



vicberg -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 5:36:05 AM)

Nothing wrong with the Sir Robin. A note though. You have too much defending the south. You can checkerboard east of the Denpr, once he crosses it and use the logistical dead zone for the Germans as a part of that defense. There's parts of it that you can put minimal defenses accross. It's just hexes of open terrain. He won't have the fuel to exploit.

In the next few turns, you'll be getting tons of reinforcements, but right now, they are needed at AGC and AGN. A checkerboard with half the troops can hold the Denpr and south long enough. You'll lose Stalino, etc.. Just make sure you get your factories out first.

You should shift the south to north. You have solid defenses in AGC, but you need reserve lines. Checkerboards behind the front lines and/or carpets will prevent encirclements. especially if those units are in reserve mode.

It's a little too late, but it's good to build forts along the Volga River in front of Leningrad. Your fort line is far back. He'll attack the northern part of that line and move to isolate Lgrad. He only needs to take 3 hexes.



gids -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 11:37:33 AM)

from my expirience ,giving that much ground away in the south youl pay dearly :p very dearly,but lets hope for the best



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 2:45:10 PM)

thanks for the input so far guys.

maybe i gave up too much space. we will see.

the problem is that i am not someone who can "defend forward".

from playing style and personality i prefer a heavy static defense with all 50+ moral units in reserve modus.

next turn i try to attack and insult some of his fast divisions in the south at the dnjepr line with some attacks. and in the next turns most of the reinforcment will go to the centeral front. about leningrad: when i manage to hold the city until turn 9-11 i count that as a success.



gids -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 2:49:22 PM)

dont forget to put all your infantry units in Refit first three turns ,al Your Su units on 50% and all HQ(MD ones) you dont need on 50% aswell ,start disbanding your SAD when you can that will boost your frontlines



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 2:57:50 PM)

all INF units?

well...too late for that.:)

the only units at refit from turn 1 on were the ones at the landbridge/dnjepr line. that explaing their relativly high CV. in turn 2 i set the 3 reserve armies around moscow at refit and also the new army digging around leningrad.

beside that i did following things in turn 1:

-all air groups went to reserve. in turn 2 i started to equip western front with a high number of my best fighters and bombers and all WS air bases with recon+ IL4 (as night transporters for the partisans)
-all SEC units at 50%.
-all AT/ART units at 80% to save a little bit ARM.

now i should do some micromanagment and set the ART units at western front at 100% but they have already a very high number of guns. just look at the last 2 attacks with 1800 and 2200 guns. damnd i cant wait to build ART divisions.:)



gids -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (4/30/2012 3:38:05 PM)

the first 3 turns you get massive reinforcements and its np for the SU player ,that way you can start early with digging in ,try it out in singleplayer :)



AFV -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (5/1/2012 12:57:20 PM)

I like your AAR. Very good presentation.

However, I think you gave up a bit too much territory. You should use the natural rivers to slow the German units. This is from more experienced players than me but I think you need to ZOC German units. I think of it as an attack, since they will take attrition losses. Use low quality units, low concentration, dont give the German anything really worth surrounding and isolating. If they get shattered, thats not that big of a loss, if they get routed, Using the rivers will add lots of expended MP to the German, either by attacking across them or moving across while in a ZOC.



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (5/1/2012 8:16:21 PM)

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TURN 5

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Walloc -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (5/1/2012 9:01:43 PM)

I fear that u will find that the germans, once the inf comes up will blast through lvl 2 and 3 forts up at Leningrad.

Kind regards,

Rasmus



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA) (5/1/2012 9:32:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Walloc

I fear that u will find that the germans, once the inf comes up will blast through lvl 2 and 3 forts up at Leningrad.

Kind regards,

Rasmus


well i dont have the intention to hold leningrad at all cost. i think realistic and expect the city to fall sooner or later.

the point ist (flaviusx wrote it right in another topic) that one need to hold leningrad as long as possible to save moscow.

now he has 3 lines of heavy defended terrain to cross and that against a lot of troops with 50+ moral in reserve modus. also i did a lot of recon flights in the north and discoverd only a few INF DIV SW of leningrad. lets say he needs 2 more turns to get everything in position and 3-4 turns more to break through the fort lines. that would be turn 10-11 then when the city falls and because of this delay he has only 3 turns to use PG4 against moscow.

i think the battle of moscow is decided at leningrad.



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/2/2012 8:54:26 PM)

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TURN 6

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gids -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/3/2012 9:46:10 PM)

nice presentation of the AAR :)



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/4/2012 9:36:17 PM)

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TURN 7

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Vorsteher -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/5/2012 10:19:02 AM)

Na, Leningrad wird wohl fallen, Moskau wird halten.



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/5/2012 12:35:55 PM)

Schauer ma mal.:)

Er hat noch 10 Runden für Moskau.

that means:

lets wait and see. the german "soccer kaiser" is famous for this line.:)

my opponent still has 10 turns of clear "panzer-weather" to reach moscow.

the overal summary after 7 turns:

-loses: very light. thats a positive fact about this game.

-terrain lost: not happy about that. it seems that i gave up too much without a fight. we will see the impact of that in the further develpoment of the game.

-north: situation is OK. turn 7 and he will for sure need at least 2-3 other turns to catch the city. that means only 7 turns time for him to throw the PG4 into the anticipated battle of moscow. btw: i got every single factory out of leningrad by now.

-middle: not happy about that. i had the hope to hold out at least 2-3 turns longer at the dnjepr-landbridge-line. we will see how effective my checkboard defense with the western front troops is. reserve front under shukow is realy strong (630.000 men, 8000 guns and 900 tanks) and should give the HGM a good fight for their money.

-south: realy good start here. the dnjepr line is still under soviet control although he seems to have a panzer concentration north of kiev. i have to retreat in the next turns to avoid the fate of the russian troops around kiev in the real war. also i got alomst all industry out of kiev, and the D/Z area. few ARM factories are still working in stalino and also the factories in charkov are producing stuff. this are my next objects of evacuation.



Esslingen_slith -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/5/2012 9:58:30 PM)

I whish you all the best against him.
It is very interesting to see how different this game resolves than my game against him!



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/7/2012 11:47:57 AM)

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TURN 8

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CarnageINC -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/7/2012 3:41:39 PM)

It appears your opponent like to use his mobile forces for attrition warfare!  Your lucky he hasn't brought some down south to break your Dnepr line.  It appears your holding your line well [;)].



Tarhunnas -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/9/2012 10:17:47 AM)

Interesting AAR. You are almost at the same stage as I am in my game against BigAnorak, but the games are very different. I am fighting more forward, and have consequently lost more troops, but your terrain losses make me chew my nails. [;)]



bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/9/2012 10:52:42 AM)

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TURN 9

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bigbaba -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/9/2012 10:53:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

Interesting AAR. You are almost at the same stage as I am in my game against BigAnorak, but the games are very different. I am fighting more forward, and have consequently lost more troops, but your terrain losses make me chew my nails. [;)]



well i have some doubt if that was the correct strategy. but as i said i am not a "forward defender". everytime i try this it ends in a disaster.:)



Tarhunnas -> RE: Decision in the East. Widukind (OKW) against Bigbaba (STAVKA). No Widukind (5/9/2012 2:56:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bigbaba


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

Interesting AAR. You are almost at the same stage as I am in my game against BigAnorak, but the games are very different. I am fighting more forward, and have consequently lost more troops, but your terrain losses make me chew my nails. [;)]



well i have some doubt if that was the correct strategy. but as i said i am not a "forward defender". everytime i try this it ends in a disaster.:)


It worked fine for me, BUT the last time I played Soviet was under 1.05, so it might well turn into a disaster this time... we will see [:)]



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