DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A)

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Dan Nichols -> DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 12:55:34 PM)
I am going to make the big plunge here and play as Japan. I will need help and advice. Here are the house rules we agreed upon. 1. CAP and Sweep max altitude is second best maneuver band 2. Pay PPs to change restricted units before marching them across a national border. 3. No strategic bombing into or out of China until 1/44. Air field, port, ground are acceptable targets? Good All types of industry are not. 4. No 4-engine bombers on ground attack if there are friendly ground units in the hex. 5. Night bombing - 50% or greater moonlight - one unit per base allotted? Good Turn 1: 1. No new Allied TFs. Existing TFs can be given orders. 2. No orders to be given to non Chinese assigned air or ground units. 3. I will attack Pearl Harbor. 4. No Port attacks on Manilla or Singapore. 5. No invasions will land other the the following possibilities: Kota Bharu, Batan Island, Guam. 6. No IJN fleets will end up closer than 5 hexes from an occupied Allied base. I am doing a non-historical first turn and will be posting some of my ideas/thoughts as I go.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 1:37:48 PM)
Here is my initial KB orders. Anyone see any problmes? Kaga Kaga-1 18 A6M2 Sweep 15000 30 CAP Kaga-2 27 D3A1 Airfield 10000 Kaga-3 27 B5N2 Port 6000 Hiryu Hiryu-1 18 A6M2 Escort 10000 30 CAP Hiryu-2 18 D3A1 Airfield 10000 Hiryu-3 18 B5N2 Port 6000 Soryu Soryu-1 18 A6M2 Escort 6000 Soryu-2 18 D3A1 Airfield 10000 Soryu-3 18 B5N2 Port 6000 Shokaku Shokaku-1 18 A6M2 Escort 10000 Shokaku-2 27 D3A1 Port 10000 Shokaku-3 27 B5N2 Port 6000 Zuikaku Zuikaku-1 18 A6M2 Escort 6000 Zuikaku-2 27 D3A1 Port 10000 Zuikaku-3 27 B5N2 Port 6000 Akagi Akagi-1 18 A6M2 Escort 6000 30 CAP Akagi-2 18 D3A1 Airfield 10000 Akagi-3 27 B5N2 Port 6000 BB Hiei Hiei-1 2 F1M2 Recon PH [edit] changed A6M2 airfield attacks to 100 feet. [reedit] A6M2 back to 6000 feet, losses too high

JocMeister -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 2:18:58 PM)
I will certainly follow this despite the fact that you play the wrong side! [:D] Good luck!

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 4:03:43 PM)
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Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 4:27:30 PM)
Hi Pax and Jocke. So many decisions, I dither and I dither. Malaya - to Mersing or not to Mersing. Luzon - Standard attack with 2 Divisions and 65th Brigade, or take 3 or so islands around it and bomb it out of supply and aircraft and come back later. PH strike - 6 CVs or 5 CVs and send one to Cam Ranh Bay to support both Mersing and Singkawang? Questions, questions. I should put this is here - a quote from one of Harvey's PMs Open to first turn historical(preferred) or having the Japanese player change it up. Most caveats are that pretty standard that the Allies can move existing TFs, not form new TFs, Not change orders for air groups, etc... But not a fan of moves with the KB in areas where they could be observed or "magic move" invasions outside of LBA for the Japanese (more importantly what would require moving in daylight close to Allied bases not near Japanese possessions). Assumption is that the Japanese want surprise the first turn and it is highly unlikely that historically any TF would have been undetected prior to 7 Dec to go to places such as Sumatra, Noumea, Suva, or New Britain on the first turn. The Japanese could explain troop convoys alot of places, but not moving outside Japanese possessions. Also, the KB was in a remote location to start. Moving into the South China Sea with the KB would very likely alerted the Allies, so am not a fan of KB strikes from the SCS. Never a fan of the 1 ship invasion TFs with fragments running all over the south pacific either. That somewhat precludes a CV from KB going to the SCS - I could see about finessing it though.

Mac Linehan -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/21/2012 10:24:47 PM)
Dan - Great to see you on it; I will follow with interest. A Dan and Denisonh match will not be dull... <grin> Babes 28B will be a different challenge for both of you. Mac

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/22/2012 12:12:44 AM)
Hello Mac. Still no comment on the idea of bypassing Luzon in favor of taking a couple of islands as bombing platforms and bombing the snot out of Luzon. I think I will not do a Mersing. And I will respect my opponents wishes to the letter and use all 6 CVs at PH. But I am intrigued with the idea of using the 48th and 16th Divisions else where. Take the 16th Division to take the Southern portion of the DEI, Ceram, Timor, Flores and the Eastern portion of the Celebes. The 48th could be sent to take Mindanao or tasked to take part in either the Java or Sumatra operations. Ideas, Ideas.

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/22/2012 4:39:59 AM)
I rarely attempt a Mersing. The risk/reward balance is too skewed for me. To make it work, you have to bring at least one CV out of the KB to cover. Nah, I'm just not really about the Mersing gambit. But that's just me ...

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/22/2012 4:42:02 AM)
I wouldn't get all that worked up about the first month or so. A few days here or there isn't that big of a deal. I think what's important is to decide your 2nd tier of targets and be sure you have everything prepping for that in time. I want to be able to get those targets taken before I lose the amphib bonus.

obvert -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/23/2012 12:41:52 PM)
I would get worked up over the first month or so! [:)] There are a lot of options, and an experienced opponent will try to take advantage of the ones you don't choose. I like the idea of waiting for Luzon. Sending enough to push him back to Clark/Manilla is probably necessary, ten just bombing daily for several months. I like getting Mondanao out of the way, as it can be a thorn. The others aren't that important, but a deep push into the Tmor area would be. You have to get a good amount of forward search bases going before trying it though (as I found out against you) and make sure to re-do most amphib TFs that come loaded if they are going anywhere dangerous. Palembang must be mentioned. I'm sure you have this worked out since you're on the other end of holding it late and know the effects of that. I would think about sending the 'free' divisions you're contemplating toward Burma. Good to get that supply cut and possibly push far into it early before he gets settled there. Unless you plan to let him and invade behind later. For all of the small invasions, fast transports are your friends.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/23/2012 1:17:36 PM)
Well, I have thought about things and came up with this for my big 13 units. 2nd Division parts are unloading at Sendai and will be combined into a full division. Fast transports(these are fast APs ) are being move to Sendai. It first goes to Cam Ranh Bay and then I will then send it to land at Oosterhaven and march on Palambang. 4th Division is at Osaka/Kobe and will be split and transported to Babeldaob and used to take the Southeastern DEI ( Ceram, Celebes, Timor ) and then move to Java. The 56th Division, less a Regiment, is slated to move to Malaya. I am going to redirect it to Menando so it can joins with its other regiment in the near future and will be the lead unit to take all of Menando. I will need to find some smaller units to help. The 33rd Division is in Nagasaki/Sasebo and is tasked to attck into Burma. It will be transported to Bangkok to join with elements of the 55th Division The 55th division, less a Regiment, is in Southeast Asia and will march to Rangoon to cut the supply line to China. The 18th Division is loaded at Samah and will assault Kota Bharu. The 5th Division is loaded at Samah and will transport to Patani and attack into George Town and then South. The Imperial Guard is in Southeast Asia and will rail move into Singora and then move South to push the Allied units into Singapore. The 21st Division is in Shangai and will be tasked to attack into Java and take Batavia. The 38th Division will also be transported to Java after the fall of Hong Kong. The 16th Division is loaded at Amanmi Oshima and will land at Atimonan on Luzon. The 48th Division will be landed at Vigan. The 65th brigade will be landed at Aparri. Luzon will be strangled and not overrun. I will need to use air power to reduce the formations as much as possible. I have some ART that can help also. I would like to take Manila and then bomb him out. I will need to bring at least one other Divisioin from Manchukuo or the Home Islands. My initial goal will be as always to take the SRA as fast as I can. I am not sure exactly where I may make any other heavy pushes, and I might not. I do want to take Burma, all of New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. I will probably land at a couple of bases in the Aleutian Islands also. Further expansion will depend on how well I do in the first 2-3 months. I will be making a hard push in China to take Sian and surrounding areas and I will also want to clear the major road from Hanoi to Shanghai.

Cavalry Corp -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/23/2012 4:42:45 PM)
Hope you do not copy my grand plan :) If there is time maybe you coud carry on our AAR - i woud like to read it say a year in retro Anyway good luck with this.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/23/2012 5:37:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cavalry Hope you do not copy my grand plan :) If there is time maybe you coud carry on our AAR - i woud like to read it say a year in retro Anyway good luck with this. Actually I am, just not much happening lately.

Cavalry Corp -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/23/2012 5:43:20 PM)
i will be sending you some action soon - PBG has taken longer than expected plus there was that severe loss at Singapore

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/25/2012 2:50:06 AM)
Aircraft and Engine production numbers. This is what I came up with. Aircraft: A6M2 Maebashi 60 Maebashi 30 Gifu 30 B5N2 Hiroshima/Kure 30 D3A1 Nagoya 30 E13A1 Hiroshima/Kure 40 E14Y1 Nagoya 22 G3M2 Maebashi 22 G4M1 Nagoya 25 H6K4 Osaka/Kyoto 10 C5M2 Nagaski/Sasebo 6 L3Y2 Gifu 8 Ki-43-Ic Maebashi 60 Tokyo 30 Harbin 30 Ki-21-IIa Nagoya 40 Ki-48-Ib Gifu 34 Ki-46-II Nagoya 20 Ki-57-I Hamamatsu 20 Engines Mitsubishi Ha-32 130 Mitsubishi Ha-33 164 Nakajima Ha-35 344 I stopped production on Hitachi Amakaze, Nakajima Ha-5, Hitachi(early), and Nakajima Kotobuki I still have Nakajima Ha-34( Tojos, Helens ) and Mitsubishi Ha-31( Nicks, Dinahs ) in production I will build Glens until I am out of engines. Ki-46-II and Ki-57-I will also be built until the engines are gone and then upgraded.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/25/2012 4:20:12 AM)
Aircraft R&D is throwing me for a loop. Is the usual practice to turn off most of the R&D repair? It looks like I only want to invest in accelerating 4-6 aircraft lines and most of those are fighter lines. A6M3 -> A6M3a -> A6M5 ->A 6M5b -> A6M5c -> A6M8 is a good long line that I can use. NiK1-J -> N1K2-J -> Nik5-J is another navy fighter line( not CV capable ) Ki44-IIa -> Ki44-IIb -> Ki-44-IIc is a good early army fighter line Ki-61 series? Is it worth it? It is a very long line. Ki-84a -> Ki-84r some have said this is the best fighter usually available. Is it worth trying to advance the Ki-201? Same for J7W1. How about the J2 Jack series? Are there any bombers that are worth doing R&D on?

obvert -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/25/2012 7:10:52 AM)
You will want the Judy as soon as you can get it. I also put research into the Grace, although with its late arrival date I'm not sure how useful it will be by then. The Ki-61 Ib seems to be at least holding it's own in mid-43, but I'm producing and flying only a limited number of them. I was only going to start producing the Ic but thought I needed help in the armored fighter area earlier, so started in with the Ib. The length of the development line is a major plus. The J2M2 is okay. I'm again looking forward to the M3 version, but if the George is as good a everyone says, then I might not use it much in forward positions. The Frances might be worth research, as well as the Peggy (T) model. Not sure yet though. As far as late war, the Ki-83 will be a killer if you can get it soon enough to be useful.

GreyJoy -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/25/2012 7:20:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert You will want the Judy as soon as you can get it. I also put research into the Grace, although with its late arrival date I'm not sure how useful it will be by then. The Ki-61 Ib seems to be at least holding it's own in mid-43, but I'm producing and flying only a limited number of them. I was only going to start producing the Ic but thought I needed help in the armored fighter area earlier, so started in with the Ib. The length of the development line is a major plus. The J2M2 is okay. I'm again looking forward to the M3 version, but if the George is as good a everyone says, then I might not use it much in forward positions. The Frances might be worth research, as well as the Peggy (T) model. Not sure yet though. As far as late war, the Ki-83 will be a killer if you can get it soon enough to be useful. I agree with Erik here Dan As far as i can tell from my game with Rader, the Tony line can be interesting in order to have pretty soon the KI-100, which is not a game winner (too slow) but has a very good service rating and a decent firepower....can be a good complement to your KI-44 IIc in front line bases. However the fact that you need to concentrate on the Kawasaki engine production can be a problem because the Ha-45 is your first priority....and u will need a LOT of those! The KI-83 is a real game winner. Can be used for different roles and it's an amazing a/c in all of them. The KI-201 and the other jet fighters are a waste of resources imho... only numbers count when you get to 1944/1945

Cavalry Corp -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/25/2012 4:09:41 PM)
For certain the Val to Judy Jump offers enormous value- the Judy is so good compared to the Val, then consider the kate - you need the Jill but its much later than the Judy ( RA ) but what you have not got is a navy fighter to match the allied ones - shame.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/26/2012 1:53:01 AM)
I want to thank all of you for you comments and insights. I will now have to think about what I will do. My opponent wanted a historically plausible game, so I have to think on what that really means and how much I can advance aircraft.

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/26/2012 9:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert As far as late war, the Ki-83 will be a killer if you can get it soon enough to be useful. The Ki-83 is a twin engine fighter. If it had 4xHo-5 20mm cannon it would be pretty good, but the 30mm H0-105 cannon is lousy. I find the Ki-84b model Frank to be better and it is only a single engine. Actually the b model is the best Frank, but it is a stand alone model that you have to research independent of the other two. That is its biggest drawback.

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/26/2012 10:14:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cavalry For certain the Val to Judy Jump offers enormous value- the Judy is so good compared to the Val, then consider the kate - you need the Jill but its much later than the Judy ( RA ) but what you have not got is a navy fighter to match the allied ones - shame. +1 Your biggest problem is that after 6/42 your IJN CV capable fighter is really dated and you get nothing there until Sam comes along really late in the game. For IJN you need George for all of your land based groups. Jack is fine, but not much different than George and comes much later. Late war bombers (France/Peggy) depend upon your play style. Kami's are VERY useful and work, but are one shot and require particular aircraft and pilots. Bombers only work within the range of you fighters, and all of your late war fighters are really short range defensive fighters. Consider that carefully. Particular - meaning you want cheap a/c (1E) and high nav skill but low exp pilots. AND you will need a LOT of both as kami's are one way. Read Nemo's AAR's. You can blow through +2000 in a week, but really wreck havoc with invasion fleets. If you are going to use kami's, you have to really plan for them. 2000 a/c in one week represents several months production used in one week ... not too mention the pilot training.

obvert -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/26/2012 1:39:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: obvert As far as late war, the Ki-83 will be a killer if you can get it soon enough to be useful. The Ki-83 is a twin engine fighter. If it had 4xHo-5 20mm cannon it would be pretty good, but the 30mm H0-105 cannon is lousy. I find the Ki-84b model Frank to be better and it is only a single engine. Actually the b model is the best Frank, but it is a stand alone model that you have to research independent of the other two. That is its biggest drawback. I only know this fighter from Greyjoy's game with radar, and he said it was the best he faced. The two engines are more expensive, but if it's the best this doesn't bother me, I'll build it anyway. I know you've played late game, so your comments are coming from experience, but personally I just want to try all of these planes out and see what they can do.

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/27/2012 12:36:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: obvert As far as late war, the Ki-83 will be a killer if you can get it soon enough to be useful. The Ki-83 is a twin engine fighter. If it had 4xHo-5 20mm cannon it would be pretty good, but the 30mm H0-105 cannon is lousy. I find the Ki-84b model Frank to be better and it is only a single engine. Actually the b model is the best Frank, but it is a stand alone model that you have to research independent of the other two. That is its biggest drawback. I only know this fighter from Greyjoy's game with radar, and he said it was the best he faced. The two engines are more expensive, but if it's the best this doesn't bother me, I'll build it anyway. I know you've played late game, so your comments are coming from experience, but personally I just want to try all of these planes out and see what they can do. Let me clarify, the Ki-83 is a good fighter, on par with any of the other late war fighters that IJ gets (Shinden, Karyu, Frank, and Sam). Its fast like the Shinden. My testing though showed it wasn't any better than the Frank 'b' model in defensive combat, in particular against sweeps. I didn't do any thorough testing of the fighters in offensive roles, however I would not be surprised that the Ki-83 is much better as a sweeper than the Frank. My judgement is based upon if it isn't better, I'm not likely to spend twice the HI building it ... I'd rather have two Frank 'b' fighters. [;)] Now flip this around, the Karyu is something that I would build even though it is twin engine. It's like the Ki-83 except much faster, and that speed shows up in combat performance. Question with the Karyu is whether IJ is still around in the game when you can finally get it! [:D][:D][:D]

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/27/2012 9:04:05 PM)
Well, I have made my decisions and completed the first turn. I wonder what I did wrong, what I forgot to do, etc? I'm a bit down right now, I spent a lot of time on this. I plan on posting more on what I want to accomplish and how I plan on doing it later.

JocMeister -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/27/2012 9:11:54 PM)
Good luck Dan! [:)]

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/27/2012 9:46:37 PM)
Thanks Jocke, it is a lot of work to play the dark side.

Dan Nichols -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/29/2012 12:50:11 AM)
The first turn had been run and it is success for Japan. My Pearl Harbor attack was outright stupendous. Here is the edited version: Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 44 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 78 B5N2 Kate x 144 D3A1 Val x 135 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 21 damaged B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed by flak D3A1 Val: 17 damaged D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 17 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 122 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 6 destroyed on ground P-36A Mohawk: 20 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground B-17D Fortress: 35 damaged SBD-1 Dauntless: 34 damaged SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground B-18A Bolo: 20 damaged B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground A-20A Havoc: 17 damaged A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground P-40B Warhawk: 27 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground O-47A: 4 damaged O-47A: 2 destroyed on ground R3D-2: 2 damaged C-33: 2 damaged F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 damaged OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 7 destroyed Allied Ships BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Helm, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Selfridge, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk BB Arizona, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk BB Maryland, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires DD Allen, Bomb hits 1, on fire AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 1 CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 AO Neosho, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Litchfield, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PT-22, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AR Medusa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Cachalot, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 27 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 64 Port hits 21 Port fuel hits 7 Magazine explodes on DD Selfridge Magazine explodes on BB Pennsylvania Magazine explodes on BB Nevada Magazine explodes on BB California Magazine explodes on BB Maryland 5 x BBs, 2 x DDs listed as sunk. I also like that 3 of the CLs hit are modern Helena and Brooklyn class( think Boise ) ------------------------------------------------ I concentrated my bombing in the PI on Clark Field with good results. A large number of destroyed and damaged aircraft and Clark Field is closed. I also had 12 air base supply hits. I intend to hit Manilla next turn and do the same. I want to close all the airbases with air support and then either destroy the aircraft or force him to withdraw them. ---------------------- The only landing I made that turn was at Kota Bharu. I landed all of the 18th ID plus two Base Forces except a few support squads from the 56th Inf Rgt. So I will take Kota Bharu this next turn and start marching the turn after. I will have two infantry regiments, the engineer, and FA units attack and the armored recon element and the other infantry regiment pursue. ----------------------- The only blemish on the turn is that Force Z, Bosie, and Houston are not to be seen.

PaxMondo -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/29/2012 5:47:52 AM)
One of the best PH attacks I have seen. Better than anything I have ever had. Congrats!! [&o][&o][&o]

obvert -> RE: DaBigBabes 28B v11 Dan Nichols(J) vs Denisonh(A) (10/29/2012 8:09:09 AM)
Did you do anything special with your air group commanders or anything? That is quite the haul on turn one! Banzai!

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