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wings7 -> Combat Mission: Market Garden (8/17/2013 7:19:19 PM)

This new title was just announced yesterday. This is one of the best (maybe thee best) turn-based, real-time strategy tactical battle simulator...check it out...Combat Mission: Market Garden
http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=324&Itemid=561

Patrick



Rtwfreak -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (8/18/2013 1:11:18 AM)

I'll wait for Panzer Command: West front game as you don't have to pay $35-$55 PER module for Matrixgames series. The ai in PC:O is better anyways.



Chickenboy -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (8/18/2013 1:19:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wings7

This new title was just announced yesterday. This is one of the best (maybe thee best) turn-based, real-time strategy tactical battle simulator...check it out...Combat Mission: Market Garden
http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=324&Itemid=561

Patrick


Loved the first two in the series. I'll check this one out too...



wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/22/2013 2:40:58 PM)

I'm kind of surprised I haven't heard much response to this fantastic and innovative game series [&:]. Granted it is pretty pricey but it truly one of the best and has a long history (in computer gaming that is) behind it.

Patrick



DSWargamer -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/22/2013 3:07:56 PM)

Combat Mission is part of a trio of assumed games. It is assumed any real wargamer has played Combat Mission, Steel Panthers and Close Combat.

I'd be interested in Combat Mission if Battlefront were interested in selling them. But their DRM policy is to my thinking, illustrative of a business not interested in make a lot of money.

Hey there has to be a reason why Slitherine Group has something like 200 games on sale here eh :)

I've checked out their Combat Mission Touch though.



Neilster -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/22/2013 3:12:30 PM)

The original Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord was brilliant. Barbarossa to Berlin was heaps of fun too but they never seemed to fix the foot movement. All your dudes were exhausted in no time. Afrika Korps was great and had more realistic foot movement.

The developers burned a lot of goodwill with Shock Force. When people didn't like the changes they were told they were wrong and stupid. Their attitude was on the nose and they appear to have forgotten the first rule of business because people voted with their wallets and didn't buy it, despite the patched improvements. They eventually included many of the things people wanted but they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to that point and by then a lot of people had already been turned off.

They feel that they "gave away the farm" with Beyond Overlord, as it modelled everything from Normandy to May 1945. That is understandable but how many people bought it precisely for that reason? I know it was one of the reasons I did. It also would have generated plenty of sales for the next two titles.

Now they've returned to Western Europe 1944 and the titles are excellent. Hopefully they've learnt a few lessons. Even if you have to pay for each instalment, consider the bang for buck you get in comparison to almost any other form of entertainment.

Cheers, Neilster



Ranger33 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/22/2013 5:16:42 PM)

Loved CMBB, the disc stayed in or near my PC for years and years. Love CM:Shock Force, it really hits a sweet spot in tactical gaming.

Not so crazy about the new WW2 games. I have everything except Gustav Line, but probably won't be getting Market Garden or anything else in the future. To me the games just require far too much micro-management. The game is crushed by it's own complexity. LOS is calculated down to the last inch, but the AI is too dumb to move that last inch over so it can engage a target; if you want a single platoon of infantry in a quick battle you must first select an entire battalion and delete everything else; on-map artillery will fire 100 rounds into a hill right in front of it instead of telling you that LOS is blocked, etc, etc



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/23/2013 11:17:44 PM)

I don't really care to do business with them.  But I understand why some do.  Good luck with your game though.



Boomer78 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/24/2013 12:12:16 AM)

I'll keep playing their games until their e-license DRM requires a blood sample. That far, no further! I draw the line at body fluids.



SapperAstro_MatrixForum -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (9/24/2013 1:58:35 PM)

I loved (still play actually) Beyond Overlord, Barbarossa to Berlin and Afrika Korps.

However, as soon as they started the new 'big daddy' drm system, I haven't touched another battlefront game. Already been burned by other games that use this system and the company dies, meanwhile, my disks from 1980's SSI games still work fine...install them, dosbox them, and suddenly I am storming across europe...

But for the record, if Battlefront ever decided to drop their system in exchange for the Matrix system, I would be there from day one.



FroBodine -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/7/2014 6:37:01 PM)

What is Battlefront's DRM system that everyone seems to despise? I am thinking of getting the whole CMBN bundle with everything including cheese and mayo.

But, I would like to know what I would be getting into first.




wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/7/2014 6:45:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jglazier

What is Battlefront's DRM system that everyone seems to despise? I am thinking of getting the whole CMBN bundle with everything including cheese and mayo.

But, I would like to know what I would be getting into first.




Jeff, Here is their web page with DRM info: http://www.battlefront.com/
You won't be disappointed with this great game!

Patrick



Alchenar -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/7/2014 7:27:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jglazier

What is Battlefront's DRM system that everyone seems to despise? I am thinking of getting the whole CMBN bundle with everything including cheese and mayo.

But, I would like to know what I would be getting into first.




I'd actually just hold on a little bit - just around the corner is the Eastern Front game, and just beyond that is Shock Force 2 (NATO vs Russia in the Ukraine).

Both of those things actually matter even if you don't want them, because after they release a game Battlefront do some work porting all the engine improvements they've made back into the older games and releasing them as low price upgrades. If the Western front is absolutely your thing and you want the best possible deal then you might want to hold off on the all-inclusive bundle until it has the 3.0 upgrade in it. That's what I'm doing.



Yogi the Great -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/7/2014 7:35:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Boomer78

I draw the line at body fluids.


Depending on the game and who you play with, you might want to rethink that. [sm=00000622.gif]



e_barkmann -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/7/2014 8:50:49 PM)

Brilliant, highly immersive tactical gaming system, worth every cent. The upcoming Red Thunder eastern front game is advertised as having a lot of new features - and the beauty of the system is they back port the new features to the older modules so your investment stays up to date (for a measly $10). (ah - as mentioned above by Alchenar)



E -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 1:21:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Boomer78

I'll keep playing their games until their e-license DRM requires a blood sample. That far, no further! I draw the line at body fluids.


That makes no sense. If you're still with them and their e-license, they already have your soul. What's a few fluids after that?



aaatoysandmore -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 5:04:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I don't really care to do business with them.  But I understand why some do.  Good luck with your game though.


Same here for me. With their DRM approach to things and the module sales it just makes the overall product cost too much. I could see maybe buying one module of my favorite theater but not all of them as that would get into a price range I just cannot stomach for any game series alone. Not even Civilization series did I fork out so much money. I waited a long time for the last 3 of the series before I bought into them. Once a series starts to become a series it's really just becomes extra money for the same game you bought years ago. Sure they have a few updates and content improvement but not 5 years worth like the orginal. Yet, they still want the same amout of money in most cases for it.



wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 11:59:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore


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ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I don't really care to do business with them.  But I understand why some do.  Good luck with your game though.


Same here for me. With their DRM approach to things and the module sales it just makes the overall product cost too much. I could see maybe buying one module of my favorite theater but not all of them as that would get into a price range I just cannot stomach for any game series alone. Not even Civilization series did I fork out so much money. I waited a long time for the last 3 of the series before I bought into them. Once a series starts to become a series it's really just becomes extra money for the same game you bought years ago. Sure they have a few updates and content improvement but not 5 years worth like the orginal. Yet, they still want the same amout of money in most cases for it.


To me it's all about great game play, yes cost is an issue for some but I narrow my game purchases to well crafted games. Reviews are essential for finding out about a game, a well made game or franchise generally costs more and I will always invest in those! [:)]

Patrick



bairdlander2 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 1:38:57 PM)

I think its well worth the cost,many user made scenario's,free to download.



Ranger33 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 4:26:50 PM)

To me it's worth the price just for the unique experience offered. The games never leave my hard-drive, partly because they are great, partly because of PITA experiences with the DRM and limited activations [;)]. Every gripe I have with the engine and requested features seem to be getting addressed over time. Some people don't like the idea of the paid engine updates, but I think it's a fantastic idea for giving longevity to older titles.

The thing I don't get is why the games seem to be developed separately using *almost* the same code, instead of just having a single line of engine development and plugging new content into it. Now they have a half-dozen different patches to make for every bug fix, balance tweak, etc instead of one. I would like to see something along the lines of DCS World.



Alchenar -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 4:51:19 PM)

They have actually made some noises about trying to unify their game/engine system, of course on Battlefront time that could be years away.

I'm also somewhat surprised by the price complaints. Sure if you buy ALL THE EXPANSIONS at once it gets pretty expensive, but the base game is priced less than a AAA mainstream title. Expansions are similarly priced but each one tends to get you a similar amount of content (a couple of new OOBs, a new Campaign or two, a couple of dozen scenarios) as the base game.




aaatoysandmore -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 5:06:47 PM)

Not everyone is interested in new OOB's or a new campaign (that one can build themselves I might add) or two and a couple of dozen scenarios. One game can do it all really if they would just give us everything in one game. This module based system is just a money grab, no if's and's or but's about it. You don't or didn't see Matrixgames do that with Panzer Command. In fact they even gave us Osfront for free if we own Panzer Command: Karkov beforehand. That's a real good bargain and price to me. So, I will continue to buy Matrixgames Panzer Command series over Battlefront's. No DRM either I might add.



Alchenar -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 5:16:21 PM)

... but you don't have to buy the modules if you don't want them?

I'm really struggling to see how it's an unfair money grab. They make a game. Sell it. Make expansions to that game. Sell those. The expansions materially add to the content of the base game in a non-trivial way.

It's odd to be writing this because I'm usually on the 'wargames should be cheaper' side of the argument, but you don't seem to be giving any reason for thinking you shouldn't have to pay for the modules beyond a sheer sense of entitlement.

e: in fact it's doubly weird because modular content is one of the best things to have happened to PC gaming as a result of digital distribution. It lets you produce content and work on your engine in the same time that's gotten Battlefront into a bit of a tangle with regards to their shop, but they're still putting out products at a rate that puts any Matrix affiliated developer to shame.



aaatoysandmore -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/8/2014 5:25:30 PM)

Depends on how one looks at it. I see it as a money grab because the original combat mission were sold in theaters and now they just broke it down into money grab modules. Same thing really. The ai is still piss pitiful as before. I can either go down the edges of the map or just sit and wait. There's no randomly made maps anymore, everything has to be player made or they make them. Not replays in TCP/IP and so many other things. Reduce the amount of content and sell for the same or more. Yeah that's the ticket. I just won't buy into it, you're more than welcome to.



wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 1:18:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ranger33

To me it's worth the price just for the unique experience offered. The games never leave my hard-drive, partly because they are great, partly because of PITA experiences with the DRM and limited activations [;)]. Every gripe I have with the engine and requested features seem to be getting addressed over time. Some people don't like the idea of the paid engine updates, but I think it's a fantastic idea for giving longevity to older titles.

The thing I don't get is why the games seem to be developed separately using *almost* the same code, instead of just having a single line of engine development and plugging new content into it. Now they have a half-dozen different patches to make for every bug fix, balance tweak, etc instead of one. I would like to see something along the lines of DCS World.


Joe, enjoyed your message...but for us acronym handicapped, what does "PITA" and "DCS" mean? [&:]

Patrick



z1812 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 2:09:37 PM)

For serious wargamers this is truly a wonderful game. I have all the Battlefront Combat Mission Series and modules and I don't regret a single purchase.

They are well worth the money.

Combat Mission is, in my view, is the finest tactical combat game available.



mikkey -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 2:12:26 PM)

Patrick, this is PITA[;)] and DCS is Digital Combat Simulator



wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 2:25:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mikkey

Patrick, this is PITA[;)] and DCS is Digital Combat Simulator


Thank you mikkey!

Patrick



bairdlander2 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 2:36:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Not everyone is interested in new OOB's or a new campaign (that one can build themselves I might add) or two and a couple of dozen scenarios. One game can do it all really if they would just give us everything in one game. This module based system is just a money grab, no if's and's or but's about it. You don't or didn't see Matrixgames do that with Panzer Command. In fact they even gave us Osfront for free if we own Panzer Command: Karkov beforehand. That's a real good bargain and price to me. So, I will continue to buy Matrixgames Panzer Command series over Battlefront's. No DRM either I might add.

Comparing PC to CBM is like apples and oranges,PC looks like crap compared to CBM



wings7 -> RE: Combat Mission: Market Garden (3/9/2014 3:00:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bairdlander


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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Not everyone is interested in new OOB's or a new campaign (that one can build themselves I might add) or two and a couple of dozen scenarios. One game can do it all really if they would just give us everything in one game. This module based system is just a money grab, no if's and's or but's about it. You don't or didn't see Matrixgames do that with Panzer Command. In fact they even gave us Osfront for free if we own Panzer Command: Karkov beforehand. That's a real good bargain and price to me. So, I will continue to buy Matrixgames Panzer Command series over Battlefront's. No DRM either I might add.

Comparing PC to CBM is like apples and oranges,PC looks like crap compared to CBM


Mike, I agree CBM looks fantastic but PC looks pretty good...and plays well too.

Patrick



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