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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/15/2018 8:59:37 PM)

4/29/45

Air Losses: This was an ugly day for the Allies. Bad weather over my main airfield (Gunzan) contributed to issues all over the place.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/15/2018 9:44:21 PM)

4/29/45

CenPac: Inveterate raiders raid because that's what they do.


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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/15/2018 10:04:49 PM)

4/29/45

Asia: Organized resistance ended in all but the extreme NE corner of China. The full Allied army is moving on Peiping now. I think there's time left to get into the city and attack before the game ends. It may be something like 10k AV vs. 50k troops, which should be one-sided. I'll need it if the air war continues to be a tough-nut.

Korea: Promising attack at Chinhai, right above Fusan. John has roughly 150k troops about to get trapped down here. But his CAP trap worked well against Death Star strike aircraft and escorts.

Home Islands: Weather knocked out the sweep vs. Osaka and the port raid vs. Ominato and reduced the escorts to Nagasaki by half but left most of the bombers targeting Nagasaki free to go. John loaded up the base with fighters, which knocked down a goodly number of bombers.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/15/2018 10:18:55 PM)

4/29/45

Intel Screen: Allies somehow manage to net points on the day but lose meaningful ground in the VP chase - back to where I was two days ago. Shoot.

Singapore: Allied army made 22 miles today in Move mode. I can't take the risk that might jump to 24 tomorrow, so I've converted the army to Combat mode. Crossing should take place in two or three days.

Superforts: They stood down today. The "fleet" is rested with lots of maintenance complete. I'm going to rest them tomorrow, too. I want the dust to settle a bit - get a feel for what John's up to.

Air Losses: Today was tough but it wasn't as bad as it looked. Many of my losses were Helldivers and Avengers. The rest are spread across the board so that I didn't lose a critical number of anything. John's losses were mostly fighters, which are critical to him now. If I can get my sweeps in the air again (Osaka has been socked in for two days), I'll feel better. I'm confident that Allied fighters can take control of the air over the next two weeks or so if weather cooperates.



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AcePylut -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 1:11:11 PM)

Not sure if you’ve done this before yet or how it worked out – but perhaps, as an option, instead of trying to “miss the cap trap”… go full on at a cap trap and either break it, or make him run away.

I.e. pick out a big industrial base that’s got lots of points, and sweep it for about 4-5-6 days in a row. You’re telegraphing exactly where your bombers are going to hit. So he’s going to bring his fighters there. But you keep sweeping with your fighters. Eventually, he’s going to have his fighter force broken (or you will, not sure of your pools at this point, or your pilot quality, or his pools, or his quality). Once you get the sense you have Air Superiority – send in the heavies. At least if something goes bad (like your main escort fighter base being grounded due to weather), you aren’t sending in the bombers into heavy CAP.

Just a thought, not sure if it would work. Your game - your decisions on what to do :)



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 2:19:35 PM)

That's the plan, with Osaka the target. Weather knocked out my sweeps on consecutive days. I think there's enough points at Osaka to finish the game, in compliment with what's going on in Korea and China.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 7:50:06 PM)

4/30/45

Naval Battle of Fusan: On the last day of April, a sharp naval engagement takes place between two Allied TFs and two Japanese TFs. The opening engagement takes place between Halsey's TF, including CB Alaska and CA Baltimore. The Japenese TF has BB Kirishima and BB Kongo. The opening round includes the torpedoeing of Alaska (my work computer, for some reason, doesn't show smoke or fire damage, so the images don't convey the extent of the damage inflicted and suffered).




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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 7:55:10 PM)

4/30/45

Battle of Fusan, Round 2: Allied CL/DD TF then tangles with the enemy BBs and do some good work. I lose a CL, John loses five more DDs, and other ships take heavy damage. It's a tough battle at close range.


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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:03:58 PM)

4/30/45

Naval Battle of Fusan, Rounds 3-5: IJN CA/DD TF comes in and applies the coup-de-grace on CB Alaska and CL Phoenix.

On the day, the Allies lose a CB and two CL. The Japanese lose six DD. One BB takes "heavy fires/heavy damage" and is probably crippled and out of the war.

What's this battle all about? John may be seeking "final engagements" or he may be covering some kind of evacuation (or reinforcing?) at Fusan.

On my side, the aim is address enemy shipping around Fusan so that when the army takes Fusan, the navy can use the port as a forward base of operations. This was a tough and costly battle for the Allies. It affects Auto Victory negatively. But, if the war should drag into mid or late May, it advances the goal of addressing security at Fusan. Or, I should say, it's a step in the right direction.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:34:05 PM)

4/30/45

It was a good day for the ground forces, especially in Korea.

Battle of Chinhae: Allies take Chinhae, beating up large Japanese army that retires to Fusan. The road is now open to Fusan.

I don't know yet if John will Dunkirk at Fusan or if he might reinforce or allow it to simply stand on its own. My army should arrive at Fusan in two or three days. Today's sea battle was one step towards taking control of the sea lanes around Fusan, preventing John from bombardment my army.



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MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:46:30 PM)

Tonight's Dessert... Baked Alaska

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:48:05 PM)

4/30/45

Sweeping Osaka: The weather cooperated today so that a series of six or eight large sweeps tangled with stout enemy CAP over Osaka. I think, but I'm not sure, this is John's A-Team. The Allied fighters performed well and inflicted heavy losses on the enemy.

Chinhae, Korea, had two large fighter battles, both of which ended in Allied victories.

John still has reserves of good fighters and good pilots but it looks like the Allies are able to dominate the air now. I think tomorrow I'll try for more large sweeps of Osaka and another target - Nagoya or Tokyo. Soon the B-29s will resume hitting targets. And the B-24s and B-25s should be available in large numbers too, as the ground campaign in Korea is about to wrap up.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:48:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Tonight's Dessert... Baked Alaska

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Dang, that's cold. You'd be better served posting that in John's AAR (no doubt you've done so!).



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:52:10 PM)

4/30/45

KB Raid CenPac: Crickets in the Pacific.

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MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 8:58:29 PM)

Well I'am watching a documentary on Cold Harbor. Will do with "From Canoerebel.."



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:00:31 PM)

Huh?



HansBolter -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:01:34 PM)

We are dying to know if Halsey survived the sinking of his flagship....



MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:02:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Huh?


I'am watching a documentary on Cold Harbor (Civil War Battle)



"Canoerebel sends this dessert to you... Baked Alaska"



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:14:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Huh?


I'am watching a documentary on Cold Harbor (Civil War Battle)



"Canoerebel sends this dessert to you... Baked Alaska"



Oh, I thought you meant Cold Harbor in the Aleutians. Context, man, context.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:16:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter
We are dying to know if Halsey survived the sinking of his flagship....


Yes, Halsey survived. He's aboard CA Baltimore at Moppo. Should I continue to use him? He didn't run rings around the Japanese TF but he fought hard and did pretty well.



JohnDillworth -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:16:05 PM)


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Today's sea battle was one step towards taking control of the sea lanes around Fusan, preventing John from bombardment my army


I'm not following. From here it looks like you lost the sea battle and John controls the waters around Fusan. How is this preventing John from bombarding you, evacuate troops from Fusan, engaging you in another see battle or all of the above? He won the battle, controls the field and you are not really in a psoition to contest that unless you send more ships in.



MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:16:06 PM)

"Battle of Cold Harbor, (May 31–June 12, 1864), disastrous defeat for the Union Army during the American Civil War (1861–65) that caused some 18,000 casualties. Continuing his relentless drive toward the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, General Ulysses S. Grant ordered a frontal infantry assault on General Robert E. Lee’s Confederate troops, who were now entrenched at Cold Harbor, some 10 miles (16 km) northeast of Richmond. The result was Lee’s last major victory of the war and a bloodbath for the Union army"

The Battle of Cold Harbor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6dw4fcZYk



MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:16:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Huh?


I'am watching a documentary on Cold Harbor (Civil War Battle)



"Canoerebel sends this dessert to you... Baked Alaska"



Oh, I thought you meant Cold Harbor in the Aleutians. Context, man, context.



AHH, I forgot that one.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:19:42 PM)

4/30/45

Asia: A very good day for the Allies on the ground and in the air. Even the deflating (and costly, from a VP standpoint) sea battle advanced the possibility of taking control of Fusan by sea, land and air. Japan is really in bad shape...and yet there's John's annoying habit of striking and scoring points, preventing me from closing the deal. I'm about to look at the Intel Screen/Score to see how today balanced overall. The sea battle hurt, but possibly the Allies made a little progress.

I know this: Yesterday's air battle had no silver lining (well, except John did lose 130 fighters, which I shouldn't dismiss). Today's sea battle did, I think.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:27:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
I'm not following. From here it looks like you lost the sea battle and John controls the waters around Fusan. How is this preventing John from bombarding you, evacuate troops from Fusan, engaging you in another see battle or all of the above? He won the battle, controls the field and you are not really in a psoition to contest that unless you send more ships in.


I have the advantage of looking at the map and seeing what's close by.

John's TFs were victorious but beat up. In two days, he lost 9 DDs. His two BBs are at least somewhat battered. His CA TF is in pretty good shape and is dangerous. I don't know what else he has out there. I suspect not much.

I have five good TFs at Moppo that re replenished and ready to go. They include two Commonwealth CLs and CA Baltimore. I have Death Star and it's strong combat TFs two hexes west. And I have about eight good TFs at Gunzan (and more at Shanghai). So sort of like the Union Army in 1864, I can feed big, fresh units into the front lines. John still holds that line at the moment, but I don't think he has the depth to maintain that control.

And what happens in three days when the Allied army arrives at Fusan? I think he's going to lose the base within ten days and then air cover becomes problematic for him.

If John has lots of strong combat ships in reserve, I may be wrong. I think I'm right. Let's see what the sea lanes look like in a week.





HansBolter -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:29:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
We are dying to know if Halsey survived the sinking of his flagship....


Yes, Halsey survived. He's aboard CA Baltimore at Moppo. Should I continue to use him? He didn't run rings around the Japanese TF but he fought hard and did pretty well.




Personally, Arliegh Burke is my favorite surface combat TF commander. I'd give him a shot at the next round.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 9:44:14 PM)

4/30/45

Intel Screen: Today's defeat in the Naval Battle of Fusan slowed the march to victory. If I'm right, though, it diminished what John has left to fight with in this area while the Allies have a lot of fresh and strong TFs to commit. The question is when to commit them. I'm leery of the big airfields and kamikazes, yet I need to protect my army that is about to besiege Fusan. A complex and challenging situation.

I could have sat back and not pushed here - relying on the ground war in China and the air war to achieve 2:1. But two or three days ago, when all of this was being set into motion, I wasn't sure (not nearly as sure as I am after today's air battles) that the Allies could take on the Japanese air force over Osaka and points north. So I elected to continue pushing forward - at Singapore, towards Fusan, etc. That choice is definitely open to criticism. But it's more fun not letting the foot off the gas pedal. And, who knows, maybe I'll need Fusan and/or Singers to achieve AV.

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Drakanel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 10:05:26 PM)

Frankly, I don't see who would criticize you over that.
One, it makes sense to do it. You have the strength to do it, to fight on all those fronts.
Two, it's better to have multiple approach vectors instead of just one. Having multiple plans means that even if something does not go well in one of them, you still have the others to bring home more points.
And most importantly three, it's a game and it's fun to do it. Especially now that the game is more or less decided. So why not try to have some more fun [8D]



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 10:12:34 PM)

Thanks. Those are encouraging words.

Neither John or I did things that might be natural under these circumstances - late in a game with one side powerful and the other side battered and reeling but able to strike. I'm not coasting to victory - I'm giving this everything I have and I'm still playing as though the game can continue indefinitely. I'm working supply lines in the Pacific and gathering troops at Ceram to invade Java and prepping troops in Korea to invade Japan. I want to win as soon as I can but I know that there are no guarantees. From John's standpoint, he's never given in or thrown up his hands. He's looking for ways to fight and parry and delay the inevitable.

As I mentioned yesterday, I do wish I could see the invasion of Java and Japan and do all the other things that are in the works. But at some point within the next couple of weeks (I think), the game is going to suddenly and abruptly end. That's going to be a shock. I bet I'll have more regrets than pleasure!



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/16/2018 10:16:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
We are dying to know if Halsey survived the sinking of his flagship....


Yes, Halsey survived. He's aboard CA Baltimore at Moppo. Should I continue to use him? He didn't run rings around the Japanese TF but he fought hard and did pretty well.


Halsey's strength and weakness is his high aggressiveness. IIRC, his Air skill is higher than his Naval skill and the battle of Fusan called for more naval skill. I think his aggressiveness may have played a part in getting Alaska torpedoed. You had enough DDs to screen her if she hung back and let the DDs tangle. But your DDs suffered little damage, meaning Halsey in Alaska was out front leading the charge. At least that is the way I interpret it.



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