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astharoth -> UV vs WiTP (1/12/2003 2:01:57 PM)

well after seeing at witp screenshot and description i found that it was the game i was looking for.I thought UV had all this feature, after all, we are in 2003 and we have already seen game as huge as witp, thats why i thought UV was like that, now i fell ive lost 50$ buying the game cause i will buy it again with the extra feature i was looking for.

**** capitalism i hate you soooo much



Krec -> (1/12/2003 2:08:54 PM)

hey , dont get pissed , use the game as a learning tool for WITP. thats what i am doing. heck i never played a navy game (battleship doesnt count) in my life but thought id give it a chance . the game is a liitle more reading and rules then i like but its growing on me. by the time i figure it out WITP will be out and i can jump right in. so there is a saving grace here. dont get pissed , play some email games to get ready for the big one. 50 bucks is nothing for the amount of entertainment one gets out of a good game. and this is a good game. :)



astharoth -> (1/12/2003 2:27:49 PM)

yeah your right UV is good but i will still have to buy WITP if i wish
a game the way i was looking for, and i'm far from being rich,
i pay bills go to school to get a better job and work hard to try to have some money to buy games from time to time. Also i'm leaving in canada and here the games are way more expensive
WITP is 70$ U.S. meaning in canadien 105$ the highest price ive ever seen for a game pc and console add the sales taxes here
15% and my game cost me 121.5$ or so. I don't even know if
EB here will buy it cause of its high retail

i know there is already a thread on this and i know that there is a limited range of custumer for these games but im sure setting games at this price won't help them getting more people buying there product.

well atleast those games are good, just a bit disappointed that
i have to buy the same game twice, now i see how important
it is to get info about game you wish to purchase.
On the other hand, i purchased it right away cause it was the only copy of the game EB had.



bradfordkay -> (1/12/2003 2:28:05 PM)

I don't think at any time did Matrix misrepresent what we were receiving with Uncommon Valor. It sounds like you bought UV and then found out about WITP. By producing UV, 2by3 has gained a lot of experience with the game engine which should result in an even more polished WITP.

As Krec said, use Uncommon Valor as a learning tool for WITP. I'll bet that even after than one is released a lot of us will continue playing UV (in tandem with WTIP) because of it's focus on the one theatre.



astharoth -> (1/12/2003 2:30:58 PM)

brad i don't say matrix misrepresent UV, thats why i say "if i only knew" thats my mistake, if i knew that WITP was about to be released i would have kept my money and spend it on WITP instead



Admiral Scott -> (1/12/2003 4:27:56 PM)

What is the one feature you like in WITP, that UV doesnt have?



Knavey -> (1/12/2003 4:47:11 PM)

As,

WitP will not be released anytime soon. It is still some time away. You will get more that your money's worth out of UV and have plenty of time to save for WitP.



Pawlock -> (1/12/2003 10:44:09 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by astharoth
[B]brad i don't say matrix misrepresent UV, thats why i say "if i only knew" thats my mistake, if i knew that WITP was about to be released i would have kept my money and spend it on WITP instead [/B][/QUOTE]

Chances are, you wont be seeing WITP anytime soon, I guess at least late this year maybe nearer Christmas. So in the meantime you have something that is very similar to play around with although not quite on the same scale.

Another note might be worth considering, if you had initially bought WITP rather than UV , chances are you would have been overwhelmed by the immense scale and so get put off by it.



Howard Mitchell -> (1/12/2003 11:54:41 PM)

The best is the enemy of the good (Gresham's Law)

If you wait for WitP you will probably be waiting a year or so. Right now you have UV, a finely honed simulation of the most critical campaign in the Pacific theatre. Enjoy! You've got an excellent game for your money, well supported by its producers and with a lively and knowledgable community contributing here.



pasternakski -> (1/13/2003 12:42:42 AM)

It's time somebody pointed out that UV and WITP are NOT the same game. The fundamental engine is the same and the graphics are similar, but there are many differences.

First, the scope is different. UV is a sub-theater-size game with in-theater victory conditions. WITP will be a full treatment of the war in the Pacific, with all that entails, including production decisions, force allocation to subordinate theater commands, and so on. Second, the scale is different. UV hexes are 30 miles across, WITP hexes will be 60 miles across. This has a profound effect on many aspects of game play. The engine will have to be modified substantially to reflect this scale, and I suspect that the lingering complaints about naval air strike targeting many of us have will be automatically addressed at the same time - and likely a modified version of the "fix" will be retrofitted to UV in a patch. And so on.

UV has value all its own. It presents players with the opportunity to command the most vital sub-theater of the early Pacific conflict. This is where "the rubber met the road." WITP has an entirely different focus, with its own appeal separate from that of UV. This difference is depicted on the UV game box, by the way, where it says, "Uncommon Valor - Campaign for the South Pacific." There is no reason not to have known what UV was before buying it (note also on the back the text, "...from May 1942 to the end of 1943 ..." "Uncommon Valor covers the hard-fought campaigns for New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, and the Solomon Islands").

If you can't spend $120 to buy two games that have no peer in the hobby, you probably need to go find something else to do, because your interest in computer wargaming of this style and scope is not particularly high. UV and WITP are not designed for the casual gamer.

Oh. A word of advice to our Canadian friends who are paying such an exorbitant price. Hop in your car and take a jaunt across the border to one of our friendly shopping malls containing one of the stores where Matrix-2by3 games are sold. Even better, buy over the Internet from Matrix.



Nikademus -> (1/13/2003 12:43:48 AM)

Think of this way.

By purchasing UV, you support Matrix and 2by3

Support of Matrix/2by = greater assurance of the debut of WitP

Anyone remember the defunct Pacific Tide? It promised much of what WitP has, but did it ever come out?

Your $$ was not wasted, and you'll have fun in the process.
UV has also been critical in terms of suggesting improvements and refinements, many of which are being incorporated into WitP as a result making it an even better game than it would have been on debut. UV is after all the proto-engine that WitP will utilize.



Cap Mandrake -> Re: i'm kind of pissed by UV if i only knew :-( (1/13/2003 2:03:05 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by astharoth
[B]


**** capitalism i hate you soooo much [/B][/QUOTE]

astharoth...your anger is misplaced..if the sales tax is really FIFTEEN PER CENT in Canada :eek: , your real beef is with Socialism. With the exception of the Canadian sales tax, your money was well spent.



Zeta16 -> (1/13/2003 2:59:52 AM)

If you have a problem with the price and taxes do some thing about it. Leave or vote a new government into power. As we all know once you start socialism you can't stop it until it bankrupts your government.



astharoth -> (1/13/2003 3:54:48 AM)

thanks all for your reply even if i'am the only one to think that UV
was release maybe only to get cash to finish WITP or something like that, that why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at
some game like nhl hockey, year after year after year they release a game with few change and put such a high price at there game, what i say is that WITP use almost the same engine UV use they will add scenarion, map more logistic but
the core game will be the same so why its gonna be 70 US$

also what WITP have that UV doesn't is beggier scale more micro management, ship building and design(not sure but i hope)

i'm far from being a casual gamer btw i'm a real hardcore,
more complexe the is ,the better ill like it

as for socialist im very happy with this gov. i know if something bad happen to me gov. will help me for free and we such high taxes because to many people abuse of the goodwill of our governement.

I'll like to say that if the game is released in a year or so then yes
UV isn't a waste but the only post ive seen so far in witp forum was talking about april 2003 thats why i got pissed.

oh well have a good day everyone

P.S. about price and everything i'd like to say that if i was rich or leaving at my mom's home i wouldn't worry about it but thats not the case and i'm sure its the case of many people that could have bought the game but won't cause of the high price, now they
are relying only on fans but think about those in the game store
that will check the boxe see few detail about the game and a pretty nice sticker 69.99$ US and check another game that looks cool 39.99$ US i wonder what the big joe will choose



Reiryc -> (1/13/2003 4:18:25 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by astharoth
[B]brad i don't say matrix misrepresent UV, thats why i say "if i only knew" thats my mistake, if i knew that WITP was about to be released i would have kept my money and spend it on WITP instead [/B][/QUOTE]


Then maybe you should change the title of the thread to "I'm kind of pissed off at myself, I should have checked the features of UV before I bought it."

Your current title gives the impression that something was/is wrong with UV and/or matrix mis-representing it. I don't think that is fair to matrix.

Reiryc



Reiryc -> (1/13/2003 4:20:51 AM)

quote:

as for socialist im very happy with this gov. i know if something bad happen to me gov. will help me for free and we such high taxes because to many people abuse of the goodwill of our governement.


Well if you're paying taxes, then it isn't free.

quote:

why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at
some game like nhl hockey, year after year after year they release a game with few change and put such a high price at there game, what i say is that WITP use almost the same engine UV use they will add scenarion, map more logistic but
the core game will be the same so why its gonna be 70 US$


Then maybe you could play the socialist produced games? Oh wait....there isn't hardly any out there. :rolleyes:

Reiryc



MikeMark -> (1/13/2003 4:27:01 AM)

I have to agree with most who have responded, play the game and then when witp does come out you will be happy you had a year to learn what you are doing on a smaller scale.

Even if with comes out late this year, I plan to keep playing UV until the kinks and patches are worked out in the new game, and that might be another three or four months.

Personally I'm pretty new at this, and so far I'm a little ovewhelmed with what I have in front of me.

Frustrating try to get the TF's to go where you want them, and then figuring out why they don't.



pasternakski -> (1/13/2003 4:31:05 AM)

"...UV was release maybe only to get cash to finish WITP or something like that, that why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at some game like nhl hockey..."

No comment needed, methinks.



astharoth -> (1/13/2003 4:32:59 AM)

"Then maybe you could play the socialist produced games? Oh wait....there isn't hardly any out there."

and there your wrong, there are games produced here in canada and i have some



Reiryc -> (1/13/2003 4:46:21 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by astharoth
[B]"Then maybe you could play the socialist produced games? Oh wait....there isn't hardly any out there."

and there your wrong, there are games produced here in canada and i have some [/B][/QUOTE]

Then buy the equivalent of UV or WiTP then...



Nikademus -> (1/13/2003 4:50:43 AM)

I have to admit to being puzzled astharoth. You've clearly stated that it was "your mistake" so I dont interpret your thread as a dis against Matrix.....but i'm curious as to how you could have not realized that UV was devoted to the SoPac Theater. The information is rather clear on this fact.

I'm sorry you somewhat regret the purchase, but as i said before , dont interpret it as bad. Yes, Matrix did release UV for both cash-flow as well as to develop the engine which will power WitP.....how is that a bad thing?

The wargaming industry is always a fragile and small one and long had suffered a decline during the early-mid 90's. Now its making a comeback, and Matrix is a large part of this. But its no secret that for a company to thrive and survive it has to make $$$
Frankly i was amazed that Matrix survived so long supporting the free product Steel Panthers WAW which was worked feverently on as a labor of love simply to show the wargaming community that they were commited to it. Hence i gladly opened up my wallet to buy the mega-campaigns. UV is no different

UV acomplished both objectives.....Matrix makes dough....continues to exist.therefore WitP will continue to exist.

Players get a taste of WitP, not to mention one of the best wargames to come out in years in it's own right, and very importantly, get to make suggestions on making it even better.



astharoth -> (1/13/2003 5:07:48 AM)

Nika sometime i amaze even myself, i tried to edit the title but it doesn't seem to show up the new title, well to answer to your question i knew this was about pacific theater, in one of my post ive said that i though the game was like PTO2 pacific theater of operation a snes game set in the entire pacific where you could
design and build ship set objective and so on, i don't know much about the pacific war but i bought the game cause i like strategy game in general i own all kind of strategy from ww2 to civ to space empire to wall street trader, even sports sim where you have to manage a team from A to Z.The only problem is when i
saw UV i thought it was bigger, i love the game its very cool but
ill have to spend on Witp to have the game i really want to play.
As for UV financing Witp its the way it is now, i'll have to deal with it.

As for game here like UV there is one grognard game here in devloppement a modern geo-politcal game where you can choose to play any country, do diplomacy, create army, design units etc



Nikademus -> (1/13/2003 5:13:18 AM)

I dont think you can edit the title of a thread, only your posts. :)

Interesting. well, like i said, try to make the most of it. UV is a fun game, and it will help you litterally jump right into WitP when it comes out. Remember too that we are looking at close to a year's time before WitP will unveil assuming small delays. (I'm figuring December of 2003)

Long time to wait without something to cure your Pacific War "Fix"

;)



astharoth -> (1/13/2003 5:17:45 AM)

well for me the longer before witp comes out the better for 2 reason


1-saving money, i have 3 games i want eairly 2003 and won't have the money to buy Witp

2-i won't feel ive waste money on UV because when witp comes out UV is going to my closet.



Paul Vebber -> (1/13/2003 5:25:21 AM)

I edited the title - poster asked for the thread to be deleted - I will if he insists but think editing the title is sufficient?



Snigbert -> (1/13/2003 5:39:48 AM)

[B]Even if with comes out late this year, I plan to keep playing UV until the kinks and patches are worked out in the new game, and that might be another three or four months. -MikeMark[/B]

Keep in mind that because WitP is starting from a mostly bug free, stable engine, it will be released more as a finished product than UV, and most games are normally released these days. Not that WitP wont get the same support as UV, I'm sure. As someone who has been alpha testing WitP, it seems that all of the added features will require most of the testing as opposed to testing the basic systems of the game engine as we were doing with UV.
What I'm trying to get at (in an unclear manner, as I reread my post) is that I think WitP will be released as a nearly finished product at worst. And I dont think anyone who is really interested in this type of game will be disappointed with what they paid for the game.
Just my 2 cents.



Reiryc -> (1/13/2003 6:55:29 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Vebber
[B]I edited the title - poster asked for the thread to be deleted - I will if he insists but think editing the title is sufficient? [/B][/QUOTE]

Title appears the same to me... :confused:

Please do correct the title though if the poster doesn't mind. It casts an undeserved bad light on the game/matrix when it was just a mistake by the poster in what he wanted when he bought it.

Reiryc



astharoth -> (1/13/2003 6:57:18 AM)

yes edit it i tried and asked for it


my mistake sorry



Paul Vebber -> (1/13/2003 8:20:14 AM)

Edited the wrong thing - I think I got it now.



Zeta16 -> (1/13/2003 9:36:02 AM)

UV is such a better game than PTO2 . The thing with the Leaders picking objectives was a waste of time. UV is the best game I have ever played.



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