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SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> Complete Carriers at War? (11/21/2012 2:16:53 PM)

This is primarily a question for Matrix; Erik Rutins said that Complete Carriers at war was planned to be released early next year, this was stated some months back. The lack of a forum, or any other written word from either Matrix officials or SSG (whose website hasn't seen any action of note for months, if not years...) makes me doubt this.

Is there any word on this product or its stage of development?



IainMcNeil -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/21/2012 3:11:44 PM)

It is definitely coming but I don't have info on dates. Erik is about to head off for Thanksgiving but can get you more info next week.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/21/2012 3:41:00 PM)

Thank you Iain. I am impressed with your efficiency. I honestly thought this question would sit there for a few weeks without an answer like previous questions I have asked regarding SSG and any future products from them.

Again, thank you.



n01487477 -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/22/2012 1:12:59 AM)

It had better be better than their overpriced, fluff they brought out last time - I'm all for supporting Australian companies but it was unsupported, difficult to mod, had no campaign mode and was thus completely overpriced.. I believe niche markets can charge more but ... Just look at the pricing for a 2007 sub-standard game even now, even with a 34% discount...

Actually, I had more fun with HPS's Midway (although still has a bug or two) and was eagerly awaiting "Carrier Strike" until Grigsby & co pulled the pin on that for WITW. Phfft ! [;)]






undercovergeek -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/22/2012 10:45:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: n01487477

and was eagerly awaiting "Carrier Strike" until Grigsby & co pulled the pin on that for WITW. Phfft ! [;)]



Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [:(]



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/22/2012 3:54:44 PM)

I would be quite satisfied with an updated Complete Carriers at war, especially if it has the same amount of scenarios as the original.

I do agree that they need to do something about the modability of their games, though it must be said that this is a problem with most modern games; with more complexity, especially graphical, comes more needed tools and experience to do anything with them. A long way from the original Battlefront system games...



SuluSea -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (11/22/2012 4:48:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: n01487477

It had better be better than their overpriced, fluff they brought out last time - I'm all for supporting Australian companies but it was unsupported, difficult to mod, had no campaign mode and was thus completely overpriced.. I believe niche markets can charge more but ... Just look at the pricing for a 2007 sub-standard game even now, even with a 34% discount...

Actually, I had more fun with HPS's Midway (although still has a bug or two) and was eagerly awaiting "Carrier Strike" until Grigsby & co pulled the pin on that for WITW. Phfft ! [;)]







You stole my thunder Damian. I'd love to be pleasently surprised but I'm looking at this release to be more of the same. Sorry to be a buzzkill all.

I'm hoping someone picks up on Carrier Force because with all the land based ww2 wargames it seems to this consumer naval and/or Pacific is neglected.




SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (12/1/2012 1:03:05 PM)

So....

How is that information coming along? Anything solid?



blastpop -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (12/2/2012 9:22:18 PM)

Yes, Inquiring minds would like to know! [:)]



Erik Rutins -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (12/4/2012 4:55:13 AM)

Hi guys,

The folks at SSG have had a very rough couple of years, so timelines have been pretty mobile. I'll be chatting with Gregor and Roger during December to narrow down the timeline for CCAW, but I still expect it early next year as of this post.

Regards,

- Erik



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (12/4/2012 1:36:49 PM)

Thanks Erik,

I realise the tough time they have been having, and again I express my sympathy. I just honestly didn't know if these guys were even still in the business.

A couple of years ago a new Kharkov engine game was apparently "Almost done and it is awesome". This came from one of their beta tester/online gamer mates.

Then they are apparently releasing Complete Carriers at War, of which nobody knows just how far along the game is, what features it is having, etc etc, blah blah, and so on. And this to (of what we know) come early next year...Well...it is December...[;)] and no forum, no hype, no word...

No action on their forums here, no answers from them on any technical issues (just help from a few old gamers. And I understand that they trade pretty much exclusively through Matrix...), and no final patch for Kharkov/Across the Dnepr. Granted, it is only niggly problems that are no issue to playing the games but still, again they were apparently "almost done" on that patch and then forever silence...there is a reason I am posting this in general discussion after all...

No action on their forums there at run5, the place hasn't even been kept updated, and emails, offers of scenarios to post on their website for others to download, and so on...unanswered.

In any case, please let us know what is actually going on after you contact them Erik. I would be extremely pleased if they are still in business and continuing on, but really, the silence has been deafening.




SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/14/2013 12:31:22 PM)

Any news on this game? Or anything at all about the developers?



Ron -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/14/2013 4:26:35 PM)

I had been a huge fan of SSG since Battlefront and was very happy when they came back with the Decisive Battles series. However, it was clear that sales were not there and in consequence SSG's presence and support has been non-existent for several years. I paid the premium price initially because I liked their games and wanted to show my support, but after Kharkov-Across the Dnepr 2nd edition, no more. Even if they do come out with this or something else, I have written them off. There are other good games and definitely more responsive developers.



Veldor -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/18/2013 3:23:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron

Even if they do come out with this or something else, I have written them off. There are other good games and definitely more responsive developers.


What other game scratches this exact itch though? I'm still willing to pay a premium price for this one if that is what's needed.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/18/2013 1:06:11 PM)

I wish they would scratch the itch. However, even getting information about them or the game seems to need a premium price, let alone getting the game itself.



Ron -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/18/2013 4:17:39 PM)

Veldor, for me HPS's Midway.



Veldor -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (1/20/2013 1:44:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron

Veldor, for me HPS's Midway.


Yes I keep forgetting about HPS. Most of their games still look about the same as when they first started up. But I do admit Midway looked a whole lot better. I'm not sure why I had forgotten about it.

Does it have a decent tutorial? Does it happen to work with Windows 8? Does it really scratch that Carriers at War itch?



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (7/25/2013 2:52:48 PM)

Any further news on this product, or indeed anything at all SSG related?



Rtwfreak -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (7/26/2013 2:42:37 PM)

haha this is becoming one of those world in flames games or worse yet combat leader which was in the making for 5-7 years and then they canned it. I hate being led on too. I'm still waiting for Lock n Load hereoes of stalingrad.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/2/2013 4:20:59 AM)

I hear you RTW, but the main difference is that these guys have put out mostly top notch games since the dawn of computer wargames back in the very early 80's, year after year, so I kind of got used to waiting for the next game from them. I understand why they went silent for so long, but I thought they would have thrown a bone or two by now...after all, I am only asking so I know when I will be able to throw some money at them...

Hopefully they can tell us something in regards to their plans and how they are going.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/14/2013 12:11:29 PM)

Eric? Iain? Last december is a fair while ago now...

Anything at all regarding SSG?

I tried emailing them again. Nothing.

No replies at the Run 5 forums.

Have Matrix discussed anything with them? Any games happening? Are they still in business?



Fred98 -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/14/2013 1:53:49 PM)

I saw a comment on the Run5 forum many months ago which could be interpreted as "after Ian died they went out of business".




Challerain -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/14/2013 8:35:33 PM)

Here is the post by Roger Keating I thought of when I read Joe's reply above. This was specifically to Battlefront, but perhaps the general feeling about SSG as well.

quote:

I suppose the real problem here now is that since Ian died the motivation for developing the series died with him. I now spend my time teaching college students about Game Design.

I still find that there is little demand in finding anything out about AI techniques and besides a couple of comments here no one has approached me to develop the series.

Putting it on the iPad would be a great step but I think I am the only person who truly understands the code so without my input it would not be possible.

I would like to think that this would be possible one day but I personally do not see it happening.

Perhaps some of the students I teach will one day join me in such an enterprise but I feel the chances are equivalent to (place any battle here that would be appropriate, such as Japan in it's fight against Russian forces in 1939).



sullafelix -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/14/2013 9:34:35 PM)

It reminds me of Octavian's speech about Antony's death in Cleopatra.

The " death " of SSG should have resounded like a thunderclap not a whimper.

I had no idea that it was in effect gone.

The amount of my life I have spent since the early 80s playing SSG games represents a large chunk of my computer gaming since then.



Agathosdaimon -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/15/2013 12:11:16 PM)

that is very sad that Ian passed away and it was not more widely known. The SSG games are absolutely outstanding models of how thrilling and realistic wargames even in abstraction can be - i have played battlefront recently and loved how it is not a game that you can just win with "gamey" unrealistic tactics at all. Great great games and i really hope that the code can continue on in new forms.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/16/2013 2:38:58 PM)

Hmm, I hope you blokes are wrong.

I know Ian was the point man of the outfit, so perhaps that is what is missing. Someone to lead them on and drive the charge home. They still have the tech/code guru Roger there, and it would be a great pity not to have his expertise still running through new wargame releases. From the above, it seems he wouldn't say no to someone wanting to 'develop' the series, but what does this mean? Someone to write up new scenarios to sell? Offer ideas and testing on new rules implementations?




Gilmer -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/18/2013 6:58:10 AM)

From what it sounds like from what I have seen, Roger Keating, the one that commented, is willing, but cannot do it by himself and he has no one else that will commit the time. This happens all the time in small companies where they have a dynamic leader, but when they lose that leader no one is willing to step up and be the leader or feel they aren't capable of it. So, the company falls apart, slowly or quickly.

I like their titles. But, I feel a little leery of buying any due to knowing there is probably no support left. I'd hate to buy a game that won't work and having to rely on the community to get it up and running. Nothing against communities like the ones we have here, but when no one is truly on the line to get things solved, problems can go a long time unsolved.



Agathosdaimon -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (8/20/2013 1:13:41 PM)

I just saw that Erik Rutins mentioned in the thread on $10 old wargames that a new version of CaW will be coming out soon or something - surprising given whats mentioned on the run5 forums. i would like to hear something more definite on this



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (4/19/2019 1:55:43 PM)

Hey all, any news on this game?[;)]

I just thought I would pop over to the SSG Run5 forums...they seem to have gone down, though the site itself still sits there. It reminds me of an old Victorian building, its roof slowly sagging in, weeds growing in the gutters peeling wallpaper and paint sheeting off the walls, and the smell of mildew...

Ah well. SSG, thanks for all of the great years. I might go and play Complete Carriers at war again. On dosbox.



Greybriar -> RE: Complete Carriers at War? (4/21/2019 3:20:02 AM)

I believe most things connected with SSG began to decline after Ian Trout died in 2011. [:(]



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