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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/20/2018 5:25:20 PM)

5/3/45

Korea: It doesn't look like John has further Dunkirking plans at Fusan. He has 68k troops including all or parts of five divisions. The Allied army attacks tomorrow.

China: Allied army gathering near Peiping. It'll be another six days or so before the first attack.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/20/2018 5:37:29 PM)

5/3/45

Intel Screen: Good day on the scoreboard. Strategic Bombing is the biggest contributor - especially adding in the enemy aircraft destroyed on the ground. Some of the B-29s on the Osaka raids targeted the airfield.

It looks like Strat Bombing and Army Loss points will provide the bulk of the points the rest of the way (unless John banzaiis his fleet).




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BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/20/2018 9:35:53 PM)

Nearly 24K Japanese aircraft destroyed (~25% more than your losses) - that is a staggering number. Even with the advantages the mod provides and good management of the economy to build max aircraft, it seems he is scraping the bottom of the barrel now. As noted before, pilot quality is also an issue for the Japanese.
I think once you get Fusan the extra few hexes shaved off the distance to Tokyo will mean disaster for his weakened defences.



ericv -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 2:40:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Nearly 24K Japanese aircraft destroyed (~25% more than your losses) - that is a staggering number. Even with the advantages the mod provides and good management of the economy to build max aircraft, it seems he is scraping the bottom of the barrel now. As noted before, pilot quality is also an issue for the Japanese.
I think once you get Fusan the extra few hexes shaved off the distance to Tokyo will mean disaster for his weakened defences.



I read 43k. Don't know where the 24k is coming from



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 5:20:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ericv


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Nearly 24K Japanese aircraft destroyed (~25% more than your losses) - that is a staggering number. Even with the advantages the mod provides and good management of the economy to build max aircraft, it seems he is scraping the bottom of the barrel now. As noted before, pilot quality is also an issue for the Japanese.
I think once you get Fusan the extra few hexes shaved off the distance to Tokyo will mean disaster for his weakened defences.



I read 43k. Don't know where the 24k is coming from

Oops - I just looked at Air to Air losses - no overall total on aircraft losses unless you add them up by type of loss. Doesn't the 43K points include some double points for bombers, or is that just for the Allied 4E bombers?



Panther Bait -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 3:47:05 PM)

If you add up the losses on the left side it is 43,029 Japanese losses to 30,987 Allied losses. I believe those numbers are true airframe losses (maybe FOW for the Japanese losses?).

On the right hand side, I believe the Aircraft Points totals should include the "extra" points for 4E bomber losses for the Allies (43029 to 34452).

Mike



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 4:39:10 PM)

5/4/45

Battle of Fusan: Opening deliberate attack doesn't touch six forts at 1:2, but enemy casualty numbers are encouraging (but Allied disablements high). Lots of reinforcements coming up, but the road from Masan is a bad one. I think the game will end before the Allies take this base.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 4:59:52 PM)

5/4/45

Strategic Bombing: Strong and effective attack vs. Osaka today.

Korea: Probing deliberate attack shows six forts. Reinforcements are coming but will take awhile due to poor roads at Masan.

China: Allied army now across the river in numbers, with much more coming. First group may begin the move on Peiping in a day or two.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 5:12:59 PM)

5/4/45

Intel Screen: Another good day, with AV now about 3,500 points away. Strat. Bombing continues to lead the way. Osaka has more than enough points left to provide what's needed for victory, so I'll keep targeting it until John puts stout CAP over the base. (The Allies also hit Muroran on Hokkaido, doing a lot of damage there.)

KB: Steaming west, still on the radar screen NW of Midway.

Singers: John employed a lot of bombers vs. the Allied besiegers, to little effect. I can't envision a scenario in which something good or bad happens here before war's end.



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witpqs -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 5:24:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

5/4/45

Battle of Fusan: Opening deliberate attack doesn't touch six forts at 1:2, but enemy casualty numbers are encouraging (but Allied disablements high). Lots of reinforcements coming up, but the road from Masan is a bad one. I think the game will end before the Allies take this base.



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If you get enough reinforcements up this might be a good place for rotating attacks between different groups of units to keep the defenders out of breath every turn.



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/21/2018 9:14:43 PM)

The supply issues that are affecting his ability to keep points for the bases he controls are also helping you in China and at Port Arthur.

In China his units are cut off from all supply and will be easy to eliminate - no recovery from disablements.

At Port Arthur, there is only one hex side bringing in supply and you walked through it. I doubt he can fly in significant supply and the organic industry at Pt. Arthur does not produce enough to feed a stack of beat up units. Only a matter of time there unless he can march a unit in to open the hex side again.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/22/2018 4:56:39 AM)

I'll be hiking in the mountains tomorrow, because that's what inveterate hikers do. The plan calls for 15.5 miles on the Pinhoti Trail near Fort Mountain, which will provide ample time for thinking about nearly everything, including the game.

During a quick, steep little jog today on Lavender Mountain, that's what I thought about. Well, sort of. I actually thought about the Forum; about you guys; and my gratitude to all of you for reading, encouraging, admonishing, suggesting, mentoring, correcting, and traveling off on tangents. Best forum ever. Great men (plus Graffin Zeppelin).

You guys gave advice when requested and, on rare occasions, went quiet when I asked for space to muddle through on my own. A few of you were frustrated when your vision exceeded mine. Sometimes I got testy in return. But mostly the conversations were cordial and fun. You gave great book recommendations and participated in the great female singer vote (who did we choose, ultimately? Stevie Nix? Linda Rondstadt?) crsutton mentioned EmiLou Harris, which prompted me to binge-watch her song videos for weeks afterwards. Someone else (I forgot who, sorry!) tpped me off to The Band's version of "The Night they Drove Ol' Dixie Down," and I probably watched that video 50 times over the following months. You gave tips to great books. We exchanged photos of hiking, cemeteries and other things. You provided feedback or information that helped me write stories. Many of you have been following for more than five years; some have fallen away from the Forum; others are newcomers (and how do they already know more about the game than I do?).

As noted, sometimes things got testy. One of the elite AE players snapped when I posted that I wasn't sure where John's carriers were going as they steamed into the Makassar Strait. "Come on!" he said with exasperation, "we all know where he's going!" Sadly, I didn't.

I learned over and over again that the Forum is a community of smart and thoughtful men (and one woman). You come from all over - Korea, Australia, Canada, Scotland, Germany, Long Island and Maryland. As I've said before, I could call on any of you in a hour of need and would find a willing, gracious friend.

I hope there are many years of comradeship ahead. Thanks you for everything.




SierraJuliet -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/22/2018 6:22:21 AM)

And you CR are one deserving man too. Your AAR is always an interesting and thoughtful read for all kinds of reasons. When you do finally finish this epic we will be looking forward to following along once again.



Barb -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/22/2018 6:55:47 AM)

Not that bad actually, your loss is about 150-200 raw AV (or about 11%), which will probably be made up rather quickly.
His losses represent at least 180 raw AV (or about 23%), which without supply are as good as permanent.

So the Raw AV ratio went from 2.2:1 to 2.55:1. Pending arrival of some reinforcements and Combat Engineers it would be rather quick. If you add some CAS and coastal bombardment the defenses will fold up quickly.

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paullus99 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/22/2018 11:33:00 AM)

If John decided to reinforce (either by sea or air), he'd just be throwing good money after bad....although, given that the game will be over in a couple of weeks (at most), all of those troops sitting in the Home Islands aren't doing anything anyway....



Lecivius -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/22/2018 2:54:59 PM)

When this game ends, one of my major sanity checks at work will end with it. I sincerely hope you both start new games & continue the AAR's that have made this entire game interesting, and enjoyable.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 12:03:47 AM)

5/5/45

Intel Screen: Allies continue march towards AV (allowing for the possibility of future perturbations). Strategic bombing and Base Points were the main contributors.


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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 12:29:08 AM)

5/5/45

China: Decent chance there's time left for the Allies to attack at Peiping, at least once.

Korea: Allies have the troops to wrap up Korea within a the month but movement on poor roads limits what can be done over the next six or seven days.

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CaptBeefheart -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 6:52:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet

And you CR are one deserving man too. Your AAR is always an interesting and thoughtful read for all kinds of reasons. When you do finally finish this epic we will be looking forward to following along once again.


Hear, hear.

Cheers,
CC



witpqs -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 8:17:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius

When this game ends, one of my major sanity checks at work will end with it. I sincerely hope you both start new games & continue the AAR's that have made this entire game interesting, and enjoyable.

Don't sweat it - they've all been false positives anyway! [:'(] [:D] [;)]



Powloon -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 8:19:16 AM)

Just wanted to say what a great AAR you've put together the perfect accompaniment to my morning coffee [:)]. Going to miss it when you finish.

Only one thing please, please can you deal with those 2 Japanese bases opposite shanghai they are a blemish on an otherwise spotless China [:)]



Powloon -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 8:29:45 AM)

Don't know if this is just me it is interesting how if you add the point sub totals together they don't seem to match the total points. If I had to guess (assuming I did my sums right of course) it looks like the points under scoring appear to reflect FOW whilst the total seems to reflect actual points (its the same points total as reported in Johns AAR). If that's true I guess you could potentially use that to work out if you had actually sunk a ship or not [:)]



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 12:14:32 PM)

5/6/45

Intel Screen: One of the best scoring days of the war.

Strategic Bombing: The past two turns, John has put a lot of CAP over Osaka. Aliied sweeps and escorts have handled this, so the raids have been effective and enemy fighter losses substantial. Today, raids included targeting airfields at Palembang and Tsu, which destroyed a lot of aircraft on the ground.

Singers: John's flying lots of bombing raids vs. Allied troops to little effect. Reinforcements including 8th Indian Div. landed at Victoria Point don't have enough time to reach the front before war's end.

China: Allied troops begin arriving at Peiping perhaps as early as tomorrow. First attack probably four to six days away. Per comment (Powloon, I think): I didn't take the two IJ bases near Shanghai simply because I didn't want to have to garrison them. Not enough time now to get troops there.

Korea: Allied troops at Fusan need a few more days to recover fatigue and disruption. 14th IJA Div. at Taiden will vanish soon.

John III: Will he or won't he? Banzai? I don't know. Maybe 50/50 odds. Unless there is a perturbation, the war should end in four to six days.



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 4:13:38 PM)

5/7/45

Intel Screen: A decent day for scoring, mainly through strategic bombing of Osaka. John only put up a handful of CAP today.

I'll post a detailed screen tonight, after I return from delivering magazines to Atlanta. Not my favorite way to spend the day but it must be done.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 4:26:26 PM)

Yesterday's hike on the Pinhoti Trail covered 15 miles, plus 1.5 miles wandering around disoriented or taking wrong turns.

This stretch of the Pinhoti leaves the Ridge and Valley province of Georgia and enters the Cohutta Range of the Blue Ridge Mountains. We spent much of the day following Rock Creek and it's tributaries. Today it's wild and remote country.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 4:28:39 PM)

While this is now wild, remote country, it wasn't always. The bottoms along the creeks are nearly flat. These were once farm fields with extensive "pioneer" settlements that probably existed up through the 1930s or so. The U.S. Forest Service still mows/maintains the fields as game openings.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 4:29:59 PM)

Before the pioneers came along, the Cherokee Indians probably settled this area. There is widespread belief in Georgia that the Cherokee bent trees like this one to mark trails or landmarks. They didn't. Bent trees are natural.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 4:32:14 PM)

After about 10 miles of hiking in record-breaking heat with no hardwood canopy to ward off the sunlight, the trail turned steeply up the side of Tatum Lead, following an old wagon road. The trail climbed roughly 1,000 feet over the next mile and a quarter. It was tough going. I was gassed. At the end of the climb, the trail topped off in a gap atop Tatum Lead. Here my hiking buddy is approaching that gap. We still had about four miles to go and I was already gassed.

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pws1225 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 5:45:45 PM)

That's pretty country up there.



MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (2/23/2018 5:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel


As for the concentration camps, that’s the saddest, most compelling chapter of human history that I’m familiar with.




There is no shortage of events to fraternize with.


I have a witnessed account of a Shawnee torture ceremony of a captured U.S. military commander that starts off like a drizzle and slowly develops into a thunderstorm with a embedded tornado.
No words can describe the feeling from the words of the actions.


Or the Confederate General, who after the Civil War stated that the Creek Removal from the South (by the U.S. and the Cherokee Nation) was the saddess thing Ive seen. The same Cherokees that want you to cry over their "Trail of Tears"


Is it just numbers?


"The Ukrainian Genocide of 1932–33 was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an officially estimated 7 million to 10 million people. It was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33, which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country."


Japan killed 20 million Chinese people. (Some estimates have put the figure as high as 50 million, will likely never know the exact extent of Japan’s barbarity.)

In other parts of Asia, including Malaya, Burma, Indochina, the Philippines and the Dutch West Indies. In those invasions, the Japanese killed an additional 8.6 million people.


The sadness of this world fills a VERY long scroll.


I'd studied more on the WW2 Holocaust by the time I was 16 than most people will study their entire life. The number 6 million was in many newspapers in the late 1800s to early 1900s. The Jewish Holocaust happened but it is also exaggerated.


As a beginning study of the German Camp System I suggest reading a book on SS Officer - Theodor Eicke. He is the one that shot Ernst Röhm. He was one of the "guiding force" of the Camp System that began with his reorganization of the Dachau camp. It was Eicke who introduced the blue and white striped pajamas

When the war started he commanded the 3rdSS until his death in 1943, the Third Battle of Kharkov.
He was a hardcore military commander. His solders that violated discipline were sent to the camps as prisoners. The German defense of the Demyansk Pocket '42 was due to the fortitude of the 3rdSS and the core of that rock was Eicke, as he was a core in the Concentration Camp System.



Quoth the raven...




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