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SoulBlazer -> (12/10/2002 3:59:03 PM)
Do I look like Drex's keeper? :)

Drex -> (12/10/2002 10:02:50 PM)
Soulblazer needs to send the file back so I can finish my end. There were 8 separate sorties: ,3rd,4th,5th7th & 8th were from the Japanese with only the 1st, 2nd and 6th from the US. I find this interesting. In the second attack the Junyo, Zuikaku, and Hiryu all took 2 bomb hits each, the Akagi took 3 bomb hits. In the 6 th attack,Zuikaku took an additional3 bomb hits and Akagi 1 bomb hit. So all my carriers were damaged to some extent. I have to review the turn again to find out the final damage but no Japanese carrier was sunk in this turn. My hits against the US carriers occurred in the 3rd attack,4th attack and 5th attack( the 7th attack only had the Astoria take a torpedo). Total Japanese planes destroyed/damaged out of a total of 213 attacking planes: A6M2 - 39/10 A6M3 - 15/1 Vals - 29/12 Kates- 28/28 I had lost 50% of my air complement. Zuikaku is most certainly heavily damaged and Akagi is on fire. In the sixth attack I could only field 2 fighters on cap and the last two attacks on the US carriers had no escorts at all. I had 91 zeros and 54 of those were destroyed, in other words my 50% escort was shot down. Still i find the Japanese a little better off in that they were able to launch more attacks but the US attacks were able to damage all my carriers while it still has two undamaged. I think the game is balanced.

afenelon -> (12/11/2002 4:41:26 AM)
I think the game is balanced. [/B][/QUOTE] -I´m not sure....because there will be a follow up battle. -If Akagi is crippled, then the Japanese will lose, since -they lost 50% of their planes, against much less US -losses, their biggest carriers are crippled and the USN -still has 2 fully operational carriers to pursue their -enemies. I think the US will achieve a big victory. -Try to run next turn.

SoulBlazer -> (12/11/2002 4:51:50 AM)
I don't see a need to do that. Drex did'nt post the stats on his planes before the battle that I did, but I strongly suspect, given his greater air losses to Japan in the days before this test battle, that my planes are better led, better experienced, and less fatiqued, hence the edge to me in these carrier battles. ALso, by this point in the game (October 1942), the US develops a slight edge, all things being equal -- and this was equal. Besides, I don't see anyone else complaing about this. Air combat is being looked at for the next patch, as described in the 'I Give Up!' and 'Can You Say Open Beta?' threads, so perhaps you should just wait till the next patch, run your own tests, make a new thread if you still see a problem, and ask others to also test.

afenelon -> (12/11/2002 6:17:38 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoulBlazer [B]I don't see a need to do that. Drex did'nt post the stats on his planes before the battle that I did, but I strongly suspect, given his greater air losses to Japan in the days before this test battle, that my planes are better led, better experienced, and less fatiqued, hence the edge to me in these carrier battles. ALso, by this point in the game (October 1942), the US develops a slight edge, all things being equal -- and this was equal. Besides, I don't see anyone else complaing about this. Air combat is being looked at for the next patch, as described in the 'I Give Up!' and 'Can You Say Open Beta?' threads, so perhaps you should just wait till the next patch, run your own tests, make a new thread if you still see a problem, and ask others to also test. [/B][/QUOTE] -Just a question. After seeing the results of the battle, -(don´t consider Drex reports), would you: 1-Move your carriers to pursue the crippled enemy? 2-Retreat your carriers? -And off course, I will start to do my own tests, including -a replay of my disastrous battle. However, it´s difficult -to see a situation like yours, aka, a CV battle like yours -can take a month to happen, so when we have this -opportunity..... I´m just saying that the battle you -simulated isn´t finished, so you can´t say it was equal

SoulBlazer -> (12/11/2002 7:00:59 AM)
Well, if Drex wants to continue it, that's fine with me. He does'nt need me for that anyway. :) And what would I do in a real game? I'd probaly stay and fight. I would'nt know how much damage had been done to the Japs, of course, but I'd have to say looking at the carriers being sunk I'd have my two unttouched carriers try to fight one more day and launch another strike to see if I can take a Japanese carrier with me. They are testing carrier battles right now with the new patch in the beta thread, though. :)

Drex -> (12/11/2002 7:25:02 AM)
I'm satisfied with the test. We need to go on with our game.

Drex -> (12/11/2002 8:31:12 AM)
For afenelon's benefit here are my pre-battle stats: Zeros Vals Kates Akagi 26 25 17 Hiryu 22 6 7 Zuikaku 16 21 18 Junyo 27 17 8 ____ ____ ____ 91 69 50 = 210 # Exp Mor Fat Ldr/Inspr Akagi 68 86 87 33 62/67 Hiryu 38 61 77 25 60/57 Zuikaku 55 77 92 29 62/71 Junyo 52 68 89 30 62/67

denisonh -> (12/11/2002 11:07:43 AM)
Conducted a test based on the scenario that Afenelon and myself experienced. Using version 2.11 USN TF under RADM McCain at Luganville CV Lexington CV Yorktown CV Enterprise CA Chester CA Louisville CL Honolulu CL St Louis DD Wilkes DD Gwin DD O'Brien DD Lamson DD Swanson Luganville - 1 Sqn 12 x PBY and 1 sqn 24 x P-39 2 Surface TFs with assorted CAs, CLs and DDs IJN under Yamaguchi near Irau CV Kaga CV Soryu CV Zuikaku CV Shokaku CVL Shoho CVL Zuiho CA Chikuma CA Myoko CA Haguro CA Nachi CA Mogami CS Chitose DD Shigure DD Yugure DD Ariake DD Asakaze DD Harukaze Ran 3 tests test 1 (1,1a,1b) - Move to a point 6 hexes from Luganville with IJN TF Both sides default settings for altitude,search and CAP test2 (2,2a,2b) - Move to a point 6 hexes from Luganville with CAP set to 70 and altitude and search adjusted per original case test 3 (3,3a,3b) - Move to a point 4 hexes away from Luganville. For each test, I list the air group specifics, ship damage, air losses and the battle report text file Test #1 USN Air Groups F4F-4s - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp VF-3 36 67 78 25 60 10000 62 75 VF-42 36 66 93 25 60 10000 70 80 VF-6 36 74 99 24 60 10000 59 71 SBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VS-2 18 80 99 6 20 10000 68 76 VB-2 18 83 99 6 20 10000 58 80 VS-5 18 78 99 7 20 10000 56 72 VB-5 18 76 99 7 20 10000 60 77 VS-6 18 72 99 7 20 10000 58 74 VB-6 18 68 99 7 20 10000 61 74 TBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VT-2 15 71 99 0 0 5000 69 77 VT-5 15 70 99 0 0 5000 56 74 VT-6 15 76 99 0 0 5000 56 79 IJN Air Groups A6M2 - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp AII-1 27 85 90 28 60 10000 60 72 BI-1 21 68 99 26 60 10000 55 75 EI-1 24 76 99 29 60 10000 57 83 EII-1 24 76 81 25 60 10000 58 71 EIII-1 18 65 58 25 60 10000 60 61 CII-1 18 68 98 26 60 10000 64 63 Vals - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-2 28 81 99 6 20 10000 62 73 BI-2 21 89 98 7 20 10000 73 71 EI-2 24 76 99 6 20 10000 61 70 EII-2 24 74 99 6 20 10000 63 79 Kates - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-3 27 87 99 0 0 5000 61 77 BI-3 21 92 99 0 0 5000 63 77 EI-3 24 73 99 0 0 5000 54 76 EII-3 24 77 99 0 0 5000 63 65 EIII-3 12 59 99 0 0 5000 61 72 CII-3 12 71 99 0 0 5000 59 66 Results for test #1 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42 Weather: Clear Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 62 A6M3 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 21 SBD Dauntless x 54 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 4 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged CPO A.Morioka of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2 Japanese Ships CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVL Shoho CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Kaga CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CA Chikuma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 41 A6M3 Zero x 3 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 12 SBD Dauntless x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 6 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 11 damaged LTJG F.Leonard of VF-42 is credited with kill number 2 Japanese Ships CVL Shoho CA Chikuma, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Soryu CV Shokaku, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 A6M3 Zero x 6 D3A Val x 36 B5N Kate x 45 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 21 F4F-4 Wildcat x 44 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 8 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 6 destroyed D3A Val x 27 destroyed D3A Val x 18 damaged B5N Kate x 23 destroyed B5N Kate x 31 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 7 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 damaged LTJG L. Mankin of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4 Allied Ships DD Lamson CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CV Lexington, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 21 B5N Kate x 21 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 12 F4F-4 Wildcat x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 26 destroyed B5N Kate x 13 destroyed B5N Kate x 10 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged LTJG R. Mehle of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5 Allied Ships CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 48 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 27 SBD Dauntless x 23 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 11 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 13 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 11 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged LTJG R. Mehle of VF-6 is credited with kill number 6 Japanese Ships CA Haguro CV Soryu CV Kaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary IJN ship damage CVL Zuiho 71 24 31 CV Shokaku 16 2 12 CV Zuikaku 17 0 27 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 17 A6M3 - 9 Val - 44 Kate - 36 USN ship damage CV Enterprise sunk Lexington 17 0 27 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 8 F4F-4 - 16 SBD - 24 TBD - 15 P-39 - 0 Results for test #1a AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42 Weather: Clear Air attack on TF at 49,49 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 58 A6M3 Zero x 10 Allied aircraft SBD Dauntless x 28 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 10 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless x 33 destroyed ENS S. Komachi of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3 LCDR R. Dixon of VS-2 bails out and is RESCUED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 49,49 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 56 A6M3 Zero x 10 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 SBD Dauntless x 30 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 13 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 6 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 36 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged PO2 G.Murakami of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5 LCDR R. Best of VB-6 bails out and is RESCUED Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 49,49 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 50 A6M3 Zero x 8 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 10 SBD Dauntless x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 7 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 damaged SBD Dauntless x 14 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 17 damaged LTJG W.Banno of EIII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 LT M. Suganami of BI-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku CV Kaga CV Shokaku CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 31 A6M3 Zero x 8 D3A Val x 42 B5N Kate x 48 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 21 F4F-4 Wildcat x 46 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 20 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 2 damaged A6M3 Zero x 3 destroyed D3A Val x 22 destroyed D3A Val x 18 damaged B5N Kate x 30 destroyed B5N Kate x 23 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 12 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 damaged ENS E. O'Hare of VF-3 is credited with kill number 4 Allied Ships CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1 CV Lexington CL Honolulu CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2 CA Louisville, Bomb hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 3 D3A Val x 17 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 12 F4F-4 Wildcat x 25 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed D3A Val x 13 destroyed D3A Val x 6 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged LTJG M. Bright of VF-3 is credited with kill number 3 Allied Ships CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 15 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 7 destroyed B5N Kate x 10 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged Allied Ships DD Perkins CL Phoenix CA Vincennes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 21 B5N Kate x 24 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 5 destroyed D3A Val x 9 damaged B5N Kate x 12 destroyed B5N Kate x 13 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 4 damaged 1LT A. Patterson of 67th FS is credited with kill number 3 Allied Ships CA Astoria CA Minneapolis DD Case DD Cummings DD Perkins CA Portland, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 3 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 3 destroyed CPT W. Sharpstein of 67th FS is credited with kill number 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 12 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 6 destroyed B5N Kate x 8 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged CPT R. Kerstetter of 67th FS is credited with kill number 4 Allied Ships AK Almaack DD Hull -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IJN ship damage None IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 35 A6M3 - 7 Val - 37 Kate - 34 USN ship damage CV Enterprise 26 3 9 CV Yorktown 3 0 9 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 12 F4F-4 - 19 SBD - 75 TBD - 0 P-39 - 0 Results for test #1b FTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42 Weather: Clear Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 63 A6M3 Zero x 10 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 21 SBD Dauntless x 58 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 11 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 26 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 19 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 damaged SBD Dauntless x 36 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 37 damaged PO1 V.Kawakubo of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Soryu CVL Shoho CV Kaga CV Zuikaku -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 32 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 SBD Dauntless x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 14 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 17 damaged LTJG K. Okabe of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3 Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1 CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVL Shoho CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 A6M3 Zero x 3 D3A Val x 59 B5N Kate x 45 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 21 F4F-4 Wildcat x 36 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 12 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed D3A Val x 24 destroyed D3A Val x 22 damaged B5N Kate x 24 destroyed B5N Kate x 26 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 damaged LCDR J. Thach of VF-3 is credited with kill number 3 Allied Ships CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Louisville CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 24 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 10 F4F-4 Wildcat x 14 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 19 destroyed B5N Kate x 10 damaged ENS V.Erickson of VF-6 is credited with kill number 3 Allied Ships CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Yorktown, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 12 F4F-4 Wildcat x 26 SBD Dauntless x 34 P-39D Airacobra x 8 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 12 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 3 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 11 damaged P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged LCDR J. Thach of VF-3 is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1 CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 7 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 14 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 3 destroyed B5N Kate x 3 damaged Allied Ships DD Hull DD Lang, Torpedo hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 D3A Val x 34 B5N Kate x 24 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 17 no losses Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged WO O.Kotani of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IJN ship damage CVL Zuiho 35 0 1 CV Shokaku 70 11 26 CV Zuikaku 32 0 26 CV Soryu 27 2 12 CVL Shoho 21 25 24 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 32 A6M3 - 4 Val - 22 Kate - 46 USN ship damage CV Enterprise 72 41 31 CV Lexington 17 0 27 CV Yorktown 54 39 42 CL St Louis 36 1 8 DD Lang 51 45 20 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 9 F4F-4 - 35 SBD - 47 TBD - 0 P-39 - 3

denisonh -> Test #2 Results (12/11/2002 11:25:07 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/42 Weather: Clear Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 72 A6M3 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 10 F4F-4 Wildcat x 17 SBD Dauntless x 64 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 20 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 21 damaged A6M3 Zero x 4 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 21 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 47 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 28 damaged LTJG B. Reid of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho CV Kaga CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1 CV Shokaku -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 44 A6M3 Zero x 8 Allied aircraft SBD Dauntless x 16 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless x 16 destroyed ENS T. Tanimizu of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 A6M3 Zero x 5 D3A Val x 69 B5N Kate x 69 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 18 F4F-4 Wildcat x 50 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed D3A Val x 5 destroyed D3A Val x 3 damaged B5N Kate x 6 destroyed B5N Kate x 18 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged LTJG R.Nojima of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2 LCDR J. Gray of VF-6 bails out and is RESCUED Allied Ships CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CA Chester CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1 CV Lexington, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1 CL Honolulu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 47 A6M3 Zero x 8 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 F4F-4 Wildcat x 26 SBD Dauntless x 22 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 16 damaged ENS T. Tanimizu of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6 LT T. Hoashi of EI-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED Japanese Ships CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Zuikaku CA Nachi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,48 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 18 A6M3 Zero x 3 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 SBD Dauntless x 3 P-39D Airacobra x 5 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged LTJG T. Provost of VF-6 is credited with kill number 2 Japanese Ships CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 17 D3A Val x 27 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed D3A Val x 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged LT W. Haas of VF-42 is credited with kill number 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 21 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 17 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 5 destroyed LTJG N.Walker of VF-42 is credited with kill number 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IJN ship damage CV Kaga 18 6 27 CV Zuikaku 29 0 5 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 37 A6M3 - 6 Val - 7 Kate - 10 USN ship damage CV Enterprise Sunk CV Lexington Sunk CL St Louis 10 14 7 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 11 F4F-4 - 29 SBD - 59 TBD - 30 P-39 - 3

denisonh -> (12/11/2002 11:55:13 AM)
Test #3 USN Air Groups F4F-4s - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp VF-3 36 67 78 30 70 10000 62 75 VF-42 36 66 93 18 70 10000 70 80 VF-6 36 74 99 19 70 10000 59 71 SBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VS-2 18 80 99 0 0 10000 68 76 VB-2 18 83 99 0 0 10000 58 80 VS-5 18 78 99 0 0 10000 56 72 VB-5 18 76 99 7 20 10000 60 77 VS-6 18 72 99 7 20 10000 58 74 VB-6 18 68 99 7 20 10000 61 74 TBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VT-2 15 71 99 0 0 5000 69 77 VT-5 15 70 99 0 0 5000 56 74 VT-6 15 76 99 0 0 5000 56 79 IJN Air Groups A6M2 - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp AII-1 27 82 83 33 70 10000 60 72 BI-1 19 67 87 30 70 10000 55 75 EI-1 24 76 96 30 70 10000 57 83 EII-1 24 74 91 29 70 10000 58 71 EIII-1 18 65 55 28 70 10000 60 61 CII-1 18 68 87 28 70 10000 64 63 Vals - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-2 25 80 73 28 0 10000 62 73 BI-2 21 89 76 30 0 10000 73 71 EI-2 21 74 86 31 0 10000 61 70 EII-2 22 71 89 25 20 10000 63 79 Kates - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-3 20 87 99 0 0 5000 61 77 BI-3 15 88 99 0 0 5000 63 77 EI-3 18 72 99 0 0 5000 54 76 EII-3 18 76 99 0 0 5000 63 65 EIII-3 12 59 99 0 0 5000 61 72 CII-3 12 71 99 0 0 5000 59 66 Results for test #3 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/42 Weather: Partly Cloudy Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 72 A6M3 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 F4F-4 Wildcat x 11 SBD Dauntless x 36 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 4 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 25 damaged A6M3 Zero x 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 44 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged TBD Devastator x 8 destroyed TBD Devastator x 5 damaged CPO W.Abe of CII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 LT M. Suganami of BI-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Shokaku CV Soryu CV Kaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 66 A6M3 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 11 SBD Dauntless x 28 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 8 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 9 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 19 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged TBD Devastator x 3 destroyed TBD Devastator x 11 damaged PO1 I.Matsubara of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CV Kaga CV Shokaku CV Soryu CV Zuikaku CVL Zuiho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 54 A6M3 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 SBD Dauntless x 33 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 8 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 4 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 14 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 25 damaged TBD Devastator x 9 destroyed TBD Devastator x 4 damaged PO1 I.Matsubara of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6 Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVL Zuiho CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2 CV Soryu CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 24 A6M3 Zero x 6 D3A Val x 66 B5N Kate x 51 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 25 F4F-4 Wildcat x 50 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 13 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 2 damaged A6M3 Zero x 4 destroyed D3A Val x 26 destroyed D3A Val x 14 damaged B5N Kate x 33 destroyed B5N Kate x 28 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 14 damaged LTJG H. Packard of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4 LCDR C. Fenton of VF-42 is KILLED Allied Ships CV Enterprise CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 1 CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL Honolulu CA Chester, Bomb hits 2, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 D3A Val x 20 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 F4F-4 Wildcat x 33 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged D3A Val x 11 destroyed D3A Val x 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged ENS W. Eder of VF-3 is credited with kill number 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 3 B5N Kate x 12 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 1 destroyed D3A Val x 2 damaged B5N Kate x 5 destroyed B5N Kate x 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 3 damaged Allied Ships CA New Orleans CL Phoenix CA Vincennes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 18 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 6 destroyed B5N Kate x 11 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged Allied Ships CL Phoenix DD Smith CA Portland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 25 A6M3 Zero x 4 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 SBD Dauntless x 19 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 11 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 8 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 14 damaged ENS J. Robbins of VF-3 is credited with kill number 3 Japanese Ships CV Soryu CV Shokaku -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 53,51 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 28 B5N Kate x 18 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 F4F-4 Wildcat x 14 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 10 destroyed D3A Val x 7 damaged B5N Kate x 11 destroyed B5N Kate x 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged LTJG B. Reid of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5 Allied Ships CV Lexington CV Yorktown, on fire CA Chester, on fire CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary IJN ship damage CV Kaga 15 0 2 CV Shokaku 21 14 10 CVL Shoho 25 11 17 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 43 A6M3 - 7 Val - 52 Kate - 61 USN ship damage CV Enterprise 7 4 3 CV Lexington 26 11 18 CV Yorktown 22 11 18 CA Chester 19 4 12 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 13 F4F-4 - 35 SBD - 79 TBD - 28 P-39 - 0 Results for test #3a AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/42 Weather: Partly Cloudy Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 A6M3 Zero x 9 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 SBD Dauntless x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 6 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 12 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 19 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 2 damaged PO2 R.Ohara of EII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3 LCDR R. Dixon of VS-2 bails out and is RESCUED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 67 A6M3 Zero x 9 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 SBD Dauntless x 44 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 6 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 14 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 33 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 22 damaged TBD Devastator x 5 destroyed TBD Devastator x 7 damaged PO1 B.Kanno of CII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 LT T. Hoashi of EI-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku CV Shokaku CV Soryu CVL Shoho CVL Zuiho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 40 A6M3 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 SBD Dauntless x 18 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 8 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 9 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 12 damaged TBD Devastator x 12 destroyed TBD Devastator x 5 damaged WO U.Muranaka of CII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6 LCDR J. Brett of VT-2 bails out and is RESCUED Japanese Ships CV Shokaku CVL Shoho CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1 CV Kaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 57 A6M3 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 11 SBD Dauntless x 15 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 8 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 3 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 6 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 9 damaged TBD Devastator x 5 destroyed TBD Devastator x 7 damaged LTJG J. Halford of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5 WO U.Muranaka of CII-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Soryu CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1 CS Chitose CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1 CV Zuikaku, Torpedo hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 A6M3 Zero x 8 D3A Val x 83 B5N Kate x 49 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 25 F4F-4 Wildcat x 50 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 12 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 3 damaged A6M3 Zero x 7 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged D3A Val x 21 destroyed D3A Val x 17 damaged B5N Kate x 31 destroyed B5N Kate x 22 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 12 damaged LTJG E. Bassett of VF-42 is credited with kill number 4 Allied Ships CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Lexington, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1 CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 3 B5N Kate x 30 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 2 damaged B5N Kate x 16 destroyed B5N Kate x 16 damaged 1LT K. Wyethes of 67th FS is credited with kill number 2 Allied Ships CA Portland, Bomb hits 1 CL Phoenix CA New Orleans CA Vincennes CA Minneapolis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 10 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 4 destroyed B5N Kate x 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged Allied Ships CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 24 A6M3 Zero x 2 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 14 F4F-4 Wildcat x 34 SBD Dauntless x 20 TBD Devastator x 4 P-39D Airacobra x 12 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 9 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 4 damaged TBD Devastator x 1 damaged P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged LTJG C. Chambers of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4 LT M. Hidaka of CII-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CVL Zuiho DD Harukaze CVL Shoho CA Myoko CV Shokaku CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 38 B5N Kate x 15 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 2 destroyed D3A Val x 6 damaged B5N Kate x 2 destroyed B5N Kate x 6 damaged Allied Ships CV Lexington, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 8 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 10 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 2 destroyed B5N Kate x 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged Allied Ships DD Anderson CL Leander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 D3A Val x 8 no losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary IJN ship damage CV Soryu 3 3 5 CV Zuikaku 33 7 19 CVL Shoho 8 2 4 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 62 A6M3 - 12 Val - 31 Kate - 53 USN ship damage CV Enterprise 60 29 37 CV Lexington Sunk CV Yorktown 39 58 38 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 14 F4F-4 - 27 SBD - 61 TBD - 23 P-39 - 2 Results for test #3 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/42 Weather: Partly Cloudy Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 A6M3 Zero x 9 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 11 SBD Dauntless x 32 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 24 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged SBD Dauntless x 39 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged TBD Devastator x 11 destroyed TBD Devastator x 3 damaged ENS S. Komachi of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5 Japanese Ships CV Kaga CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2 CV Zuikaku -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 53 A6M3 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 SBD Dauntless x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 5 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 17 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 2 damaged WO O.Kotani of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6 ENS S. Komachi of EI-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Shokaku CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 69 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 SBD Dauntless x 31 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 6 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 19 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 25 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 10 damaged TBD Devastator x 10 destroyed TBD Devastator x 6 damaged PO2 T.Kojima of EII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3 Japanese Ships CA Haguro CV Kaga CV Zuikaku CV Soryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 38 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 SBD Dauntless x 15 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 4 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 6 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 10 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 8 damaged TBD Devastator x 11 destroyed TBD Devastator x 3 damaged PO2 P.Nagahama of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 LT M. Hidaka of CII-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED Japanese Ships CV Shokaku CVL Shoho CVL Zuiho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 31 A6M3 Zero x 8 D3A Val x 66 B5N Kate x 38 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 27 F4F-4 Wildcat x 50 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 14 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 7 destroyed D3A Val x 28 destroyed D3A Val x 17 damaged B5N Kate x 21 destroyed B5N Kate x 13 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 14 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 damaged LTJG T. Rhodes of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5 LCDR C. Fenton of VF-42 bails out and is RESCUED Allied Ships CL St. Louis CV Lexington CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 1 CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 D3A Val x 21 B5N Kate x 15 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 F4F-4 Wildcat x 39 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed D3A Val x 12 destroyed D3A Val x 5 damaged B5N Kate x 16 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged LCDR J. Gray of VF-6 is credited with kill number 6 Allied Ships CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 2, on fire CV Enterprise -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 42 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate x 13 destroyed B5N Kate x 25 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged 2LT E. Dews of 67th FS is credited with kill number 2 Allied Ships DD Cummings DD Perkins CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Portland, Torpedo hits 1 DD Dunlap, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Vincennes CL Phoenix -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 50,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 A6M3 Zero x 1 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 11 F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 SBD Dauntless x 6 P-39D Airacobra x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 6 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged P-39D Airacobra x 3 destroyed PO2 J.Shibata of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 LT T. Hoashi of EI-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CV Shokaku CVL Shoho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 54,52 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 27 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val x 10 destroyed D3A Val x 8 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged LT T. Coleman of VF-6 is credited with kill number 4 Allied Ships CV Lexington CV Yorktown, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Luganville at 53,53 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 D3A Val x 6 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 10 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed D3A Val x 4 damaged Allied Ships CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1 DD Alwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary IJN ship damage CV Shokaku 10 1 6 IJN aircraft losses A6M2 - 54 A6M3 - 13 Val - 54 Kate - 64 USN ship damage CV Yorktown 39 58 38 CA New Orleans 33 34 5 CA Portland 7 19 1 DD Dunlap 34 50 4 USN aircraft losses F4F-3 - 20 F4F-4 - 32 SBD - 78 TBD - 34 P-39 - 3

denisonh -> Quick Analysis (12/11/2002 12:17:17 PM)
The situation was not exactly the situation we played out, but very close. I ran each a couple more times, but failed to save the combat results file and/or list the air losses. Only one resulted in no damage to US carriers with 2 IJN CVs damaged (Kaga 33/Zuikaku 63), and one with no damage to the IJN carriers with2 USN Cvs damaged (Enterprise 26/ Yorktown 3). Test 3 averaged much more Zero losses than the first two tests. I would attribute that in part to the fatigue difference, since nothing else significant changed. IJN aircraft losses averaged higher because of USN ability to land and operate carrier aircraft from damaged carriers at Luganville. Often subsequent(afternoon impulse) strikes were carried out from Luganville with aircraft originaly based on carriers. This tended to even out results, and if the USN performed well in the morning, then the advantage was magnified in the afternoon impulse. If the USN performed poorly, they still got strikes in the afternoon. On the other hand, if the IJN did poorly in the morning, the afternoon impulse turned into a disaster. Another factor was the additional USN TFs in the area. They tended to draw off strikes that otherwise would be directed at the USN CVs. The less strikes drawn off, the worse the USN CVs seemed to fare. This makes sense, as the TF commander has more targets to consider and has to make decisions about which target(s) to hit, sometimes resulting in strikes going after less than prime targets. Not to mention that the timimg of the spotting reports would affect the decisions as well. Without the proximity of Luganville and other TFs in the area, the IJN force would beat the USN handily almost all the time. These significantly equalized the sides and made the difference in the outcome of this engagement.

denisonh -> (12/11/2002 12:25:34 PM)
Here is the save game I used to generate the above tests.

afenelon -> Re: Quick Analysis (12/11/2002 3:35:28 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by denisonh [B]The situation was not exactly the situation we played out, but very close. I ran each a couple more times, but failed to save the combat results file and/or list the air losses. Only one resulted in no damage to US carriers with 2 IJN CVs damaged (Kaga 33/Zuikaku 63), and one with no damage to the IJN carriers with2 USN Cvs damaged (Enterprise 26/ Yorktown 3). Test 3 averaged much more Zero losses than the first two tests. I would attribute that in part to the fatigue difference, since nothing else significant changed. IJN aircraft losses averaged higher because of USN ability to land and operate carrier aircraft from damaged carriers at Luganville. Often subsequent(afternoon impulse) strikes were carried out from Luganville with aircraft originaly based on carriers. This tended to even out results, and if the USN performed well in the morning, then the advantage was magnified in the afternoon impulse. If the USN performed poorly, they still got strikes in the afternoon. On the other hand, if the IJN did poorly in the morning, the afternoon impulse turned into a disaster. Another factor was the additional USN TFs in the area. They tended to draw off strikes that otherwise would be directed at the USN CVs. The less strikes drawn off, the worse the USN CVs seemed to fare. This makes sense, as the TF commander has more targets to consider and has to make decisions about which target(s) to hit, sometimes resulting in strikes going after less than prime targets. Not to mention that the timimg of the spotting reports would affect the decisions as well. Without the proximity of Luganville and other TFs in the area, the IJN force would beat the USN handily almost all the time. These significantly equalized the sides and made the difference in the outcome of this engagement. [/B][/QUOTE] -But no test resulted in 6 Japanese CV´s with heavy damage vs -2 USN CV´s with small damage. It looks like I just had bad luck -or the AI settings influenced the results. I see no bias towards -US in the game engine here, and maybe, it was only a worst -case result.

denisonh -> (12/11/2002 3:49:25 PM)
Only other things not considered in my tests - US Avg exp for fighters 10 less than in our example - 1 sqn still had F4F-3s - This one only 1 day, did not consider follow up - I did not know the make up of your TF, so guessed. Flak value of your actual TF may have varied significantly. - Did not factor in any LBA bombers. - This turn was the first under the new patch I am not revealing the exact nature of my damage, for obvious reasons. But I still believe that it was a worse case scenario. There were a couple examples in my test reults where the follow on damage would probably get much worse for the IJN, as the IJN airpower decreases with carrier damage, and the USN aircraft just move Luganville and keep up the fight. A couple of those would have ended up with some bad loses for the IJN.

afenelon -> (12/12/2002 3:57:48 AM)
But I still believe that it was a worse case scenario. There were a couple examples in my test reults where the follow on damage would probably get much worse for the IJN, as the IJN airpower decreases with carrier damage, and the USN aircraft just move Luganville and keep up the fight. A couple of those would have ended up with some bad loses for the IJN. [/B][/QUOTE] -On the other hand any Japanese CV able to make more than -15 knots can be outside your LBA AF in the following day -(remember that the Air strikes are only made after the naval -moves, so a retiring TF will be able to make 300 miles in a -day moving at 15knots). Of course, you can caught very -dmaged ships (less than 10 knots) with your surface ships. -In the majority of scenarios you simulated, your carriers -would be unable to pursue IJN ones. I think the most -probable outcomes would be: 1-Zuiho sinks USN unable to pursue Minor IJN victory 1a-IJN retreats Draw 1b-Shokaku and Zuiho sinks Minor USN victory 2-IJN retreats Major IJN victory 3-IJN retreats USN unable to pursue Draw 3a-IJN retreats USN unable to pursue Minor IJN victory 3b-IJN retreats Draw -So in 7 simulations there would be 3 IJN victories -3 Draws and 1 USN defeat -Well, I´m satisfied with this, since you proved there -is no bias in v2.11, which is the most important. -I will do some tests in a statistical software, using -the tutorial scenario, to verify if there is a trouble -with AI settings (first test suggests there isn´t).

DoomedMantis -> (12/12/2002 7:22:21 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by afenelon [B][QUOTE]Originally posted by denisonh [B] Japanese data on CV Air Groups A6M2 - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp AI-1 23 86 72 30 70 10000 65 75 AII-1 29 80 92 36 70 10000 60 72 BI-1 23 88 94 35 70 10000 55 75 BII-1 20 88 87 36 70 10000 60 72 DI-1 13 66 39 32 70 10000 74 58 CII-1 9 64 46 29 70 10000 70 71 Vals - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AI-2 22 85 91 31 0 10000 66 74 AII-2 27 80 66 39 0 10000 61 73 BI-2 21 80 86 27 20 10000 93 88 BII-2 18 91 85 39 0 10000 63 75 TBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AI-3 18 73 81 0 0 5000 55 71 AII-3 20 87 98 0 0 5000 62 78 BI-3 15 92 98 0 0 5000 63 77 BII-3 16 87 78 0 0 5000 62 75 DI-3 14 74 92 28 0 5000 56 61 CII-3 10 70 76 21 0 5000 59 66 [/B][/QUOTE] your fatigue for your fighters is very high. I have found that if fatigue is above 30 then CAP is greatly nullified (go and test it, I have and there is a marked difference between CAP flying with 0 fatigue and that with fatigue above 30. Your oponents fatigue was below 30 but still high, but 30 seems to be the key. Also you carrier force reacted to his, how many Oportunity points did you lose while moving. As the IJN its to your advantage to not move as you have the longer range. Also your opponent was flying at 15000 ft and your CAP was set to 10000ft. This means all you CAP had to engage from below and a fair few would have got past your CAP before they could engage. DM

denisonh -> (12/13/2002 2:30:47 AM)
Doomed Mantis has a very valid point that I did not consider in running these tests, which is how far did the IJN TF move total due to Yamaguchi's reacting. All my tests had the IJN TF moving 10 hexes (5/5) so they had more than adequate OPS points to launch strikes. I am running tests again, with the first test the normal move, and the second a reaction (not sure how to structure this one) Curious to see the outcome. Oh, afenelon, can you tell me how far the TF moved as part of movement and reaction so I can use that as part of my test?

denisonh -> (12/13/2002 3:18:27 AM)
Ran yet another test for 10 iterations. Same scenario with the airgroup information as follows. Test #4 USN Air Groups F4F-4s - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp VF-3 36 67 78 30 70 15000 62 75 VF-42 36 66 93 18 70 15000 70 80 VF-6 36 74 99 19 70 15000 59 71 SBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VS-2 18 80 99 0 0 15000 68 76 VB-2 18 83 99 0 0 15000 58 80 VS-5 18 78 99 0 0 15000 56 72 VB-5 18 76 99 7 20 15000 60 77 VS-6 18 72 99 7 20 15000 58 74 VB-6 18 68 99 7 20 15000 61 74 TBDs - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp VT-2 15 71 99 0 0 10000 69 77 VT-5 15 70 99 0 0 10000 56 74 VT-6 15 76 99 0 0 10000 56 79 IJN Air Groups A6M2 - Escort SQN AC Ex Mo Fat CAP Alt Ldr Insp AII-1 27 82 83 33 70 10000 60 72 BI-1 19 67 87 30 70 10000 55 75 EI-1 24 76 96 30 70 10000 57 83 EII-1 24 74 91 29 70 10000 58 71 EIII-1 18 65 55 28 70 10000 60 61 CII-1 18 68 87 28 70 10000 64 63 Vals - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-2 25 80 73 28 0 10000 62 73 BI-2 21 89 76 30 0 10000 73 71 EI-2 21 74 86 31 0 10000 61 70 EII-2 22 71 89 25 20 10000 63 79 Kates - Naval Attack SQN AC Ex Mo Fat Srch Alt Ldr Insp AII-3 20 87 99 0 0 5000 61 77 BI-3 15 88 99 0 0 5000 63 77 EI-3 18 72 99 0 0 5000 54 76 EII-3 18 76 99 0 0 5000 63 65 EIII-3 12 59 99 0 0 5000 61 72 CII-3 12 71 99 0 0 5000 59 66 Reults attached. As with previous tests, the results generally favored the IJN, although the results indicate that the IJN took heavier percentage of fighter losses than the USN than in the previous tests. On average 33% more, with several over 50% more than the USN. As Doomed Mantis pointed out, I believe that is mainly a function of the fatigue difference (possibly the altitude as well). Of the tests, the most interesting was the ninth run, where both sides sent maximum number of strikes(no weather problems), yet no carriers were damaged on either side. The only ships damaged were one cruiser per side. I believe this reinforces the assertion that the IJN will win this engagement outright 40% of the time, draw 50% of the time, and lose 10% of the time. (although none of my tests resulted in a decisive USN victory, I believe it is possible, just very unlikely) The outcomes varied from heavy damage to no damage with maximum airstrikes. Combinations of these results indicate that the whole sprectrum of outcomes could occur, from decisive IJN to decisive USN.

afenelon -> (12/13/2002 9:48:35 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by denisonh I believe this reinforces the assertion that the IJN will win this engagement outright 40% of the time, draw 50% of the time, and lose 10% of the time. (although none of my tests resulted in a decisive USN victory, I believe it is possible, just very unlikely) -Well, IT WAS POSSIBLE (this particular result would happen -in, maybe, 1% of the cases, which made me suspect something -was wrong)....to verify this we should make, many...many -tests, and still we couldn´t say it is due to a particular -version since we have no control group The outcomes varied from heavy damage to no damage with maximum airstrikes. Combinations of these results indicate that the whole sprectrum of outcomes could occur, from decisive IJN to decisive USN. [/B][/QUOTE] -I´m happy to know there is no bias in the game engine. I -think the tests you made were enough to prove that. I think -I developed a way to test the isolated influence of each -isolated variable in a Carrier combat, using SPSS spreadsheets. -But it takes too time, and many players ruiing the same -tests are needed. I can explain more if you´re interested.

denisonh -> (12/13/2002 12:55:19 PM)
I could do the same using SPlus, but like you said, it would require a large number of tests. You could run a small test and still acquire enough data to draw some basic inferences as to the effects of different factors/variables.

afenelon -> (12/14/2002 3:28:51 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by denisonh [B]I could do the same using SPlus, but like you said, it would require a large number of tests. You could run a small test and still acquire enough data to draw some basic inferences as to the effects of different factors/variables. [/B][/QUOTE] -But given the wide range of possible outcome you can -get the wrong inference. Anyway, the tests I´m doing -will give me some information of results variability -too...

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