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Kaiman -> This result is normal? (12/22/2012 3:11:29 PM)

This result is normal?

[image]http://kaiman.eu5.org/images/incredible.jpg[/image]

Thx



Apollo11 -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 4:59:33 PM)

Hi all,

What version of WitE are you playing?


Leo "Apollo11"



elmo3 -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 5:46:20 PM)

Looks OK to me. The modified combat value at the end of the battle is 1.1 to 1 (710 to 644). Since it's October '41 the Soviet attack doctrine makes the final odd 2.1 to 1 (see rule 15.8) which causes the defender to retreat. Regarding losses, take a look at the Show Details tab to see where the losses happened. Could have been a lot from retreat attrition.



Kaiman -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 6:47:47 PM)


Update 1.06.19



quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

What version of WitE are you playing?


Leo "Apollo11"




Kaiman -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 7:28:28 PM)


Thanks for your reply


quote:

ORIGINAL: elmo3

Looks OK to me. The modified combat value at the end of the battle is 1.1 to 1 (710 to 644). Since it's October '41 the Soviet attack doctrine makes the final odd 2.1 to 1 (see rule 15.8) which causes the defender to retreat. Regarding losses, take a look at the Show Details tab to see where the losses happened. Could have been a lot from retreat attrition.




gingerbread -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 9:11:57 PM)

Well, 40k defending Germans causing < 500 casualties and only 3 AFV's is IMO not normal, but then there were many previous battles in the hex so it could be an out-of/low ammo problem. These have been addressed in 1.06.22.

In any case, the Soviets made their rolls and that happens now and then, so the victory as such is not unreasonable.



Kaiman -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 10:20:11 PM)

40% fuel 70% ammo

quote:

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Well, 40k defending Germans causing < 500 casualties and only 3 AFV's is IMO not normal, but then there were many previous battles in the hex so it could be an out-of/low ammo problem. These have been addressed in 1.06.22.

In any case, the Soviets made their rolls and that happens now and then, so the victory as such is not unreasonable.




Peltonx -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 10:36:44 PM)

I say mostly from retreat losses and lack of ammo.



Joel Billings -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 11:46:38 PM)

I assume the 40% fuel and 70% ammo is at the end of the previous German turn? It could be an ammo issue based on the number of battles (i.e. your units were run out of fuel and ammo and had problems when forced to retreat). Would be interesting to see what the prior battles in the hex looked like and what it would look like with the .22 changes to combat/ammo usage.



Apollo11 -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 11:54:51 PM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I assume the 40% fuel and 70% ammo is at the end of the previous German turn? It could be an ammo issue based on the number of battles (i.e. your units were run out of fuel and ammo and had problems when forced to retreat). Would be interesting to see what the prior battles in the hex looked like and what it would look like with the .22 changes to combat/ammo usage.


This is exactly why I asked what version of WitE was user using... it was attack 5 out of 16...


Leo "Apollo11"



Apollo11 -> RE: This result is normal? (12/22/2012 11:56:49 PM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaiman

Update 1.06.19

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

What version of WitE are you playing?



OK.

Is this PBEM / server game or vs. AI?

Can you re-play this with latest BETA version that deals with ammo consumption and repeated attacks (in screen you posted it was attack 5 out of 16)?



Leo "Apollo11"



schmolywar -> RE: This result is normal? (12/23/2012 7:52:05 AM)

Kaiman; I did a bunch of hasty assaults first with units that couldnt do a full assault. Then I did alot of bombing on the hex. THEN came the main assault. There were several battles for that result.

Your units also retreated across two full hexes.




morvael -> RE: This result is normal? (12/23/2012 12:51:27 PM)

I guess this is why the ammo fix was introduced in latest beta patch.



Scook_99 -> RE: This result is normal? (12/24/2012 3:23:51 PM)

If the question is, is that normal, I would answer no. Is it in the realm of possibility? Yes. Check every turn and see what losses are, you will find quite a variance, but there will be a bell curve for losses.



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