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Miller -> The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 4:38:14 PM)

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Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 93 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 6 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 14 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 64 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 7 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 111 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 18 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 10 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 19 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 29 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 6 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 47 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 8 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 52 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 6 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 17 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 21 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 5 damaged
O-47A: 2 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
C-33: 2 damaged
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
SNJ-3 Texan: 3 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PC Tiger, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
DM Montgomery
CM Oglala
DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Ramsay, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Helena, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Dolphin, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Bagley, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Sicard, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dale, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT-22, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Schley, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Downes, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AM Vireo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 45
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 74

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/73rd PS with P-40B Warhawk (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

Training flight from 18th PG/73rd PS has been caught up in attack
Magazine explodes on BB Oklahoma



I'm in shock lol.......




Sardaukar -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 4:49:21 PM)

You really had some interesting die rolls there... [X(]




Shellshock -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 4:50:22 PM)

Ouch. [X(]

Flight Leader to Admiral Nagumo. Third strike not necessary. Party with sake instead.




HexHead -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 4:52:29 PM)

Oh, don't feel bad. I resurrected a PbeM game that Lokasenna and I are restarting from late Jan 42 and the original IJ player had gotten some really good bounces on his initial (ahistorical) attack.

Six BBs gone, sunk, off the board, bye-bye.

That hurts & puts a crimp in Surface capabilities for months and months.




Miller -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 4:53:59 PM)

49 hits from 67 torpedoes launched[X(]




Capt Hornblower -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 5:02:16 PM)

11 Zeros destroyed by flak? Seems like the AA gunners should have been looking to the bombers.

(This kind of result is why I prefer to start on Dec. 8.)




seille -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 5:07:32 PM)

The number of torpedo hits is really awesome. A dream for the jap player.




Chickenboy -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 7:08:00 PM)

Sorry, Miller. But as a JFB, I'm obliged to say:



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HexHead -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 7:12:35 PM)

Well, I'm not laughing in this revived PbeM against Lokasenna (IJ). Having six BBs gone from Day One really crimps. I have to be much more careful with CA/CL TFs, just one IJ BB with a CA or two can cream surface forces - in late Jan 42, I think I have maybe five BB/BCs available, total.

The OPs results are pretty crippling, if not almost worse than my results.




Christopher John -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 7:24:37 PM)

C-in-C Combined Fleet Yamamoto to Admiral Nagumo
"You left some USN BBs a float...be a nice chap and finish the job !!!"

Looks like those extra torpedoes practices paid off; nice strike ratio 49:67 [:D]

I am sure payback will come soon enough...




tocaff -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 9:16:28 PM)

It could always be worse, especially when almost everything was on target.




cohimbra -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 9:35:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Capt Hornblower

11 Zeros destroyed by flak? Seems like the AA gunners should have been looking to the bombers.

(This kind of result is why I prefer to start on Dec. 8.)


This is because the default setting of a pair of carrier Zero squadron is: Airfield
Attack, alt.100...they strafe very very low the field, so they can take heavy damage
from AA defense.




spence -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 10:03:48 PM)

Wow...

You only sank or damaged 2 and a half times as many ships as historically and lost damn near half as many planes.

I really feel for you. NOT




Miller -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 10:10:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

Wow...

You only sank or damaged 2 and a half times as many ships as historically and lost damn near half as many planes.

I really feel for you. NOT



Erm......I'm the Allies.




Lokasenna -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 10:35:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HexHead

Well, I'm not laughing in this revived PbeM against Lokasenna (IJ). Having six BBs gone from Day One really crimps. I have to be much more careful with CA/CL TFs, just one IJ BB with a CA or two can cream surface forces - in late Jan 42, I think I have maybe five BB/BCs available, total.

The OPs results are pretty crippling, if not almost worse than my results.


Good to know! [;)] From the sunk ships list, it didn't look like the initial strike was all that great.

For the OP: Only 2 BBs sunk outright, but those other 6...are you going to lose any of them to damage control rolls?

I'd say the 5 DDs you lost hurts even more than the 2 BBs. Any non-sunk BBs on day 1 is just a bonus, but the stock of DDs you have in December is absolutely precious if you want to send anything anywhere.

Think of it as a challenge!




HexHead -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/8/2013 10:53:52 PM)

I don't mind you knowing - I get some decent stuff the next few months, but I have to be careful about surface placements for quite a while.

Can never have enough destroyers, that's for sure.




crsutton -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 1:34:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HexHead

Well, I'm not laughing in this revived PbeM against Lokasenna (IJ). Having six BBs gone from Day One really crimps. I have to be much more careful with CA/CL TFs, just one IJ BB with a CA or two can cream surface forces - in late Jan 42, I think I have maybe five BB/BCs available, total.

The OPs results are pretty crippling, if not almost worse than my results.


Hang in there. Come mid 44 you will be wondering if you will ever lose another surface fight.




crsutton -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 1:36:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: HexHead

Well, I'm not laughing in this revived PbeM against Lokasenna (IJ). Having six BBs gone from Day One really crimps. I have to be much more careful with CA/CL TFs, just one IJ BB with a CA or two can cream surface forces - in late Jan 42, I think I have maybe five BB/BCs available, total.

The OPs results are pretty crippling, if not almost worse than my results.


Good to know! [;)] From the sunk ships list, it didn't look like the initial strike was all that great.

For the OP: Only 2 BBs sunk outright, but those other 6...are you going to lose any of them to damage control rolls?

I'd say the 5 DDs you lost hurts even more than the 2 BBs. Any non-sunk BBs on day 1 is just a bonus, but the stock of DDs you have in December is absolutely precious if you want to send anything anywhere.

Think of it as a challenge!



I suspect he will end up losing all eight of them.




Lokasenna -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 2:23:18 AM)

Idunno, depending on the rolls... Arizona is the only one with heavy fires/heavy damage. With Allied DC On, a couple of those might live. But won't see action for 2+ years.




dr.hal -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 2:27:19 AM)

I would still go after Manila!




JeffroK -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 4:18:59 AM)

As a complete opposite, in a Scen10 Ironman game the AI completly ignored Pearl Harbor!!

I now have so many BB that most have opened as sideshows on the US West Coast!




JocMeister -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/9/2013 9:27:19 AM)

Ouch! [X(]




Lokasenna -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/10/2013 5:58:51 PM)

Too bad this is on a new start against the AI. Stock scenario 2, historical first turn, surprise on:

quote:


Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 4 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 4 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 13 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 15 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 7 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 3 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 2 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 7 destroyed on ground
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CM Oglala
DD Conyngham, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Helena, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Allen, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Dewey, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Tautog, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AM Bobolink, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mugford, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PT-28, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Dolphin, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Narwhal, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AD Rigel, Torpedo hits 1
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Zane, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVP Avocet, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Litchfield, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1
AR Medusa, Torpedo hits 1
DM Sicard, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Shaw, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Alchiba, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DM Tracy, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Montgomery, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Jarvis, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Case, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Schley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 101

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb


69 out of 89 torpedo hits [&o].




HexHead -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/10/2013 8:37:06 PM)

Good roll - just not against a human...




RevRick -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/12/2013 2:47:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Miller

49 hits from 67 torpedoes launched[X(]


That's real good when I think they only had 40 of the special torpedoes anyway!




MineSweeper -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/13/2013 6:05:24 AM)

I would launch a second strike and destroy the rest of the ships in PH.....[:D]




Miller -> RE: The first ever PH attack I have been on the wrong end of in AE....... (6/13/2013 3:52:14 PM)

Well 4 went down so far, the rest should live but wont be out of the yards until 44.




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