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Tarhunnas -> RE: The Great Patriotic AAR (no BigAnorak please) (5/14/2012 9:50:32 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
I too am very surprised at the low infantry CVs in AGC.
Leningrad will probably fall, but you've done a great job keeping him busy up there. He can't get stuff out of there in time to hit Moscow now. It's a pity you didn't try to hold up the Finns by the chokepoint up north, though. Otherwise you could just sit tight on the Volkhov. With them at the Svir, your position becomes very sketchy up north and may force a withdrawal further than really necessary up there.
I haven't thought of that. I usually just move the units there down to the front against the Germans, every unit will tell, and delaying the Finns will just generate avoidable casualties. But I see your point.
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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
My sense is that AGN wasn't reinforced at all, which shows you just how hard it is to hold Leningrad even against a stock AGN. (It can be done I believe, I've done it, but only against a stock AGN and only with a major commitment up north.)
Generally speaking, I'm doubting that spreading the panzers out like this is the best way to play the Axis. Bob doesn't have enough armor up north, center or south to deliver dramatic results. Grinding on a broad front may just not be good enough, grinding in combination with mass concentrations of armor in given sectors is better imo. Certainly AGN and AGS have had a much more difficult time of it without borrowing armor from AGC. The logistics in the center are such that the big Moscow push has to wait until mid August anyways, so I don't see the payoff in keeping all of Hoth and Guderian in the center. Smashing the flanks and then reconcentrating for Moscow when the rails get to Smolensk just seems more effective to me.
I think it is not really the dispersal of the panzer groups, as IMHO each PG is much a self contained fist, but somehow the tactics haven't been working out for the Germans. I have not been off balance, and if the Soviets is not outmaneuvered and off balance, they can cook up all kinds of nasty trouble for the Axis.
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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
For the love of God, garrison Moscow. That's just asking for trouble, and it's a rookie mistake you shouldn't be making, you're too good for that.
We are communists! We don't love god! [:D] But you do have a point, I should have put one more unit in Moscow, but the nearest panzers are down at Orel, not gassed up as far as I can see, and three lines of Soviets at the riverlines in front of them, so I doubt it is even theoretically possible for them to get to Moscow. But, the Germans can pull nasty tricks, so you are right, it was an oversight on my part.
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