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GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 5:56:07 AM)
December 25, 1944 Sosarbaja has fallen! The 2nd AUS corp, composed by the 6th and 33rd US IDs have broken the stiff defence of the 103rd jap ID. Now, with the support of the 4th USMC ID they are marching north. After 6 months of constant bombing we attacked Palembang.... An armoured ID, an infantry ID, several combat eng units, artillery etc....result? Not a single fort taken down and a 1-10 AV result....:-( The enemy sweeps continue....Sabang, bankoleng, Makassar, Ohstaven.... I can barely keep an 1-1 ratio against these costant attacks....depressing The DS is now free to move again. We'll get deeper into the enemy seas now. Next weeks should be interesting to watch

witpqs -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 2:16:09 PM)
Then how about forget opposing the sweeps? Put in lots of AA to oppose the bombers when (if) they come. Wherever the Eye of Mordor is turned, look someplace else. It look's like you are cracking the steel egg! Congratulations on the progress. OK, so Palembang will take a dog's age to conquer (if you bother at all!). If it can't be bombed, it can be blockaded. As you get bases closer he will not be able to protect shipping in the area.

obvert -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 3:52:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Then how about forget opposing the sweeps? Put in lots of AA to oppose the bombers when (if) they come. Wherever the Eye of Mordor is turned, look someplace else. [:D] I like the thought of just putting head down, at least up and down, and trusting the Allied AA. You do have to protect ships though, and that might be a problem if you weren't flying CAP. quote: It look's like you are cracking the steel egg! Congratulations on the progress. OK, so Palembang will take a dog's age to conquer (if you bother at all!). If it can't be bombed, it can be blockaded. As you get bases closer he will not be able to protect shipping in the area. My view is leave all of these fortresses as they are. How much AA is on the front lines? He can't air lift those back. Leave them there. How many good divisions are up there? Leave them. Go around. (Looks like you're doing just that, anyway).

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 4:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Then how about forget opposing the sweeps? Put in lots of AA to oppose the bombers when (if) they come. Wherever the Eye of Mordor is turned, look someplace else. It look's like you are cracking the steel egg! Congratulations on the progress. OK, so Palembang will take a dog's age to conquer (if you bother at all!). If it can't be bombed, it can be blockaded. As you get bases closer he will not be able to protect shipping in the area. [:D] Obvert is right. You need to defend your ships. The AA alone can't stop the enemy bombers. Even if you place lots of heavy AA, a fully crowded AF will be ruined if a swarm of Helens arrive...and the transports in the harbours get targeted by the enemy bombers too... no, you need to have CAP in the air unfortunately Look, for example, what happened just last turn (it's like that every day): Dec 27, 44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet. Estimated time to target is 49 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-83 x 80 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 6 Spitfire Vc Trop x 10 Spitfire VIII x 12 F4U-1D Corsair x 12 P-38L Lightning x 10 P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21 P-51D Mustang x 27 F4U-1D Corsair x 10 F6F-5 Hellcat x 55 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 37 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet 33 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet 8 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet CAP engaged: VF-34 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes VF-42 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes VF-8 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes VC(F)-21 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes VMF-121 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 39000 and 39300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes No.16 Sqn RNZAF with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes No.18 Sqn RNZAF with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes No.79 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41500 , scrambling fighters between 40000 and 41000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes No.85 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 37000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes No.54 Sqn RAF with Thunderbolt II (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes 18th FG/44th FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters to 36000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes 58th FG/69th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 42000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes 18th FG/70th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 41000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes 58th FG/311th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters between 40000 and 42000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 318th FG/333rd FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters to 41900. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes 475th FG/431st FS with P-38L Lightning (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 40000 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 475th FG/433rd FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters to 41000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet. Estimated time to target is 39 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-83 x 33 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 6 Spitfire Vc Trop x 10 Spitfire VIII x 12 F4U-1D Corsair x 9 P-38L Lightning x 10 P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21 P-51D Mustang x 27 F4U-1D Corsair x 10 F6F-5 Hellcat x 51 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Spitfire Vc Trop: 3 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 33 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet CAP engaged: VF-34 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 1 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 37000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 56 minutes VF-42 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes VF-8 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes VC(F)-21 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 37300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes VMF-121 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 39000 and 39300. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes No.16 Sqn RNZAF with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes No.18 Sqn RNZAF with F4U-1D Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes No.79 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41500 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 41500. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes No.85 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 37000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes No.54 Sqn RAF with Thunderbolt II (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 42000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes 18th FG/44th FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 37000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes 58th FG/69th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 42000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 18th FG/70th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes 58th FG/311th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters between 40000 and 42000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 318th FG/333rd FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters to 41900. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes 475th FG/431st FS with P-38L Lightning (3 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 40000 , scrambling fighters to 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 475th FG/433rd FS with P-51D Mustang (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters to 41000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Oosthaven , at 48,96 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 44,370 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft J7W1 Shinden x 43 Allied aircraft P-38L Lightning x 36 P-51D Mustang x 10 Japanese aircraft losses J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38L Lightning: 5 destroyed P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 13 x J7W1 Shinden sweeping at 39370 feet * CAP engaged: 23rd FG/76th FS with P-38L Lightning (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 12 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 40000 , scrambling fighters between 35000 and 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes 80th FG/89th FS with P-38L Lightning (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 40000 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 40000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes 311th FG/528th FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters between 37000 and 41000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes The butcher's bill of the day, with sweeps only in these two locations, is 40 to 6 in his favour...I'm rotating my units on CAP...but the results are always the same...no matter what I do (layered CAP, only high alt CAP, only a single plane model CAP....doesn't really matter) BTW, the Java campaign is proceeding fine in the south. The enemy is fleeing from Medioen, going north, where Batavia and the other Japanese bases still hold fine. The plan is to keep on pushing until we reach Batavia also from the south and to push the enemy back into a single base in the inner part of Java...so to create a huge pow camp for 200k men At the same time, my armies are already on the move for the next steps... Palembang cannot be conquered...absolutely impossible. Supplies never seem to finish there, despite it's been sieged and completely isolated (and bombed!) since July 1944!... i'll leave them there... it cannot be used as a port for the enemy so the oil present there cannot be moved anymore. It's a pain cause I had really hoped to use it but I gotta let it go. The 8th US Army is so diverted for other objectives...will leave the II US Corp there in order to keep it under control and some 2E bombers will keep the AF shut. The DS is on the move again. 4 CVTFs of 400 planes each, along with 4 SCTFs and several ASW TFs, are moving towards the South China Sea...CVE-TFs will cover the landings, while the CVs will move aggressively

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 4:27:47 PM)
Tomorrow (dec 28, 1944) could be an interesting day. A diversion...nothing more...a bait maybe... sort of... An American Corp will land at Marcus Island, supported by 4 Allied CVs and some 30 CVEs, along with several SCTFs. As far as I can tell we're unseen so far... Marcus should give us a very good observation spot (along with Wake, already ours) in the CENTPAC... I need to know where the KB is if I want to advance fast towards the PI... and that's the only way I've found to know that. If the KB is in the Pacific (as I think) it should come up and play... I'll lose for sure a confrontation... but i'll be then free to advance to Borneo without any fear....and, even if I lose, 1300 planes can still be nasty if I get a bit lucky with weather...

obvert -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 4:56:32 PM)
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JocMeister -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 5:21:18 PM)
Good luck! [:)]

kjnoel -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/5/2014 9:46:17 PM)
Interesting that, in general, most of your squadrons had 0 aircraft airborne. What are your CAP settings? Is it possible that you are actually getting swamped by your CAP arriving piecemeal throughout the engagement? Also, you might want to consider setting your fighters to training escort 100% range 0. They won't ever react to sweeps but they often react to bombing runs (some definitely will if you have enough squadrons); some might consider this a little gamey of course but with the huge gap in effectiveness between SWEEP over CAP and the fact that you are fighting advanced airframes so early opens the door for creative thinking imo.

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 5:55:12 AM)
Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! The Marcus island op went smooth. The shock attack, preceded by several bombins (both air and naval), scored a great 30-1 and easily conquered the base. Nor the KB nor other forces intervened into the action. In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on!

obvert -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 6:09:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! The Marcus island op went smooth. The shock attack, preceded by several bombins (both air and naval), scored a great 30-1 and easily conquered the base. Nor the KB nor other forces intervened into the action. In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(]

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 6:24:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! The Marcus island op went smooth. The shock attack, preceded by several bombins (both air and naval), scored a great 30-1 and easily conquered the base. Nor the KB nor other forces intervened into the action. In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(] Don't ask me...he must have done an astonishing work on the RnD program! The KI83 has entered service in mid 1944, the shinden in early november 44... Now the KI94 in december 1944.... Jets are just about to come i'm sure.... And the supplies!...i mean...in Java, despite the heavy fightings and constant bombings he has never gotten a (-) modifier.... And the forts? Everywhere up to 6 or higher.... Gosh....[&o]

Spidery -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 8:14:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! ... In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(] Don't ask me...he must have done an astonishing work on the RnD program! The KI83 has entered service in mid 1944, the shinden in early november 44... Now the KI94 in december 1944.... Jets are just about to come i'm sure.... And the supplies!...i mean...in Java, despite the heavy fightings and constant bombings he has never gotten a (-) modifier.... And the forts? Everywhere up to 6 or higher.... Gosh....[&o] About 5 factories allocated to each of the Shinden and Ki-94-II and about 8 factories allocated to the Ki-83, all starting in December 1941, with full engine bonus, will achieve those sort of results. I would be surprised to see jets appearing because of the difficulty getting the engine bonus for them alongside that needed for these models. I have a program for estimating R&D. Using those factory numbers it gives results as below (average date of arrival and earliest/latest from 20 runs). J7W1 Shinden : 1944-11-12 [1944-09-21, 1945-01-01] Ki-83 : 1944-08-29 [1944-07-02, 1944-10-11] Ki-94-II : 1944-12-23 [1944-10-28, 1945-02-10]

obvert -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 9:21:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! The Marcus island op went smooth. The shock attack, preceded by several bombins (both air and naval), scored a great 30-1 and easily conquered the base. Nor the KB nor other forces intervened into the action. In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(] Don't ask me...he must have done an astonishing work on the RnD program! The KI83 has entered service in mid 1944, the shinden in early november 44... Now the KI94 in december 1944.... Jets are just about to come i'm sure.... And the supplies!...i mean...in Java, despite the heavy fightings and constant bombings he has never gotten a (-) modifier.... And the forts? Everywhere up to 6 or higher.... Gosh....[&o] Which all makes me think it'll come toppling down soon. Once you get the SW Borneo coast though, you'll be albe to quickly move to the Indochinese or Chinese coastline, and that will effectively trap all of the forces on Malaya and in Thailand unless he moves them back in the next few months. It's dicey as the Japanese to keep big armies forward at this stage as I found out all too well! [:)]

ny59giants -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 12:02:56 PM)
If Japan is allowed to have PDU - ON and Realistic R&D - OFF, then this will become more and more the norm. One thing that has to be reconsidered IMO is the Allies start to have a number of 3x25 FS come in as one large 75 plane FG. The question will need to be how many and when they start to come in.

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 3:53:57 PM)
Jan 2, 1945 Despite the odds, the allies are advancing. Medioen fell on Dec 31 and now the II AUS Corp is pushing north the battered 103rd division and the several aux units... At the same time the amphib TFs are approaching Borneo coast. The CVs will now move forward (NE) in order to avoid Singapore's CAP and to put themselves between the landings and the possible advancing route of the KB (which may arrive from Manila). The CVEs will remain with the amphib TFs, along with 2 strong SCTFs and several ASW TFs Singawang will now be invested. Planned landings on Kuching and Groot Nanotea dot island, so to trap the 250,000 men at Singapore. Then Miri and Brunei... Pretty sure the KB will arrive.... Can't do much more than what I'm doing now... Tomorrow we'll also try to close the last strong AF the japs have at Java. 300 fighters will sweep, followed by 150 B29s... it's a 6 lvl AF...overcrowded with 90,000 men (out of 30,000 of the Stacking Limit)...the base forces must be very fatigued there so I guess that, once damaged, the 300 fighters based there should remain damaged... Then the opposition at Java should over... I'm kind of scared tough...we'll face the best of the best on CAP...KI-83s, Shindens and KI-94s....all with 30 and 20mm guns.....[X(][X(][X(][X(]

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 3:57:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! ... In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(] Don't ask me...he must have done an astonishing work on the RnD program! The KI83 has entered service in mid 1944, the shinden in early november 44... Now the KI94 in december 1944.... Jets are just about to come i'm sure.... And the supplies!...i mean...in Java, despite the heavy fightings and constant bombings he has never gotten a (-) modifier.... And the forts? Everywhere up to 6 or higher.... Gosh....[&o] About 5 factories allocated to each of the Shinden and Ki-94-II and about 8 factories allocated to the Ki-83, all starting in December 1941, with full engine bonus, will achieve those sort of results. I would be surprised to see jets appearing because of the difficulty getting the engine bonus for them alongside that needed for these models. I have a program for estimating R&D. Using those factory numbers it gives results as below (average date of arrival and earliest/latest from 20 runs). J7W1 Shinden : 1944-11-12 [1944-09-21, 1945-01-01] Ki-83 : 1944-08-29 [1944-07-02, 1944-10-11] Ki-94-II : 1944-12-23 [1944-10-28, 1945-02-10] Never thought it could be so easy to get there... The KI-94-II is really a top fighter.... 48,000 ceiling... 2x20mm+2x30mm frontal cannons... 440 mhp fast...14 mnvr at every alt... better than any version of the P47 or of the P-51...and Japan can produce thousands of them from 1/1/45 to 1/1/46....[X(][X(][X(]

Lokasenna -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 6:09:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Just a quick update.... It's 1/1/1945!!!! ... In the DEI, the allied fleet is approaching NW Borneo, while the japs started to sweep my bases with a brand new plane.... THE KI-94 is online!!!!! Sweeping at 442 mph and 48,000 feet is faster and higher than anything i have....[X(] In the air the allies are really outmatched.... Struggle on! How can he have ALL of these late war planes over a year early? [X(] Don't ask me...he must have done an astonishing work on the RnD program! The KI83 has entered service in mid 1944, the shinden in early november 44... Now the KI94 in december 1944.... Jets are just about to come i'm sure.... And the supplies!...i mean...in Java, despite the heavy fightings and constant bombings he has never gotten a (-) modifier.... And the forts? Everywhere up to 6 or higher.... Gosh....[&o] About 5 factories allocated to each of the Shinden and Ki-94-II and about 8 factories allocated to the Ki-83, all starting in December 1941, with full engine bonus, will achieve those sort of results. I would be surprised to see jets appearing because of the difficulty getting the engine bonus for them alongside that needed for these models. I have a program for estimating R&D. Using those factory numbers it gives results as below (average date of arrival and earliest/latest from 20 runs). J7W1 Shinden : 1944-11-12 [1944-09-21, 1945-01-01] Ki-83 : 1944-08-29 [1944-07-02, 1944-10-11] Ki-94-II : 1944-12-23 [1944-10-28, 1945-02-10] Never thought it could be so easy to get there... The KI-94-II is really a top fighter.... 48,000 ceiling... 2x20mm+2x30mm frontal cannons... 440 mhp fast...14 mnvr at every alt... better than any version of the P47 or of the P-51...and Japan can produce thousands of them from 1/1/45 to 1/1/46....[X(][X(][X(] Maybe it is easy, but there is an opportunity cost to this. If a Japan player set up their R&D factories as Spidery lays out here, that's a very large chunk of the R&D program as a whole - including engine R&D. In order to build the 500 engines in the pool to get the engine bonus as soon as possible, you also need to heavily research the engines...which takes away from earlier engine R&D (well, really just the Aichi Ha-60 here) and early game production (can really bite into Ha-35, Ha-32, or Ha-33: all of which you need in significant numbers, particularly the -35).

Wuffer -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/7/2014 6:48:05 PM)
GJ, could you manoeuvre him out? fuel = HI = supply/forts = fighters = fleet manoeuvring Everytime the KB set sails could shorten the war (if you avoid a big disaster, of course). Evasive manoeuvre, threat of landing manoeuvres, transportation, invasion, berthing, maybe even sacrify a few ships... not matter what, just let him react and burning his fuel. well, that's the idea :-)))

PaxMondo -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 1:13:21 AM)
Nic, Keep your composure. You know as well as I do that if the IJ has spent the supply to accelerate all those models AND has been building AC like crazy that he is desperately short of supply. As several other have suggested, you just need to apply pressure to where he isn't. His Achilles heel is Aviation Support. He can have all the AC in the world, but he has to concentrate his AS in only a couple of places. Find out where he doesn't have the support, and attack there. If he has loaded Singers ... great news! He must have ~500 AS there ... think how desperate he is going to be when he doesn't have access to them any more. [;)]

PaxMondo -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 1:19:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Never thought it could be so easy to get there... The KI-94-II is really a top fighter.... 48,000 ceiling... 2x20mm+2x30mm frontal cannons... 440 mhp fast...14 mnvr at every alt... better than any version of the P47 or of the P-51...and Japan can produce thousands of them from 1/1/45 to 1/1/46....[X(][X(][X(] I have never thought it good at all. It is grossly underarmed. Those weapons are front, not center like on the Ki-83. The 30mm has lousy accuracy, so it doesn't even count. So it has 2x20mm ... that is less than 4x50 cal. Not impressive at all. All of your fighters have at least 50% more armament than it does and 50% is a lot. Fast and high is all fine and dandy, but you have to be able to hurt something. Your TBolts should be able to survive the dive and make him pay IF you can amass enough and layer your CAP. You know all this ... you're too good a player to be getting scared .... keep cool. I think you are set to be in Tokyo before 9/45.

witpqs -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 1:31:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo Nic, Keep your composure. You know as well as I do that if the IJ has spent the supply to accelerate all those models AND has been building AC like crazy that he is desperately short of supply. As several other have suggested, you just need to apply pressure to where he isn't. His Achilles heel is Aviation Support. He can have all the AC in the world, but he has to concentrate his AS in only a couple of places. Find out where he doesn't have the support, and attack there. If he has loaded Singers ... great news! He must have ~500 AS there ... think how desperate he is going to be when he doesn't have access to them any more. [;)] Good point. Recall that the 250 air support cap has been removed!

PaxMondo -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 10:34:10 AM)
Yeah, lvl 9 AF gets 2x Air support, but still to field 1000 fighters, he needs ~500 AS to do that. And these are all SR3 or higher aircraft he is fielding against your SR1. You know what you have to do to keep those flying ... attack those tactics. The major failing when playing the allies is that most players want to play them historically and they lash out and cry 'foul' when they can't. [;)] The historical strategies and tactics only work when the game plays out historically. IE, the IJN suffers a catastrophic loss of CV early in the game AND the player decides to conserve HI/supply for the end game. When that doesn't happen (and have you ever seen that happen in a game?), to think that historical tactics and strategies will work is only playing right into the IJ strategy. Like any other well balanced game, and this is pretty well balanced (but NOT historical) in Scen 2, PDU ON, R&D OFF, you must react to the other players strategy. Otherwise you will lose ... that's kinda how games work, right? Think Nemo .... how would Nemo be attacking this problem right now? His solutions are the only ones that will work here, but you know he would play this out quite differently and with no regard to historical allied tactics. I'm not suggesting Nic's opponent hasn't played well, quite the opposite; he has played quite well. Kinda like the old Nic. [;)] Having said that, tactics and strategies that will work should become apparent. Nic is doing quite a few things right. I would just step back, look at what is working, what isn't, what I have that I am not using (which is a lot) and really just end this game. Read obvert's AAR ... your opponent has to be close to or in the same dire situation...

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 12:50:21 PM)
Yes Pax, i'm trying to do exactly that! And i'm not discouraged. Mr.Kane has played better than me in all the aspects of the game, so it was well deserved! He's much less aggressive than me with the IJN forces...he knows his job and knows what his troops can do...and fight just when he has overwhelming odds...and this strategy has worked great for him so far. Ok, Jan 4, 1944.... The allies landed a division (supported by artillery, tanks and engineers) and Singawalang (NW Borneo)... no surface resistance...just some 50/60 Graces at night that were easily repulsed by flak and NFs... The first attack went good, obtaining a 1-1 and reducing forts... Tomorrow that key base should be ours. The allied DS moved NE towards Groot Nanotea... but the IJN ships didn't come... At Java we've launched a 3-days air operation tryin to close the only AF left in Java... the resistance was stiff! More than 400 IJ fighters (Shindens, KI-94s, Tojos, Tonies and Oscars) were found there... the first day our sweeps suffered heavily...60 Corsairs lost, 15 P-47s and several P-38 and P-51s...for a total of 125 planes destroyed... but we managed to shoot down 50 enemy planes and, above all, to keep the B29s safe... The monsters arrived but failed to close the AF.... The following day, again heavy losses on both sides, but our Hellcats did pretty well and managed to obtain a great 1-1...clearing the way for the 4s...this time the B29s were supported by Liberators from Sosarbaja... and more damage was inflicted to the AF...still many many fighters were still operative... Tomorrow we'll keep on hitting, resting some squadrons and putting into the forge more rested ones... While the air war rages... on the ground our divisions keep on pushing North... the general idea now is to trap 8 japanese divisions in Java, 2 more at Palembang and some 500,000 men in Malaya... let's see if it works... mr.Kane has told me he still produces 28k supplies per day...[X(] [X(][X(][X(][X(][X(][X(] [image]local://upfiles/37890/969AF729FD584689AE82D5F7CA78BD57.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Bandoeng , at 50,100 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 45,300 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft J7W1 Shinden x 33 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18 Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 99 Ki-94-II x 7 Ki-100-II Tony x 22 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 18 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed CAP engaged: S-901 Hikotai with J7W1 Shinden (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 23 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 39370 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 39370. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes 19th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 31 on standby, 0 scrambling) 15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 36740. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes 50th Sentai with Ki-100-II Tony (0 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 36090 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 36090. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes 56th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 16090 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 36740. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes 59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 19 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 36740. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes 104th Sentai with Ki-94-II (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 44000 , scrambling fighters between 38000 and 43000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes 265th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 9 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 36750. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes Ground combat at Singkawang (56,88) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 15637 troops, 236 guns, 291 vehicles, Assault Value = 493 Defending force 15686 troops, 106 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 198 Allied adjusted assault: 198 Japanese adjusted defense: 79 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-) fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1742 casualties reported Squads: 13 destroyed, 121 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 12 disabled Guns lost 49 (30 destroyed, 19 disabled) Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 168 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Assaulting units: 40th Infantry Division 2nd USMC Tank Battalion XV Corps Engineer Battalion 30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 208th Field Regiment Defending units: 12th Ind.Infantry Brigade 156th JAAF AF Bn 78th Field AA Battalion 14th Base Force 19th RF Gun Battalion 157th JAAF AF Bn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Soerakarta (53,103) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 15971 troops, 324 guns, 282 vehicles, Assault Value = 736 Defending force 12865 troops, 125 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 239 Allied adjusted assault: 323 Japanese adjusted defense: 283 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 327 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 173 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled) Assaulting units: 6th Infantry Division 33rd Infantry Division 4th Armoured Brigade 50th Indian Para Bde /1 2/11th Field Regiment 7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion II Australian 181st Field Artillery Battalion 1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion 1st RAA Jungle Regiment Defending units: 103rd Division 37th Ind.Mixed Brigade

PaxMondo -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 1:46:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Yes Pax, i'm trying to do exactly that! And i'm not discouraged. Mr.Kane has played better than me in all the aspects of the game, so it was well deserved! He's much less aggressive than me with the IJN forces...he knows his job and knows what his troops can do...and fight just when he has overwhelming odds...and this strategy has worked great for him so far. Nic, you're playing well too, look where you are. You were sounding a bit down ... don't be, you're in pretty good shape. You don't quite have the initiative yet though. When you sort that out, I really beleive the IJ house will crumble. So far, he's been able to anticipate you well and get his forces aligned. Give him the ol' triple deke can catch him out of position .... [;)]

castor troy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 1:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Never thought it could be so easy to get there... The KI-94-II is really a top fighter.... 48,000 ceiling... 2x20mm+2x30mm frontal cannons... 440 mhp fast...14 mnvr at every alt... better than any version of the P47 or of the P-51...and Japan can produce thousands of them from 1/1/45 to 1/1/46....[X(][X(][X(] I have never thought it good at all. It is grossly underarmed. Those weapons are front, not center like on the Ki-83. The 30mm has lousy accuracy, so it doesn't even count. So it has 2x20mm ... that is less than 4x50 cal. Not impressive at all. All of your fighters have at least 50% more armament than it does and 50% is a lot. Fast and high is all fine and dandy, but you have to be able to hurt something. Your TBolts should be able to survive the dive and make him pay IF you can amass enough and layer your CAP. You know all this ... you're too good a player to be getting scared .... keep cool. I think you are set to be in Tokyo before 9/45. Pax, have you seen the Ki-94 already or is this suggestion coming from just looking at the stats? The armament works perfectly in the game, both against fighters and bombers. It's not like that 40mm cannon of the Tojo that got an accuracy of 2 which really makes it useless. I have played around with late war models to see what they can do and I can assure you, the only downside of the late war IJ aircraft is their crappy service value which all high end IJ aircraft got. Coupled with the abilitiy to pump out roughly 200/month of each high end model you need the IJ outperforms Allied fighters for sure if you completely leave out their service value. But then, most people won't ever see these aircraft as it needs insane R&D and then you still have to get to around 45 to see them AND you still have to have an industry then to build them. All together not the norm.

obvert -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 2:34:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy the general idea now is to trap 8 japanese divisions in Java, 2 more at Palembang and some 500,000 men in Malaya... let's see if it works... mr.Kane has told me he still produces 28k supplies per day...[X(] [X(][X(][X(][X(][X(][X(] Until there is no more fuel, and then it will be 13-14k. The trap will work.

JocMeister -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 2:35:10 PM)
Won�t he just be able to fly everything out?

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 4:53:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Yes Pax, i'm trying to do exactly that! And i'm not discouraged. Mr.Kane has played better than me in all the aspects of the game, so it was well deserved! He's much less aggressive than me with the IJN forces...he knows his job and knows what his troops can do...and fight just when he has overwhelming odds...and this strategy has worked great for him so far. Nic, you're playing well too, look where you are. You were sounding a bit down ... don't be, you're in pretty good shape. You don't quite have the initiative yet though. When you sort that out, I really beleive the IJ house will crumble. So far, he's been able to anticipate you well and get his forces aligned. Give him the ol' triple deke can catch him out of position .... [;)] My real point is that i've never been able to really find the "momentum". I think i've made some very good strategic choices but Always understimated my opponents and lost the "momentum".. When i landed unopposed at Timor and after few days at Sabang i caught him completely offguard...i should have advanced way faster..Just like Nemo... but then i failed to advance fast...i didn't have the "balls" to really risk and so i have moved very conservately...and that gave him time to re-organize and to estabilish many new lines of defence. I've lost the battle for Singapore, which could have really changed the war...and losing it i lost the chance to make all his defensive lines crumble BTW, now Japan should really be out of oil sources... Even Miri will be in danger now, just like Balikapan... We'll keep on advancing, hoping that all those units will sooner or later start to eat so many supplies that he won'�t be able to feed them all

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 4:59:27 PM)
Here you can see the situation... Singapore may be completely cut off the war now... Palembang is already isolated since august 1944... [image]local://upfiles/37890/B7F285B582FE49BF89967CA93D8BA7CB.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: India again??...why always me?!!? (3/8/2014 5:03:06 PM)
The conquest of Sosarbaja was very important. Now that is becoming my major base in the area. A huge port with a decent shipyard (33) will greatly help me to move fast my assets for the next steps [image]local://upfiles/37890/4B15EBA903DA42A68F023B354ACB7645.jpg[/image]

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