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Flaviusx -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 5:52:29 PM)

Running back to Poland amounts to a declaration of strategic bankruptcy that will merely hand over the game to the Soviet, if he knows what he's doing. It just delays the inevitable. This idea that somehow you can recover after such a drastic runaway won't work. The Soviet, lacking any pressure at all on their replacement situation will blow up and need only wait until 1943 to build an offensive army and then grind their way to Berlin.

If you really feel you need to do this...resign. Start fresh.



dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:16:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Running back to Poland amounts to a declaration of strategic bankruptcy that will merely hand over the game to the Soviet, if he knows what he's doing. It just delays the inevitable. This idea that somehow you can recover after such a drastic runaway won't work. The Soviet, lacking any pressure at all on their replacement situation will blow up and need only wait until 1943 to build an offensive army and then grind their way to Berlin.

If you really feel you need to do this...resign. Start fresh.


I didn't say I was running back to Poland. Just sending empty airbases back while their planes are in national reserve.



dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:23:02 PM)

Turn16:agn: building second line up here., making sure units that can be attacked by 3 hexes have support units attached, preferable pioneers.Also making sure all HQ's have artillery/flak, since they piled up in some headquarters, and not others.

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:25:58 PM)

Turn16:agc:Guderian disobeys von Kluge and heads for the river! Probably pay for this crazy business, but hopefully it will draw him from the western side of the river.

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:33:26 PM)

Turn16:ags: Attacked some weak units with 1st Panzer, don't want to wander out too far here, with mud coming, plus 1st panzer is tired. Axis allies given shovels and ordered to dig positions from Z-town to the sea of Azov. Lot of Soviet cavalry around Stalino out on the open steppes. hmmm.

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:36:17 PM)

Turn17:agn:Some battles here to inflict casulaties on him where it looks easy or to gain a position. But mostly getting ready for winter.

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:39:26 PM)

Turn17:agc:Yep he isolated some of my panzers. I was able to limk up all of them. Pulled back. Poor guy at the end isn't going to make it out.Could have kept more panzers to maintain contact with him, but that would just get them cutoff also.

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/17/2013 10:42:27 PM)

Turn17:ags:1st Panzer played whack a mole with his cavarly near Stalino, I didn't keep track of his losses but hopefully it hurt (a little).

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Flaviusx -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 12:49:23 AM)

Somebody uptopic was urging you to run past the blizzard line, i.e., to Poland. Seriously, don't do this. Not against Ketza, who knows what he is about (playing either side, even) and would take every advantage of this. It's not the answer. You're definitely in a pickle, and I see no easy answer for you. In your shoes I would very frankly resign and try again. This is a lopsided match, and Ketza ought to know better than to play a rookie. He's probably one of the top 5-6 PBEMers in this game on either side, and should stick to the heavyweight division.






Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 2:20:21 AM)

Don't send your airbases to Germany. Instead use them to guard the most important rail line against partisans.

And watch those 70 miles of front line guarded by Romanians and Hungarians along the Dnepr. They won't be able to hold the line. If you don't watch it he is going to establish a bridgehead there before the blizzard and then keep on rolling south during the blizzard. He's just going to smash right through there and cut off all the troops to the east.

Good luck!



2ndACR -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 4:53:34 AM)

I will say, you were out classed with this fight from the get go, Ketza been around way too long. He has played the game way way longer than me only because I got fed up with the slant. I enjoy reading the AAR's and tossing advice at times, but I know I have been away too long and am not current to all the changes.

But yes, like Bozo said, watch those allies on the front, they will blow away with the first good hit. Only the Mtn boys have any prayer and even then, don't count on them to perform the same as the German Mtn troops. All your allies need to be in size 3 and above towns and cities. That is the only way they have a chance at survival and even then they will not hold for long.



821Bobo -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 8:25:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown
Don't send your airbases to Germany. Instead use them to guard the most important rail line against partisans.


this should not work, unless they are playing with some really old version



dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 11:56:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I will say, you were out classed with this fight from the get go, Ketza been around way too long. He has played the game way way longer than me only because I got fed up with the slant. I enjoy reading the AAR's and tossing advice at times, but I know I have been away too long and am not current to all the changes.

But yes, like Bozo said, watch those allies on the front, they will blow away with the first good hit. Only the Mtn boys have any prayer and even then, don't count on them to perform the same as the German Mtn troops. All your allies need to be in size 3 and above towns and cities. That is the only way they have a chance at survival and even then they will not hold for long.


I knew I was outclassed from the begining :) But that's how you get better! [&o]



dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 11:58:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown
Don't send your airbases to Germany. Instead use them to guard the most important rail line against partisans.


this should not work, unless they are playing with some really old version



Why won't using airbases for LOC garrisons work? BTW this game is using verision 1.07.08



821Bobo -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 1:18:31 PM)

V1.05.28 – September 29, 2011

• New Features and Rule Changes
6) Rule Change – Partisan attacks are now allowed in hexes adjacent to combat units).

and I am pretty sure it also applies to non-combat units



Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 1:40:00 PM)

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• New Features and Rule Changes
6) Rule Change – Partisan attacks are now allowed in hexes adjacent to combat units).


But if you have a continuous line of airbases on the rail line the partisans won't be able to destroy it. Just don't leave any gaps between the airbases. Am I wrong?



SigUp -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 1:45:40 PM)

I doubt you have enough airbases to guard the most important lines in a continuous fashion. Besides, by November / December the raillines should be repaired enough, so that a break in one central line won't cause any havoc.



Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 1:53:00 PM)

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BTW this game is using version 1.07.08


Uh, that's extra bad for you. You guys should have played with the new patch. It really works and makes the game more interesting. I'm playing a game as SHC right now and the Soviets get nothing but crap units. Combat is more important then ever now for SHC.



Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 1:59:24 PM)

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I doubt you have enough airbases to guard the most important lines in a continuous fashion. Besides, by November / December the raillines should be repaired enough, so that a break in one central line won't cause any havoc.


That might very well be but we don't know that. After the summer of 42 it's best to disband some of these airbases anyway to get the manpower/vehicles. So shipping them back to Germany is a complete waste. I'd still use them to guard rail lines. Especially the Romanian airbases. At least that way they have a purpose.

Are you also putting fighters in the National Reserve? That might be a mistake.



SigUp -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/18/2013 2:18:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown

quote:

I doubt you have enough airbases to guard the most important lines in a continuous fashion. Besides, by November / December the raillines should be repaired enough, so that a break in one central line won't cause any havoc.


That might very well be but we don't know that. After the summer of 42 it's best to disband some of these airbases anyway to get the manpower/vehicles. So shipping them back to Germany is a complete waste. I'd still use them to guard rail lines. Especially the Romanian airbases. At least that way they have a purpose.

Are you also putting fighters in the National Reserve? That might be a mistake.

Nope, I do send back the bombers for at least December, as they are useless in that month. But the fighters are kept in front. I keep around 9 airbases upfront to serve as fighter and transport bases.



dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:14:57 AM)

Well no posts for awhile, because superficially not much going on at the front until the Soviet half of turn25 when he started his offensive in the snow weather. Was surprised how well he did on that turn with out the benefit of the first winter blizzard rule. This game is really slanted too much to the Soviets. Ketza is good but game is still too slanted. Oh well.

From Turn17 to to turn25 most of my army has been static digging in, in with infantry refit mode all other units TOE set to 50%.

I was hoping some units would be able to reach fort level 4. I added some fortified zone units to my frontline units on the Luga. After several turns it was obvious they weren't do jack to raise the level above 3(10%) so I disbanded them before they became POW's. I guess a misread

"Requirement to build up to Fort Level 4 - Must have a fort unit in the hex. Once built, the fort unit is not needed to keep the level 4 fort. Not possible in swamp hex."

I decided to keep my airforce commited and not sent back to national reserve. During the mud turns I used transports and bombers to help keep units in supply especially units that can be attacked by 3 hexes. After he started his attacks I attacked some of his ground units with my airforces that where leading his forces, but in the extended combat gui I couldn't see if any of his units where disrupted.Not sure if the effort is worth it.

During the mud pause I split my panzer units up into regiments and put them in the second line as reserves and also to strat making a second fortified line.

I pretty much tried to keep the axis allies out of the frontlines except where the can only be attacked by 1 hex and then I stiil stacked them 3 high. Otherwise the allied units where in the second line digging.

1st Panzer army feel back to defend the river bend and the gap between the bend the Sea of Azov. This allowed 11th army to take over some of the river defenses from the axis allies.

The soviets had a 1 hex bridgehead south of Kiev but I took that out on turn25. I didn't want him to start attacking across the river till the ice level reachs 10. The new weather rules means it takes an extra turn to reach level 10.

I feel I have pretty well sealed of the Crimea, Was actually hoping he would attack down here. My only worry down here is the very end of my line near the sea of Azov, feels too weak to me.

Ensured units in the most exposed positions had 3 support units preferably pioneers. And HQ's of important sectors having good artillery and good leaders.

But his attacks seem to have easily sliced thru all of this. Which I don't think I really agree with. I think if the German had halted in early October and dug in and the Soviets would have had a rougher time.

Now some snapshots.




dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:16:15 AM)

Turn25:AGN1

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:16:48 AM)

Turn25:AGN2

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:17:22 AM)

Turn25:AGC1

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:17:51 AM)

Turn25:AGC2

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:18:20 AM)

Turn25:AGC3

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:18:55 AM)

Turn25:AGS1

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:19:44 AM)

Turn25:AGS2

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:20:06 AM)

Turn25:AGS3

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dak41 -> RE: dak41_vs_ketza (9/24/2013 2:21:18 AM)

Turn25:Ground Losses

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