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ny59giants -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/4/2013 6:08:59 PM)

While the Allies had the faster fighters, the quality of Japanese fighters was good enough to take advantage of your superior numbers. In many A2A results, the shear numbers involved will be telling.

Katha - I would pull back to just the hex due west of this base and re-position troops from this effort.



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 12:06:26 PM)

Jan 5, 1943

Erik, Micheal, Koniu,

i think he had P-38s and Hellcats on LRCAP at 31,000, while the spits and the P-47s were on sweep.
The P-47s are a killer, as we all know, but a good combo of layered CAP and the Frank-Rs can keep up the fight long enough IMHO. I have reserves and i have numbers. The quality of my pilots is pretty good and, playing on the defensive, i can save most of them and keep the quality rising.
Just think that the 3 N1K2 groups operating in Burma have an avg experience of 70!!! They've been there since the beginning of the war and have accumulated, among the three of them, more than 1000 Kills!!!! They are the real Flying circus!
Micheal, Katha has a railroad station and i need to keep them off if i want to use it to shift troops and, ultimately, to escape. That's why i'm keeping my units away that far east.
Cap, may be unrealistic, but i guess those chinese units advancing on my front do not have any supply...or very little. So i'm not that scared if you ask me. I wanna hold untill the Monsoon season... if i manage to keep these positions untill may, then everything is possible!

Turns are pretty quiet. Some APAs spotted near Hansa Bay but nothing much... Vanimo fell two days ago and now he has free hands there.. but my KB is close and the first Sentai of 23 D4Y4s, aboard CV Katsuragi is now operative, while the first two sentais of Helens have been converted to Peggy-T and started the training session for the IJA pilots... can't wait!
The economy is still running pretty smooth. A cargo with 700k fuel just finished its unloading process at Sasebo, while our industries keep on pumping planes and engines at a very good rate. The R&D program is almost over. In 30 days we'll have the J2M5 online, the Grace and the Oscar IV° (with 2 centerlined 20mm cannons and 360 mhp fast!!!). A word on the Oscar IV... it's a wonderfull plane if you ask me. It's fast as a George, its cannons are deadly precise and better than any navy cannon. It carries 2x250kg bombs and can easily deal with an Hellcat. Its only Achille's heel is its durability... 23... but, considering how easy is to produce it, i think it's a better plane than the Tojo IIc. Planning to use it extensively!
No signs of the allied CVs... he keeps on bombing Kaimana where a Marine Corp (1 Marine Division and 1 Oz divisions) are being stuck on the beaches for more than a month.
Kaimana and the recent CV battle gave me the time i needed to move my divisions back. Now we have a division at Tau-Enlandien (sp?!) and one more division on the islands between it and Menado. Menado is growing stronger every day and Davao finally recieved 100k supplies and some 10 engineers units... The new perimeter is growing stronger every day... I'm trying to learn from Obvert-Joc's match here...
Sumatra recently recived a big supply convoy...
To be honest, i'm pretty happy


Post scriptum: my holydays finally started! I'm writing on my I-pad aboard my little boat in the middle of the mediterranean sea... Could life be better than this?!![:D]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 12:12:08 PM)

The two pictures of the 202 and 251 Ku-S-1 sentais operating in Burma... not bad

[image]local://upfiles/37890/CD3888E154B744C78C5D756A14172987.jpg[/image]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 12:25:04 PM)

and this is what we've sunk so far...

[image]local://upfiles/37890/99BCFFA6226249C7844A920ACB7FD1A9.jpg[/image]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 12:25:37 PM)

and this is what we've sunk so far...



JocMeister -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 8:00:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Jan 5, 1943

Erik, Micheal, Koniu,

i think he had P-38s and Hellcats on LRCAP at 31,000, while the spits and the P-47s were on sweep.
The P-47s are a killer, as we all know, but a good combo of layered CAP and the Frank-Rs can keep up the fight long enough IMHO. I have reserves and i have numbers. The quality of my pilots is pretty good and, playing on the defensive, i can save most of them and keep the quality rising.
Just think that the 3 N1K2 groups operating in Burma have an avg experience of 70!!! They've been there since the beginning of the war and have accumulated, among the three of them, more than 1000 Kills!!!! They are the real Flying circus!



I think you are in a good position! Q-ball really dropped the ball (heh! [:D]) on the air war by giving away "easy kills" for you to gain experience on. So now he has to take on a air force with at least the same quality of pilots as he has. But he canīt afford the increased losses in airframes that this has led to.



BBfanboy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 8:56:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Jan 5, 1943

Erik, Micheal, Koniu,

i think he had P-38s and Hellcats on LRCAP at 31,000, while the spits and the P-47s were on sweep.
The P-47s are a killer, as we all know, but a good combo of layered CAP and the Frank-Rs can keep up the fight long enough IMHO. I have reserves and i have numbers. The quality of my pilots is pretty good and, playing on the defensive, i can save most of them and keep the quality rising.
Just think that the 3 N1K2 groups operating in Burma have an avg experience of 70!!! They've been there since the beginning of the war and have accumulated, among the three of them, more than 1000 Kills!!!! They are the real Flying circus!



I think you are in a good position! Q-ball really dropped the ball (heh! [:D]) on the air war by giving away "easy kills" for you to gain experience on. So now he has to take on a air force with at least the same quality of pilots as he has. But he canīt afford the increased losses in airframes that this has led to.

Nobody is giving credit to Greyjoy here ... he created this situation by hoarding his best pilots early in the game and managing his aircraft development very well. He made the hard choices on holding up ship construction so that he would have the HI to devote to training pilots and building aircraft. Kudos, GJ! [&o][&o][&o]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:02:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Jan 5, 1943

Erik, Micheal, Koniu,

i think he had P-38s and Hellcats on LRCAP at 31,000, while the spits and the P-47s were on sweep.
The P-47s are a killer, as we all know, but a good combo of layered CAP and the Frank-Rs can keep up the fight long enough IMHO. I have reserves and i have numbers. The quality of my pilots is pretty good and, playing on the defensive, i can save most of them and keep the quality rising.
Just think that the 3 N1K2 groups operating in Burma have an avg experience of 70!!! They've been there since the beginning of the war and have accumulated, among the three of them, more than 1000 Kills!!!! They are the real Flying circus!



I think you are in a good position! Q-ball really dropped the ball (heh! [:D]) on the air war by giving away "easy kills" for you to gain experience on. So now he has to take on a air force with at least the same quality of pilots as he has. But he canīt afford the increased losses in airframes that this has led to.

Nobody is giving credit to Greyjoy here ... he created this situation by hoarding his best pilots early in the game and managing his aircraft development very well. He made the hard choices on holding up ship construction so that he would have the HI to devote to training pilots and building aircraft. Kudos, GJ! [&o][&o][&o]



Think about it: ships are powerfull, obviously, but the allies, past 1943, get so powerfull that even a bunch of fletchers can sink easily your BBs, or whatever you deploy against them.
CVs are important, sure, but how many HI points are needed to build a Tahio Class CVs? How many aircrafts can you build with those points?
It's a trade off, obviously, but imho, past 1943 Japan has its best weapons in his aircrafts, not in its ships.
I've lost many good pilots so far... but i've tried to save the best ones and used them only for defensive pourposes, while the "green ones" are used to sink allied ships[:'(]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:33:34 PM)

And this is basically the planned new perimeter.
I've pointed out the planned strongpoints. As you can see, i've deliberately abbandoned the idea of defending the lower Molluccas, while am reinforcing a lot the Celebes. He won't be able to simply jump from the Mollucces to Mindanao, and Mindanao is what i really need to defend, so i'm trying to concentrate my best units in a defendable line: from Bab to Menado.

He can push northwards, sure, but the route is very thin and he will first need to englarge its penetration... He needs Boela and Kaimana....and maybe Ambon too... if not his flanks will be too exposed.

Biak remains a torn on his right flank...and he's far away from conquering it. Same goes for Timor and Kendari. He needs to annihilate them if he wants to advance freely... and my defences are pretty stiff there.

No, he needs to open another front.This one will be too slow and too risky with the KB around....

However, finally, Mindanao is building up nicely...and by the time he gets close to it i'll have a pretty decent LBA defending it.

Now it's time to start moving fighter units to Balikapan... planning to use some Georges and Nicks for the task...waiting for the Randy to arrive

[image]local://upfiles/37890/B8FB61453D4644A7A81DCED48B6F39A7.jpg[/image]



Cap Mandrake -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:44:48 PM)

Interesting that you chose to build up the islands in the Celebes Sea but not defend Ternate. You are wise to defend that base SW of Manado, which is the poor man's way to Manado.


That Allied salient in NW Dutch new Guinea is looking a bit phallic. You might want to do a Lorena Bobbitt on it before it starts growing.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:47:52 PM)

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GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:51:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Interesting that you chose to build up the islands in the Celebes Sea but not defend Ternate. You are wise to defend that base SW of Manado, which is the poor man's way to Manado.


That Allied salient in NW Dutch new Guinea is looking a bit phallic. You might want to do a Lorena Bobbitt on it before it starts growing.



Ternate is actually defended, but not heavily. The reason? To many bases nearby in the Molluccas, but none of them can be built up to lvl 8 AF. And i cannot defend them all nicely. Defend all of them poorly and you'll get overrunned, easily. while the bases up North, in the Celebes, South of Davao are pretty isolated and can be defended easier. Building up Mindanao to lvl 9 and Telau-enlandien to level 8 and you'll get some decent AFs to strike if he lands in the Mollucces

A Lorena? How? He has TONS of PTs, mines and Fletchers there, not to talk about his air power...more than 2500 allied planes spread between Darwin-Molu-Selroe and Babo...
No, i think my best bet is to keep on building up and wait for him to risk another amphib Landing... then i could strike. Remember that he has been easily stuck at Kaimana by a regiment and an airlifted division... despite facing the 1st USMC Division and the 4th Aus Division... the cream of his army. I don't need to risk my assets now. I need him to risk his own ones. And the more he pushes forward, the riskier it gets for him if he doesn't enlgarge his salient



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 9:53:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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???? what Dan?



Cap Mandrake -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 10:31:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Interesting that you chose to build up the islands in the Celebes Sea but not defend Ternate. You are wise to defend that base SW of Manado, which is the poor man's way to Manado.


That Allied salient in NW Dutch new Guinea is looking a bit phallic. You might want to do a Lorena Bobbitt on it before it starts growing.



Ternate is actually defended, but not heavily. The reason? To many bases nearby in the Molluccas, but none of them can be built up to lvl 8 AF. And i cannot defend them all nicely. Defend all of them poorly and you'll get overrunned, easily. while the bases up North, in the Celebes, South of Davao are pretty isolated and can be defended easier. Building up Mindanao to lvl 9 and Telau-enlandien to level 8 and you'll get some decent AFs to strike if he lands in the Mollucces

A Lorena? How? He has TONS of PTs, mines and Fletchers there, not to talk about his air power...more than 2500 allied planes spread between Darwin-Molu-Selroe and Babo...
No, i think my best bet is to keep on building up and wait for him to risk another amphib Landing... then i could strike. Remember that he has been easily stuck at Kaimana by a regiment and an airlifted division... despite facing the 1st USMC Division and the 4th Aus Division... the cream of his army. I don't need to risk my assets now. I need him to risk his own ones. And the more he pushes forward, the riskier it gets for him if he doesn't enlgarge his salient


I think Dan was reacting to the analogy. [:)]

I did not realize he had functioning air bases that far forward. What about that Dutch base at the tip of the "salient"? Did he actually capture that or is just a historical left over?



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 10:38:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Interesting that you chose to build up the islands in the Celebes Sea but not defend Ternate. You are wise to defend that base SW of Manado, which is the poor man's way to Manado.


That Allied salient in NW Dutch new Guinea is looking a bit phallic. You might want to do a Lorena Bobbitt on it before it starts growing.



Ternate is actually defended, but not heavily. The reason? To many bases nearby in the Molluccas, but none of them can be built up to lvl 8 AF. And i cannot defend them all nicely. Defend all of them poorly and you'll get overrunned, easily. while the bases up North, in the Celebes, South of Davao are pretty isolated and can be defended easier. Building up Mindanao to lvl 9 and Telau-enlandien to level 8 and you'll get some decent AFs to strike if he lands in the Mollucces

A Lorena? How? He has TONS of PTs, mines and Fletchers there, not to talk about his air power...more than 2500 allied planes spread between Darwin-Molu-Selroe and Babo...
No, i think my best bet is to keep on building up and wait for him to risk another amphib Landing... then i could strike. Remember that he has been easily stuck at Kaimana by a regiment and an airlifted division... despite facing the 1st USMC Division and the 4th Aus Division... the cream of his army. I don't need to risk my assets now. I need him to risk his own ones. And the more he pushes forward, the riskier it gets for him if he doesn't enlgarge his salient


I think Dan was reacting to the analogy. [:)]

I did not realize he had functioning air bases that far forward. What about that Dutch base at the tip of the "salient"? Did he actually capture that or is just a historical left over?



No, it's an historical left over.

I understand your concerns guys. I have many bases which aren't defended... but believe me: i've studied the map a lot and there is not an easy strategical answer for Japan in this theatre. You cannot defend them all and you cannot defend too much forward...
You've seen what he has done in the previous perimeter (Babar-Selroe-Saumlaki-Taberfane-Dobo)... he simply bypassed it, Landing at Molu which was undefended (ok, he got stuck at Samulaki, but he penetrated all the same).



Cap Mandrake -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 10:48:19 PM)

Of course you are right. You can't defend everything. Seems to me you defense has been masterful. I see your point about defending at the Celebes Sea line. He can't bypass that without going all the way to Mindanao. And then to land in the Moluccas, he is withing easy escort/dive bomber/torpedo bomber range from your big bases.



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 10:50:57 PM)

and this is the overall picture.

At the moment we have 4 main enemy's vectors:

1-Coastal Burma (Ayab-Ramree vector)
2-Inner Burma (Bahmo-Lashio and towards Thailand)
3-Eastern New Guinea (Hollandia-Vanimo)
4-Southern DEI



[image]local://upfiles/37890/8A544B4D0D4048CDAC78F84DC1A764C8.jpg[/image]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 10:53:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course you are right. You can't defend everything. Seems to me you defense has been masterful. I see your point about defending at the Celebes Sea line. He can't bypass that without going all the way to Mindanao. And then to land in the Moluccas, he is withing easy escort/dive bomber/torpedo bomber range from your big bases.



Yup, exactly. [;)]



BBfanboy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 11:04:43 PM)

So what are you calling your new defensive line? I suggest "The Chastity Belt Line", in keeping with Cap M's observation ...[;)]



witpqs -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/5/2013 11:35:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course you are right. You can't defend everything. Seems to me you defense has been masterful. I see your point about defending at the Celebes Sea line. He can't bypass that without going all the way to Mindanao. And then to land in the Moluccas, he is withing easy escort/dive bomber/torpedo bomber range from your big bases.



Yup, exactly. [;)]

Ah, but the Spice Islands, they are worth it!



zuluhour -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/6/2013 4:19:40 AM)

I think your map is telling. The approach up the north coast of New Guinea is far more important than the Gilberts or Marshals. I bet he ignores the Marianas as well, preferring to secure the anchorages at Yap and Ulithi. What really gets me curious is the rout below. Is this in danger of really hurting you as far as your import business goes? Big Hurt?

[image]local://upfiles/37319/6858450E340346A9869D7F29C40B157B.jpg[/image]



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/6/2013 7:54:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

I think your map is telling. The approach up the north coast of New Guinea is far more important than the Gilberts or Marshals. I bet he ignores the Marianas as well, preferring to secure the anchorages at Yap and Ulithi. What really gets me curious is the rout below. Is this in danger of really hurting you as far as your import business goes? Big Hurt?

[image]local://upfiles/37319/6858450E340346A9869D7F29C40B157B.jpg[/image]



well, Zulu, i think i exagerated in drawing that Arrow. Too big and too deep. No, the previous map about Burma is far more precise. The real danger is towards Chang-Mai, even if the chinese corps involved are still pretty far away from it. Let's say that there's a vector coming down on from Bhamo-Paoshan and moving sliding on the flank of Lashio.

He may ignore the Mariannas, but Yap and Ulithi are not without defences. Yap, in particular, is getting a Brigade in these days and forts are already up to 5, with base forces and AA units. Ulithi is an Atoll, so i'm tweaking my defences in order to get the best out of the 6,000 men garrison

Turns are slow. Brad must having some busy days at work



zuluhour -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/6/2013 1:51:47 PM)

After checking back to post 2904 I see what you mean. My two cents in that area would entail some small units maybe supplied by air, to cut off supply from Kunming unnoticed in the eastern end of the bulge and maybe let the advance "slide by" on the western side and cut him off again there. A war of maneuver.

**disregard**

He has enough transports to baffle this. I would think the number of C47 and the like to be quite large and his ability to operate "deep" substantial.



crsutton -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/6/2013 7:50:50 PM)

I think the key is that both his axis of advances are nowhere near threatening your oil production. Come mid 44, Japan can't really hope to stop the Allied advance. But the longer you keep your DEI oil flowing to the HI the better off you are for the end game.



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/6/2013 11:56:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I think the key is that both his axis of advances are nowhere near threatening your oil production. Come mid 44, Japan can't really hope to stop the Allied advance. But the longer you keep your DEI oil flowing to the HI the better off you are for the end game.


He's not that far. Molu, is a potential level 8 AF... and it's only 25 hexes from Balikapan...



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/11/2013 9:41:00 PM)

The game is proceeding slowly... Will update tomorrow... In the meanwhile...i'll post some pictures of my vacations



crsutton -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/11/2013 10:14:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

I think the key is that both his axis of advances are nowhere near threatening your oil production. Come mid 44, Japan can't really hope to stop the Allied advance. But the longer you keep your DEI oil flowing to the HI the better off you are for the end game.


He's not that far. Molu, is a potential level 8 AF... and it's only 25 hexes from Balikapan...


Well my experience is that you really got to have a level 9 for B29s, and have to be in a position to bomb multiple targets. If not you can just stack George and Jacks at the one base and slaughter Allied heavies. So he is really not close yet.



obvert -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/11/2013 10:53:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

I think the key is that both his axis of advances are nowhere near threatening your oil production. Come mid 44, Japan can't really hope to stop the Allied advance. But the longer you keep your DEI oil flowing to the HI the better off you are for the end game.


He's not that far. Molu, is a potential level 8 AF... and it's only 25 hexes from Balikapan...


Well my experience is that you really got to have a level 9 for B29s, and have to be in a position to bomb multiple targets. If not you can just stack George and Jacks at the one base and slaughter Allied heavies. So he is really not close yet.



No need for daylight bombing. B-29s do just fine at night and massacre the Japanese NFs in the process. All he needs is a base in range and the oil is going to be toast. I lost 185 oil points in one attack against Miri at night with 3% moonlight, contested by NF and flak and that was only about 60-70 B-29s.

He can sit right where he is and wait to take out the Southern DEI oil. He can just use Darwin once the B-29s arrive and get Balikpapan and Soerabaja from there. Manado would be a big key for the rest of the oil though, in range of both Palembang and Miri.



GreyJoy -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/12/2013 10:55:31 AM)

Jan 6-14 1944

For some strange reasons i cannot upload the pictures i took from my i-phone.. no vacation pictures so :-(

However, we've done another week of war. The allies are slowly reducing Kaimana. on the 12th they finally got their first 2-1 and reduced the forts to 0. My garrison there is still fighting bravely, but the allies reinforced the 1st Marine Corp with a TD Bn and with some artillery, causing 5 auto bombardment routines (which i hates), draining my supplies and exposing my units to the deadly counterbattery fire. Then some BB/CAs bombed the hell out of it, while 10 DDs bomb it every night. I cannot intercept those TFs coming from Darwin cause Kaimana is now completely sorrounded by enemy's waters... i can just keep on fighting, hoping to delay the enemy as much as possible.

I think he will soon land at Taberfane and possibly at Sarmi (CVE and APAs spotted near Hollandia).
The enemy's CVs are out of my sight since the last battle in December and i'm getting scared....

In Burma Brad is trying a new offensive towards Magwe...but i have a counter plan....


We have an HR to prevent night bombing everywhere but in the HI. We both think it's completely borked and we haven't flown a single night mission since the beginning of the war. We agreed to let the B29s bomb at night the HI when they'll be in range just to give a flavour of reality to our game but, unfortunately, we both know the Night bombing can ruin the game cause it's too precise and too easy.

I'm, however, already moving Sentais to Balikapan, Sosarbaja, Tarakan and Palembang. The oil keeps on flowing for the moment...My goal is to keep my oil flowing for the next 6 months... let's see if i can do it



obvert -> RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? (8/12/2013 12:59:15 PM)

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We have an HR to prevent night bombing everywhere but in the HI. We both think it's completely borked and we haven't flown a single night mission since the beginning of the war. We agreed to let the B29s bomb at night the HI when they'll be in range just to give a flavour of reality to our game but, unfortunately, we both know the Night bombing can ruin the game cause it's too precise and too easy.

I'm, however, already moving Sentais to Balikapan, Sosarbaja, Tarakan and Palembang. The oil keeps on flowing for the moment...My goal is to keep my oil flowing for the next 6 months... let's see if i can do it


I agree it can give very silly results, but I can't believe an Allied player would allow an HR to restrict night bombing of Manpower anywhere and oil in the DEI. You should go into politics, Nic! [:D]



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