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zed -> Long Island (12/16/2002 3:19:39 AM)

Can the Long Island CVE launch planes?




wobbly -> (12/16/2002 4:07:32 AM)

yes and no. It can launch planes to a new base from somewhere at sea, but it cannot conduct any type of mission. The planes can take off but cannot land. It is an aircrafyt transfer ship, and pretty handy for moving your early single engine squadrons around.




Admiral Scott -> (12/16/2002 5:39:12 AM)

I know escort carriers were used to ferry planes, but I thought they launched and landed fighters from them too, while escorting slow task forces. Isn't that why they are designated as "escort carriers"?
Didn't Kincaid's escort carriers play a vital role at the battle of Leyte Gulf?
Please correct me if I am wrong.




bilbow -> (12/16/2002 5:54:58 AM)

They can be used to fly missions, but this ship in particular has a tendency to lose the planes. Must push them overboard.




Admiral Scott -> She had arresting gear until 1944 (12/16/2002 9:37:20 AM)

Design History
In October 1940, President Roosevelt asked that the Navy design a merchant-ship conversion aircraft carrier to escort Atlantic convoys across the “air gap” in the middle of the northern Atlantic, where no land-based patrol plane could reach. Since the U.S. Fleet desired a similar small ship for aircrew training, in January 1941, initial design proposals were filed, asking for a flush deck and diesel propulsion. The obvious source for all merchant-ship conversions were the various incarnations of the “Liberty” Ship, the C-3 class.

In early January, while the decision on the specifics of the conversion was yet to be made, the U.S. Navy acquired two ships to convert, one for itself and one for the Royal Navy, the Mormacmail and Mormacland, the latter for conversion into a Royal Navy escort carrier. The design was necessarily swift; although the Navy desired a ship with close-to full carrier specifications, Roosevelt demanded that it settle for something less elaborate, realizing that speed was of the essence. In the event, the ship leaving the yard on June 2nd, 1941, Long Island (ex-Mormacmail) had a flight deck from aft to slightly before midships, a catapult to launch planes, retained the original merchant ship bridge below the forward edge of the flight deck, and carried a 5” L/51 gun, two 3” L/50 anti-air guns and a machine gun battery of four .50-caliber guns. She retained her merchant ship characteristics as to vulnerability and speed, but since she displaced slightly less, made a higher speed in service.

Modification History
Shortly after commissioning, aircraft operations had made it obvious that the original short flight deck was pointless, and it was enlargened by 77-feet at Norfolk in September, 1941. She also received better subdivision to resist damage. In early 1942, she surrendered her .50-caliber machine guns for 20mm guns. In late 1942, she sported 20 20mm guns. In February 1944, she was redesignated an aircraft transport, loosing her arresting gear and the ability to land planes. She also received an L/38 gun in due course.

Service
Long Island served as a testbed for the various roles supposed to be in for a the new austere wartime carriers. She conducted air operations, illustrating the stable platform the escort carrier offered in comparison to its small size. She supported landing exercises in the summer of 1941, then escorted a number of convoys on the Atlantic route. After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, in May 1942, she re-deployed to the West Coast, joining the Pacific Fleet’s Task Force 1 of old battleships. After the Battle of Midway, she left her company and returned to the West Coast for carrier aviator training. In August 1942, she deployed Marine Air Group 22 to Guadalcanal, then returned to the United States. She conducted training operations until early 1944, from when on she was used for transporting various airplanes to the combat zones.




Admiral DadMan -> (12/16/2002 10:21:14 AM)

In this game, [I]Long Island[/I], [I]Altahama[/I], and [I]Copahee[/I] cannot operate aircraft except for transfer missions. Land based planes must be loaded in port (while docked or at anchor), while carrier based planes may land on them while at sea.

Planes may transfer to another in-range base or ship on the next turn (any damaged planes remain for repair, then fly off as they are fixed.)

I'm not arguing history, I am simply stating game mechanics.




Admiral Scott -> (12/16/2002 10:25:15 AM)

So the game doesnt accurately represent these ships if you can't launch missions from them. I haven't played the game long enough yet to get the Long Island. I'm waiting for the next patch to come out.




Theng -> (12/16/2002 9:50:54 PM)

Actually, the game accurately models the CVEs. It is just that the player usually will use it in a more aggressive form than how it was used historically.




Traianus -> (12/17/2002 10:21:52 AM)

I do not know if during the time frame of the game they did. But during the Leyte invasion I believe they were supporting the ground troops and doing ASW work.

I think their airgroups were not really trained for anti-ship operations, but they didn't do too bad when the Japanese battle fleet came at them. In combination with the desperate defense by a handful of DDs and DEs, they did beat the enemy back.

BTW, I just bought the game at Game Stop 2 hours ago. Just playing around, all I can say is WOW!!!




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