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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

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ORIGINAL: Sieppo

Whatever happened, how on earth can you say somebody is bad or good depending on they were forced to attend in a war? It does absolutely make no sense at all, however tragic it is. This is one thing I continue to wonder in men. If I were forced to do war, it would in no way make me a saint, just unlucky. War is always poor mostly young people dying for older people deciding to continue their failed politics/financial goals.

Sometimes true, but in this case it was WW II and we were fighting to bring down global aggression, tyranny, and mass murder. Of course, Finland was on the other side..., so maybe you see it differently. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Nobody deserves to die like that.. I understand why the OP started this thread the way he did but I think it is irrelevant if the man was a veteran or not.. If he was a 26 year old Carpenter I would have been equally disgusted.

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ORIGINAL: Sieppo

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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

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ORIGINAL: Sieppo

Whatever happened, how on earth can you say somebody is bad or good depending on they were forced to attend in a war? It does absolutely make no sense at all, however tragic it is. This is one thing I continue to wonder in men. If I were forced to do war, it would in no way make me a saint, just unlucky. War is always poor mostly young people dying for older people deciding to continue their failed politics/financial goals.

Sometimes true, but in this case it was WW II and we were fighting to bring down global aggression, tyranny, and mass murder. Of course, Finland was on the other side..., so maybe you see it differently. [8|]

It's a good subject. It's REALLY REALLY hard for Finnish people to admit they were the allies of Germans.. Some even advocated a greater Finland to the Urals :D.. Of course they broke the alliance once it was obvious, the Nazis were going to lose - a valiant back stab. It's kind of a hush hush subject here and many people really think it just was a way to retaliate the winter war to the soviets and take back lost land - and maybe it was for many. Many did not want to go further than were the borders before the winter war. But it's still a good example of people wanting to believe they and their ancestors are always the "good ones".

EDIT: so Finland actually had TWO wars in WW2, a great defensive battle against the huge Soviet Union the "Winter War", that many think Finland won and Finland had all the western countries behind it and even helping it. AND then the second retaliatory one with Germany the "Continuation War", an attack to regain the lost lands or even more. Many are very proud of the Winter War and want to think the second one was the same.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Nobody deserves to die like that.. I understand why the OP started this thread the way he did but I think it is irrelevant if the man was a veteran or not.. If he was a 26 year old Carpenter I would have been equally disgusted.

warspite1

Of course its relevant - this is a wargaming site. No one is saying the hideousness of the crime is greater because the victim was a WWII vet.

But for goodness sake, the OP would probably not have posted the link if the poor victim had not had a military background.

I do not understand why such an innocent initial post went tits up so quickly.

So for the sake of the few that cannot seem to understand:

- It was a hideous crime against an elderly, vulnerable member of the community
- The crime was relevant to this forum, because the victim was a WWII vet
- And yes, the fact he fought, regardless of whether he was a volunteer, or drafted or whatever IS irrelevant. Delbert Belton fought and suffered injury fighting for his country, for our freedom. Yes for the avoidance of doubt - that makes him a hero.

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

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ORIGINAL: Sieppo

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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

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ORIGINAL: Sieppo

Whatever happened, how on earth can you say somebody is bad or good depending on they were forced to attend in a war? It does absolutely make no sense at all, however tragic it is. This is one thing I continue to wonder in men. If I were forced to do war, it would in no way make me a saint, just unlucky. War is always poor mostly young people dying for older people deciding to continue their failed politics/financial goals.

Sometimes true, but in this case it was WW II and we were fighting to bring down global aggression, tyranny, and mass murder. Of course, Finland was on the other side..., so maybe you see it differently. [8|]

It's a good subject. It's REALLY REALLY hard for Finnish people to admit they were the allies of Germans.. Some even advocated a greater Finland to the Urals :D.. Of course they broke the alliance once it was obvious, the Nazis were going to lose - a valiant back stab. It's kind of a hush hush subject here and many people really think it just was a way to retaliate the winter war to the soviets and take back lost land - and maybe it was for many. Many did not want to go further than were the borders before the winter war. But it's still a good example of people wanting to believe they and their ancestors are always the "good ones".

EDIT: so Finland actually had TWO wars in WW2, a great defensive battle against the huge Soviet Union the "Winter War", that many think Finland won and Finland had all the western countries behind it and even helping it. AND then the second retaliatory one with Germany the "Continuation War", an attack to regain the lost lands or even more. Many are very proud of the Winter War and want to think the second one was the same.

Jesus Christ stop that.
An old man was beaten to death ! Thats a tragedy.
He served his country during WW2 which is a BIG thing.
Be nice, people are just expressing their sadness over what happened and are a bit angry. Is that so hard to understand ?