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ORIGINAL: wodin

Whatever the reason, people have the right to feel put out by it and others the right to be OK with it. Just because some aren't bothered doesn't make others claim any less legitimate.

Anyway those who are abit out out have voiced their concerns. Not sure jumping on them or arguing with them will make their grievance go away. The game isn't that important to me, if it was I'd carry on buying regardless however this still doesn't take away he fact I feel abit duped.

AGEOD released WW1Gold which I'm truly thankful for but I think until the decide to make a tactical game..hint hint..I shan't bother buying anymore games from them.

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ORIGINAL: Hexagon

And a guy that with 0 arguments insist in same facts that are false.

And yes, the use of the word EXPANSION is very important if you are unable to understand it... expect that you never have problems in your life with words that made you take wrong decisions when they are used to confuse you.

AGEOD has lots of games and ihave practically ALL buyed first days of release BUT in none of them they say or use the words EXPANSION PACKS, they do all fine until AJE because they dont use false info with their customers... your argument is like i say "a killer is inocent because before his kill he was a legal guy, we cant judge him" [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Bletchley_Geek

This is a very bad case of splitting hairs, guys. Some things to keep in mind:

1) As DBeves pointed earlier, the difference between the standalone pricing (20 euros) and the "standard" DLC multiplied by five (the number of scens in BoR) is just 5 euros. And it could be argued that scenarios such as the First Punic War - a conflict as complex as one can imagine in playable wargame - could be priced at a higher price than just 2.99 euros. To draw an analogy, Hannibal - which is an excellent game, by the way, covering the Second Punic War - is sold for 29.90 euros.

2) I can understand wodin betting on buying AJE to get further scenarios as DLC, even if I don't find that to be a very sound standpoint, but I can also understand those who didn't buy AJE because they don't give a fig about anything Roman after the Macedonic Wars. For whatever reason, AGEOD deemed "wodinites" to be a minority. (And I think the pre-orders for AJE didn't really come in the thousands either). This scheme - BOR standalone - plays in favour of the guys sitting on the fence for AJE.

3) Phil has posted on the AGEOD forums that whoever feels necessary to get BOR scenarios working under AJE only needs to get in touch with him over e-mail for instructions to do so.

4) AGEOD games DLC are sold exclusively on AGEOD's web store, you won't find them on Matrix nor Slitherine's. I can understand the market strategy followed here: the Punic Wars are a topic which would attract many fans of Field Of Glory. So publishing BOR standalone - and therefore, being it available from Slitherine and Matrix - helps in increasing the potential reach of BOR.

My only worry about this "Standalonegate" is that now AGEOD will have to do twice the same work to distribute patches - here I am assuming that both AJE and BOR use exactly the same version of the AGEOD engine. That strikes me as a potential source of problems for them. But this is totally different matter.

@Treale: Regarding playability. I think AJE is - by far - the most playable of AGE engine games. It's far more playable than ACW, both because the refinements in the user interface, clever design decisions regarding strategic options, the fact that warfare in the Ancient age is a matter of big field armies moving around and sieges and scale.

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Hi guys

Ageods plan was to make them expansions but we explained to them how many people who wanted BoR would not want to buy AJE as well just to get the missions from BoR so it made a lot more sense to make it stand alone so people could choose what they wanted. The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time. This is best for gamers and best for us. AJE was released before Ageod joined the group. The pricing was planned to be the same either way - making it stand alone has not increased the price. There is no conspiracy theory about trying to con you in to buying AJE. There is no reason to moan. If we'd merged soon the change would have happened sooner. Lets not waste time arguing about something so unimportant! :)

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Hi guys

Ageods plan was to make them expansions but we explained to them how many people who wanted BoR would not want to buy AJE as well just to get the missions from BoR so it made a lot more sense to make it stand alone so people could choose what they wanted. The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time. This is best for gamers and best for us. AJE was released before Ageod joined the group. The pricing was planned to be the same either way - making it stand alone has not increased the price. There is no conspiracy theory about trying to con you in to buying AJE. There is no reason to moan. If we'd merged soon the change would have happened sooner. Lets not waste time arguing about something so unimportant! :)

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Hi guys

Ageods plan was to make them expansions but we explained to them how many people who wanted BoR would not want to buy AJE as well just to get the missions from BoR so it made a lot more sense to make it stand alone so people could choose what they wanted. The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time. This is best for gamers and best for us. AJE was released before Ageod joined the group. The pricing was planned to be the same either way - making it stand alone has not increased the price. There is no conspiracy theory about trying to con you in to buying AJE. There is no reason to moan. If we'd merged soon the change would have happened sooner. Lets not waste time arguing about something so unimportant! :)

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ORIGINAL: DBeves
Well I dont think "distribution" of patches is necessarily a major issue - more what Challerain said regarding keeping both games up to date.

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ORIGINAL: DBeves
That largely comes down to the code base. I have never understood why Tiller for example takes so long to update his games series as any one of them in the same series uses the same engine. That he has to do so would suggest inefficient coding practices in that he cant just update the engine and it takes care of all the games in a series. If AGEOD have coded efficiently keeping all the games in a series shouldnt be a hurdle at all.

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time.

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ORIGINAL: JiminyJickers

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Hi guys

Ageods plan was to make them expansions but we explained to them how many people who wanted BoR would not want to buy AJE as well just to get the missions from BoR so it made a lot more sense to make it stand alone so people could choose what they wanted. The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time. This is best for gamers and best for us. AJE was released before Ageod joined the group. The pricing was planned to be the same either way - making it stand alone has not increased the price. There is no conspiracy theory about trying to con you in to buying AJE. There is no reason to moan. If we'd merged soon the change would have happened sooner. Lets not waste time arguing about something so unimportant! :)

That makes sense to me as I am one of those guys, much more interested in Birth of Rome and don't care much about AJE.

Thanks for convincing them.

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ORIGINAL: wodin

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ORIGINAL: JiminyJickers

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Hi guys

Ageods plan was to make them expansions but we explained to them how many people who wanted BoR would not want to buy AJE as well just to get the missions from BoR so it made a lot more sense to make it stand alone so people could choose what they wanted. The plan is that small DLC packs like Cantabrian wars will remain expansions that require AJE but larger expansions like BoR will be stand alone so people can dip in at any time. This is best for gamers and best for us. AJE was released before Ageod joined the group. The pricing was planned to be the same either way - making it stand alone has not increased the price. There is no conspiracy theory about trying to con you in to buying AJE. There is no reason to moan. If we'd merged soon the change would have happened sooner. Lets not waste time arguing about something so unimportant! :)

That makes sense to me as I am one of those guys, much more interested in Birth of Rome and don't care much about AJE.

Thanks for convincing them.

Thats great for those who haven't already bought AJE however those who did because they believed they had to own it have a right to grumble..you where thinking of future customers but not the ones who already parted with their money thinking they needed the core game..yes it was a great price and all. Also yes if it was the case and we needed it yes we'd still have had to pay for BOR..however it turned out we didn't need it so say we really wanted BOR we've paid out double we had too. It may be unimportant to Slitherine and others, but not to those who payed out when they didn't need to.

Anyway I know it wasn't a conspiracy..I just think those who already had paid up thinking they needed it haven't been considered. Sort of well we've got their money already anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Hexagon

My last post in this topic but i am going to be clear.

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-Is a joke that you say is not important this when the change in distribution by stand alone games improve the price of the final product (a DLC scen cost 3 euros in stand alone cost 4) and force players that want more scens pay for scen packs no the scens they want (i only want 2 of the scens in ROR) and force them have more than 1 game installed when are the same engine with diferent scens.

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-If this game model of stand alone is to made customer buy the "pack" he wants... WTF you dont do the same in your Field of Glory (i buy all except the last army pack) or Battlefield (i only buy the french pack)??? then this model is good for your games but bad for AGEOD games...

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I buy AJE in preorder in AGEOD, i support them buying their games but this movement made me take the decision of dont buy more AGEOD games in preorder or first days, i feel cheated and as we say in my country "one and no more".

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I know others that buy ROR an expect they enjoy it but after AGEOD change in their anounced plans i am going to see facts no promises before buy something from them.

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EDIT: for me the problem is reduce to the AGEOD change in anounced plans (that where my buy info line because they never change them), for me (because my grandpa teach me this) a man value is on his words, if is unable to mantein their words/promises dont give him credibility... only believe 50% of the things he do and 0% of things he says.

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Regarding the bloat on your hard drive caused by having two full intallations, if you email the devs or contact them via the ageod forums they have a solution ~BofH