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treespider -> Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 3:00:28 AM)

Just a quick poll for Japanese players... especially those who have progressed through the mid to late campaign time frame -

1. What is your PEAK HI USE (not production) on a daily basis?

2. What is your average HI Use on a daily basis?

2. What are you spending those points on?



treespider -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 12:47:46 PM)

88 views and no responses...c'mon guys



castor troy -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 12:54:19 PM)

I would comment if I could, but I haven't touched the IJ side so far. [:D]



USSAmerica -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 2:05:38 PM)

Allied player here. [;)]



KenchiSulla -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 2:30:16 PM)

I would say peak and average are quite close to each other. Currently I am using around 2100 HI for production, 2000 HI for pilot training. I got arms manufacturing turned off as I have a very large stockpile and am not taking many losses in the ground war so far (China is pretty quiet).

It is a PBEM, december 1943. I don't really mind my opponent seeing the data as I have told him already that I got good stockpiles.. Truth is I will run out of good pilots and ships before I run out of HI..

The reason I keep producing that much HI is because I can really use the supplies that come with it...



[image]local://upfiles/30342/974CB512E3CD41E49DEA449A79DEFAF0.jpg[/image]



nashvillen -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 2:30:59 PM)

I am in early Jan 44 in one game. My opponent knows my economy is strong, so I don't feel like I am giving anything away here. I don't have my tracker at work and will post more details after two after work meetings late this evening. In a nutshell: I am producing approximately 1000 planes a month that are mostly single engine and no four engine. My armaments and vehicles are just enough to keep ahead of the curve on the demand. My Naval shipyards are about 4000 HI a day and my merchant shipyards are around 3000 HI a day. I am putting 4000 HI a day away, of which approximately half pays the mortgage at the beginning of the month. The rest goes into the bank of which is well on its way to my second million in the bank. I will post a tracker chart to show you.

The fact that I am doing so well is not me, but the others here who have been so helpful in figuring this out. All the credit is to them! Thanks guys.



treespider -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 3:44:46 PM)

Thanks for the responses so far...

FYI this information will be used for a "complete" overhaul of the Economy in my mod.



Captain Cruft -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 6:37:06 PM)

Can you define "mid to late"? I am at the cusp of 1943.



inqistor -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 8:49:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: treespider

Just a quick poll for Japanese players... especially those who have progressed through the mid to late campaign time frame -

1. What is your PEAK HI USE (not production) on a daily basis?

I am guessing it goes up with time, as Japan produces more, and more planes, and engines. Maybe someone should calculate cost of all repaired R&D plane, and engine factories, add initial armament, vehicles, and shipyards expenses, add average pilots raining cost, and compare it with overall HI production?

Also, more interesting question would be:
What was HISTORICAL HI usage?

To scale it into game.



BLurking -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 9:04:39 PM)

Here's my industry as of 12/43. Looks like I've got some stockpiling to do...

[image]local://upfiles/15858/56FFB950B7C84C0CA9B42920E1A380C3.jpg[/image]



treespider -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 9:49:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Can you define "mid to late"? I am at the cusp of 1943.



Works for me...



treespider -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 9:50:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: inqistor

quote:

ORIGINAL: treespider

Just a quick poll for Japanese players... especially those who have progressed through the mid to late campaign time frame -

1. What is your PEAK HI USE (not production) on a daily basis?

I am guessing it goes up with time, as Japan produces more, and more planes, and engines. Maybe someone should calculate cost of all repaired R&D plane, and engine factories, add initial armament, vehicles, and shipyards expenses, add average pilots raining cost, and compare it with overall HI production?

Also, more interesting question would be:
What was HISTORICAL HI usage?

To scale it into game.



And young padwan why do you think I am polling for this information?



inqistor -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 9:58:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: treespider


quote:

ORIGINAL: inqistor

quote:

ORIGINAL: treespider

Just a quick poll for Japanese players... especially those who have progressed through the mid to late campaign time frame -

1. What is your PEAK HI USE (not production) on a daily basis?

I am guessing it goes up with time, as Japan produces more, and more planes, and engines. Maybe someone should calculate cost of all repaired R&D plane, and engine factories, add initial armament, vehicles, and shipyards expenses, add average pilots raining cost, and compare it with overall HI production?

Also, more interesting question would be:
What was HISTORICAL HI usage?

To scale it into game.



And young padwan why do you think I am polling for this information?

Answer is not that easy, when compared to game, because players tend to stop quite lots of armament, and shipyard production, of which historical Japan did neither.

Actually, to simulate poor pilots quality, economy should probably crash in late 1943 (no enough HI for pilot training).



Commander Stormwolf -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 11:21:03 PM)


make separate HI points for AC (duralumin) and ships/vehicles (steel)

right now japanese player can stop ships / armaments and build more planes instead (wrong)



Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (4/30/2012 11:56:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf


make separate HI points for AC (duralumin) and ships/vehicles (steel)

right now japanese player can stop ships / armaments and build more planes instead (wrong)


[image]http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/Sterntaenzer/DeadHorse.gif[/image]



PaxMondo -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 12:07:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin



[image]http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/Sterntaenzer/DeadHorse.gif[/image]

Classic. Thanks!!!

[&o][&o][&o]



geiramk -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 12:25:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf


make separate HI points for AC (duralumin) and ships/vehicles (steel)

right now japanese player can stop ships / armaments and build more planes instead (wrong)


[image]http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/Sterntaenzer/DeadHorse.gif[/image]


And who gets to determine whether it's dead or not? Set the agenda and rule the world!



Captain Cruft -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 1:48:28 AM)

Scen 2 (stock) at Dec 30 1942.

It's a quiet game and I have only done moderate expansions. Nothing is turned off except Yamatos but I feel very comfortable.

[image]local://upfiles/11369/CCB455A0F4044A589561C2A8B8D7708B.jpg[/image]



Captain Cruft -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 1:58:05 AM)

FWIW here is what I would do. It's quite drastic, but I think that's what is needed.

Stop Refineries producing Supply.
Make Light Industry require a lot more Resources, +50% or even +100%.
Make Heavy Industry only produce 1 HI pt instead of 2.
Change industry repair values to 5,000 Supply per point across the board, except for aircraft which is hard-coded.

As a consequence you would have to significantly reduce the pilot replacement rate, but that's realistic IMO.

On the Allied side I would suggest seriously reducing the practically infinite quantities of supply and fuel which are available right from the start.



Hanzberger -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 2:25:29 AM)

DAMM, Looking at some of those supply numbers with envy~! [&o]

AHHH, I mean Japan should start off with 1 Quadzillion supplies... [:D]



nashvillen -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 4:02:27 AM)

Here is my 6 JAN 44 Industry Chart:

[image]http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/nashvillen/440106IndustryChart.jpg[/image]



PaxMondo -> RE: Japanese HI Use....Poll (5/1/2012 5:37:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Scen 2 (stock) at Dec 30 1942.

It's a quiet game and I have only done moderate expansions. Nothing is turned off except Yamatos but I feel very comfortable.

In Scen 2 wait until 44 and 45. The pilots costs are VERY high.



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