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ASHBERY76 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 8:00:36 PM)

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What were previously "pirates" are now independent space-based factions that can pursue a variety of playstyles, ranging from trade, war and espionage to pure chaos and plunder.


Basically pirates are now minor races.I hope they become politically important like you find in BOTF and CIV5 G&K.

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New expanded Ground Combat with new troop types and an animated ground battle resolution screen


I hope to see light micromanagement in building and organising but with complex invasion mechanics with planet and unit types being meaningfull.Groundcombat in most 4x games is pretty crappy so I wait for new details with interest.

I would recommend tweaking bombarding to a much slower rate and longer reputation hit factor.At moment bombard is a very easy tool to use and makes this new high groundcombat investment not worth it.

Day1 buy.



Haree78 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 8:11:32 PM)

I totally agree bombardment is seriously powerful right now. Balance of bombardment to ground combat will be important.

What will also be intriguing will be whether we are able to get resources off of the space faring nations. I suggested this quite some time back when there was attempts to make resources more important. If we can get needed resources from what were pirates then maybe we can tone down the amount of resources in the galaxy and make them more of an important gameplay factor without causing unfixable bottle necks like before.



tjhkkr -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 8:13:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ASHBERY76
quote:

What were previously "pirates" are now independent space-based factions that can pursue a variety of playstyles, ranging from trade, war and espionage to pure chaos and plunder.


Basically pirates are now minor races.I hope they become politically important like you find in BOTF and CIV5 G&K.

quote:

New expanded Ground Combat with new troop types and an animated ground battle resolution screen


I hope to see light micromanagement in building and organising but with complex invasion mechanics with planet and unit types being meaningfull.Groundcombat in most 4x games is pretty crappy so I wait for new details with interest.

I would recommend tweaking bombarding to a much slower rate and longer reputation hit factor.At moment bombard is a very easy tool to use and makes this new high groundcombat investment not worth it.

Day1 buy.


Agreed on Day 1 buy.

Basically pirates are now minor races.
Yeah, they are, but they do not make enough money or have enough resources to be a menace... In combat when facing a lot of them at once, I use seek to damage and not kill because pirates can seldom rebuild/repair (although I would suspect that is 'realistic')... it will be nice to see them more able to sustain themselves.



Arcatus -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 8:23:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

- Play as an independent space-based faction, a very different play experience from the existing "Empire" gameplay.
-- Choose from several playstyles, including Smuggler, Pirate and Mercenary.

- Erik




Only me that gets sort of a privateer feel about this?

Trade some stuff to the empires, get them to like you, upgrade your ship(s) with their tech and fight off your competition...
I am probably completely off here, but controlling a single or a few ships could work really well in the DV universe. If that playstyle is coming then it is going to be very, very awesome.

Anyway - enough speculation: I am really looking forward to the new ground combat features. That is going to be a welcome addition. :)

Oh, and explaining pirates with some proper back story is all good. I will probably re-enable the legendary's then (or now actually...)[:D]

And: As mentioned by other posters - seems likely that all of these additions will ruin our mods, so I hope we get additional modding capabilities as "compensation". [sm=00000028.gif]



Shark7 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 9:22:42 PM)

I'm really hoping it doesn't affect the mods, since it will take another 6 months for the mod makers to get everything back into working order again if it does.



Camel -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 10:01:29 PM)

This sounds great, really looking forward to this.

I hope they will fix some of the other minor issues as well. Go Elliot!



Shuul -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 11:11:06 PM)

Yes, please, tell us more about modding possibilities.
Can we change weapon characteristics of even add our own tech?



Yskonyn -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 11:41:49 PM)

I hope they will also incorporate economy tweaks so its less hard to make insane amounts of money.



Bingeling -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/1/2012 11:50:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arcatus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

- Play as an independent space-based faction, a very different play experience from the existing "Empire" gameplay.
-- Choose from several playstyles, including Smuggler, Pirate and Mercenary.

- Erik




Only me that gets sort of a privateer feel about this?

Trade some stuff to the empires, get them to like you, upgrade your ship(s) with their tech and fight off your competition...
I am probably completely off here, but controlling a single or a few ships could work really well in the DV universe. If that playstyle is coming then it is going to be very, very awesome.

Anyway - enough speculation: I am really looking forward to the new ground combat features. That is going to be a welcome addition. :)

Oh, and explaining pirates with some proper back story is all good. I will probably re-enable the legendary's then (or now actually...)[:D]

And: As mentioned by other posters - seems likely that all of these additions will ruin our mods, so I hope we get additional modding capabilities as "compensation". [sm=00000028.gif]


What struck me was some old feature text that said "play as a space ship captain piloting your own ship", and such as alternative ways to play. This seems like expanding on original ideas that were pretty "loose".

As for being a space ship captain, I have thrown my few euros into the creation of "Star Citizen".



Igard -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 12:13:31 AM)

Sounds like some cool new features and I know there's more to come.

I like the idea of having pre-hyperspace civilizations in the game. Pirates and smugglers sound good, but I've already had enough one smuggler, goes by the name of 'Data'. He has a liking for my Romulan Ale stash.[;)]

I really hope the tractor beams aren't purely an offensive weapon. I'd like a way to passively deal with space creatures.

Boarding parties, I wonder if I can mod this to become a transporter party, rather than an assault pod. Just thinking out loud here.[8|]

Ground combat improvements sound ok. Gonna be a headache making tank images for my Trek mods. They don't seem to use much armour. I agree with Ash and Haree about nerfing the bombardment. Something needs to be done there.

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I'm really hoping it doesn't affect the mods, since it will take another 6 months for the mod makers to get everything back into working order again if it does.


Shark, I still haven't got my mods updated for Legends! Modding characters was just too time consuming. We had the chance to add hundreds of characters to our mods, but that was a serious amount of data entry, typing in every single attribute.

I hope this is sorted for Shadows and we can generate random stats for our custom characters.


Overall though I like what I hear. Definately a first day purchase for me also. [:)]



unclean -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 1:48:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Evrett
Erm..I have no interest in any of these features. How sad.

Unfortunate dude. I'm more excited for this than Legends!

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
- Improved AI and new comprehensive difficulty settings

I know there's no promises at this point, but I wonder is this is the much requested resource slider?



tjhkkr -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 2:30:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Igard
I like the idea of having pre-hyperspace civilizations in the game. Pirates and smugglers sound good, but I've already had enough one smuggler, goes by the name of 'Data'. He has a liking for my Romulan Ale stash.[;)]

Data has been keeping a low profile of late... [:(][&:] I have told my guards to keep an eye out though.

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ORIGINAL: Igard
Boarding parties, I wonder if I can mod this to become a transporter party, rather than an assault pod. Just thinking out loud here.[8|]

That is a good point. But IGard, you would know this better than I, would there not be some kind of transporter countermeasure during combat. To coin a phrase from one of our many Star Trek versus Star Wars battles...

[image]local://upfiles/35269/BECA4D9BC23A41C495A2D6D34E54FB33.jpg[/image]

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ORIGINAL: Igard
Ground combat improvements sound ok. Gonna be a headache making tank images for my Trek mods. They don't seem to use much armour. I agree with Ash and Haree about nerfing the bombardment. Something needs to be done there.

I have found plenty of Klingon and Romulan armor, but seriously, never anything about Federation tanks...



tjhkkr -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 2:54:03 AM)

This was just a quick scan of the old FASA stuff...
This was from Termination Order 1456; that had a couple of other ground units as well.
FASA also produced a ground combat module as welll
[image]local://upfiles/35269/391DBE24D89C4B1F813500098867D3FF.jpg[/image]

This was a Klingon Tank...



Simulation01 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 4:54:05 AM)

"pre-hyperspace"

Does this mean that you will introduce alternative faster than light travel modes for the different races....like wormholes, jumpgates, and jumplanes?

Also, what about planetary construction, Dyson Sphere's, Ring World's...those are long sought after additions by me and others? Will those be introduced? I think they could really be integral when contemplating space based civilizations?

BTW..the expansion sounds very intriguing...keep at it and don't let the storm get ya down (though I know that's hard...I went through Hurricane Opal as a kid and spent a couple of weeks living in a third world state).



Shark7 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 5:09:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tjhkkr

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ORIGINAL: Igard
I like the idea of having pre-hyperspace civilizations in the game. Pirates and smugglers sound good, but I've already had enough one smuggler, goes by the name of 'Data'. He has a liking for my Romulan Ale stash.[;)]

Data has been keeping a low profile of late... [:(][&:] I have told my guards to keep an eye out though.

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ORIGINAL: Igard
Boarding parties, I wonder if I can mod this to become a transporter party, rather than an assault pod. Just thinking out loud here.[8|]

That is a good point. But IGard, you would know this better than I, would there not be some kind of transporter countermeasure during combat. To coin a phrase from one of our many Star Trek versus Star Wars battles...

[image]local://upfiles/35269/BECA4D9BC23A41C495A2D6D34E54FB33.jpg[/image]

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ORIGINAL: Igard
Ground combat improvements sound ok. Gonna be a headache making tank images for my Trek mods. They don't seem to use much armour. I agree with Ash and Haree about nerfing the bombardment. Something needs to be done there.

I have found plenty of Klingon and Romulan armor, but seriously, never anything about Federation tanks...



hehe, you do realize that beaming that photon torpedo will be problematic, being that ISDs have both ray and particle shielding that is always active, right? [;)]

Edit: Even with spellcheck and I still can't spell, LOL. [8|]



feelotraveller -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 9:20:17 AM)

So maybe smuggling Natarran Incense is back on the agenda.  [:D]

It all looks very interesting.  [:)]



Ralzakark -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 9:49:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: feelotraveller

It all looks very interesting.  [:)]



+1

I've played DW since its first release and each expansion has added to my enjoyment of the game. Looking forward to this one. The new ground rules will be welcome and the background sounds intriguing.



ehsumrell1 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 7:09:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: feelotraveller

So maybe smuggling Natarran Incense is back on the agenda.  [:D]


Remember to save some for my upcoming Birthday Bash in December! [:D]

(Can't wait to see how the ship/station boarding activities work out!)



solops -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 8:46:43 PM)

I think the ground combat complication is a move in the wrong direction. The AI does a poor job now. Adding to the complexity will make it even less competitive as well as increasing player micromanagment. 

I realize I am in the minority on this. So, if this is going to be the implementation, I'd like to be able to mod the game or change it during setup so that bombardment does not damage reputation any more than invasions, or perhaps even disable invasions.

It is certainly easy to glass a planet. Hell, we can do that now without true spaceflight. Invasions don't make much sense unless the planet has the same species.

And yeah, I'll buy the expansion to get some of the improvements, but I'd like the option to configure the game to avoid some of what I consider to be the sillier parts or even just to vary the type of game I play.



Raap -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 9:16:03 PM)

I don't mind ground combat improvements per se, but it's such a small and frankly rather uninteresting part of the game that I'd much rather the development time be put elsewhere. So kinda meh at that feature.

The rest sounds great though. Can't wait to see how space-based factions play out. There's some real potential there, though it's all in the execution I think. Hopefully the AI will be able to cope with it too, both in terms of being a space-based faction and in terms of fighting against a space-based faction. Any hints as to how resource and cash management will be for those factions? I suppose the resource part could be kept mostly the same( with a heavy focus on cargo bays in the ship/base designs to compensate for lack of planetary storage), but unless you now allow ships and bases to have actual populations in them, I'm kinda interested in how you plan to replace tax income and the research aspects.

Also, can we have larger maps? And maybe a bit more game options( global hyperspace speed and fuel usage multipliers?).



tjhkkr -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/2/2012 11:40:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
- Assault pods and ship to ship or base boarding actions, including ship and base capture
- New expanded Ground Combat with new troop types and an animated ground battle resolution screen
---- Infantry, Armor/Mech, Special Forces, Planetary Defense Units (multi-layered)
---- Resolution of the multiple stages of a planetary assault
---- Expanded troop experience
---- New Ground Combat technology tree
- Expanded and improved Area Weapons


StarFighters and area weapons will become much more important with assault pods roaming all over the place.
Keeping lighter defended vessels like AWACs destroyers/Frigates away from the enemy will be all the more important. I have had to sacrifice troop modules and and the like to fit that bulky long range sensor pallet on a ship.
I forsee new tactics...

And Special Forces...
Embrace your destiny; Join delta squad. Four - oh, a simple uncomplicate soldier. Six two -- the Heart and soul of your unit. Oh seven -- the fiercest hunter of them all.
Excuse me... got a little carried away there...



Kobracan -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/3/2012 5:29:34 AM)

Great news!

I have to be honest: independent races don't excite me much but detailed ground combat and AI improvements are exciting. I'll be buying it the day it comes out!

Even though I said independent races don't excite me much, you know what would be cool? If you could start as an independent race or pirate and after satisfying some conditions (after a lot of work) you could turn into an empire and continue the game as a regular empire. That would give a sense of accomplishment and extra incentive in playing these independent races. I hope that is possible.

Looking forward to the expansion!



Darkspire -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/3/2012 10:39:47 AM)

A few questions that have not been asked or mentioned,

A. Is it an expansion needing the others to work, like Legends?
B. Or is it a stand alone exapansion with all the others included? (Not likely but thought I would ask)
C. What is the price range, same as Legends? Asking as I would like to get it and would like to start putting pennies aside.
D. Will the race portraits be updated? IMHO they should have been updated in Legends, a variant for each character type of the race, leader, general etc.

Darkspire



Yskonyn -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/3/2012 11:38:55 AM)

Well this is a valid question/concern;
In order to make the game easier on the wallets of new players (which we obviously cannot have enough of!) it would make sense to make it available in some kind of bundle deal or in a standalone version (with perhaps a discount for those already having the game).
Nobody is going to shell out premium price for the base game and all its expansions in one go.



Dracus -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/3/2012 2:20:44 PM)

I hope that the minor races are actually new races and not just minor parts of the existing races,



Kayoz -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/3/2012 2:28:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Simulation01
Also, what about planetary construction, Dyson Sphere's, Ring World's...those are long sought after additions by me and others? Will those be introduced? I think they could really be integral when contemplating space based civilizations?

+1



Bison36 -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/4/2012 12:04:21 AM)

Really looking forward to this expansion. Impressive list of new features.



tjhkkr -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/4/2012 12:29:20 AM)

Okay here is a big question?

Will we get a cool contest like last time?
I trully had fun reading all the cool ideas people had?

Maybe pirate faction names or get to name a new weapon... [:)]



Rtwfreak -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/4/2012 9:51:30 AM)

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Improved AI and new comprehensive difficulty settings


I want to know "exactly" what you did to "improve" the AI. It's all too easy to make a blanket statement like that and no real improvement even exists. So please in "detail" tell us how you improved the AI.



Mad Igor -> RE: Distant Worlds: Shadows (11/4/2012 2:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rtwfreak

quote:

Improved AI and new comprehensive difficulty settings


I want to know "exactly" what you did to "improve" the AI. It's all too easy to make a blanket statement like that and no real improvement even exists. So please in "detail" tell us how you improved the AI.

they grew tentacles.



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