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.Sirius -> Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 8:31:51 AM)

Hi just to keep things in one place, any DB requests, amendments etc for the time frame 1946-1979 could you please post here many thanks guys glad you like our Sim



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 10:39:24 AM)

Fix mistakes in databases before adding new platforms.
It hurts when knt.p.h is mixed with m.p.h.
A Sea Venom at 590knt
A Vautour II at 650knt.You missed the rocket packs in the Bomb bay with 232 68mm SNEB on the Vautour IIN
And many more the list is very long
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Sea_Venom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Barny

[image]local://upfiles/43318/AE7C64932DB848ECBCA0B99FFB2648E4.jpg[/image]



amatteucci -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 11:26:04 AM)

I'll repeat the suggestions I made in the other thread:

- Soviet R-7 ICBM family (SS-6 Sapwood)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_(missile)

- Italian cruiser Giuseppe Garibaldi (both as CL and as a converted CLG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 12:32:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: amatteucci

I'll repeat the suggestions I made in the other thread:

- Soviet R-7 ICBM family (SS-6 Sapwood)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_(missile)

- Italian cruiser Giuseppe Garibaldi (both as CL and as a converted CLG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)

Hi building Garibaldi at the moment R-7 is next on the list



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 12:37:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Barny

Fix mistakes in databases before adding new platforms.
It hurts when knt.p.h is mixed with m.p.h.
A Sea Venom at 590knt
A Vautour II at 650knt.You missed the rocket packs in the Bomb bay with 232 68mm SNEB on the Vautour IIN
And many more the list is very long
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Sea_Venom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Barny

thankyou for the comments as ever errors can creep into a database base with over 10000 platforms, as well as doing a full time job over the past 10 years, the database was built from scratch but thanks for the kind comments anyway



Primarchx -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 2:26:33 PM)

USAF F-4C 66-69 with Sidewinder AAW loads. Right now it's just Falcon.



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 2:28:38 PM)

.Sirius I donīt blame you for making mistakes - we all do !!!!
We all prefere a perfect database.
Is this the right place to do it, or shall we start a new thread
Barny



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 3:08:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Barny

.Sirius I donīt blame you for making mistakes - we all do !!!!
We all prefere a perfect database.
Is this the right place to do it, or shall we start a new thread
Barny

Hi Barny this is the correct thread just saying theres 1000's of plaforms and I'm not perfect unlike my wife!



e2204588 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 3:27:39 PM)

#178 - AM 136 Admirable Class
Missing most of its armaments.
It is not wooden hull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admirable-class_minesweeper


#1518 - PCE 842 Admirable Class
PCE-842 class and Admirable class are different.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/02842.htm


PGM-9 class motor gunboat, United States, 1944
PGM 101 Yin Chiang [PGM-9], Taiwan, 1946
http://www.ww2pcsa.org/patrol-gunboat-motor.html

LSM-1 class landing ship medium, United States, 1944
LSM 341 Mei Chen [LSM-1], Taiwan, 1946
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSM-1-class_landing_ship_medium


Type 53A Huangpu-class gunboat, China, 1954
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huangpu_class_gunboat

Type 55A Shantou-class gunboat, China, 1956 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shantou_class_gunboat

#536 AK Swatow Class, it is not Soviet’s ship but China (Shantou class).



e2204588 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 3:33:13 PM)

Question:
Many minesweepers doesn't have "MCM Equip" button available. Is it WAD?

Ex. Auk class, Admirable class, Adjutant class, Agile class, Acme class



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 3:43:42 PM)

Hi .Sirius
Ready for the NeXT
Sea Vixen both marks is missing retractable rocket packs : 2 Microcell unguided packs with 14 2in rockets
This instalation is a substitute for internal guns and like the packs on the Vautour IIN is Air to Air
The speed af mk 2 is 690mph = 600kts at sea level

[image]local://upfiles/43318/E6B83EA79B394F14BA8BC44458937664.jpg[/image]



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 8:30:18 PM)

Hi guys thanks for the inputs, I'm working through the list [;)]



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 8:56:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: amatteucci

I'll repeat the suggestions I made in the other thread:

- Soviet R-7 ICBM family (SS-6 Sapwood)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_(missile)

- Italian cruiser Giuseppe Garibaldi (both as CL and as a converted CLG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)

All built



Temple -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/13/2013 9:32:02 PM)

I've copied this minor issue over to this thread too since it's a Cold War Database issue (although maybe a DB3000 as well)

quote:


Database: CWDB (version unknown, but from Operation Trident, 1971)
Entry: #523 A 60 Dharini Class -- India (Navy)

Last entry on database shows Fuel Quantity as 24 tons, should be 1,000 tons
(reference Jane's Fighting Ships 1985-86, page 240)



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 6:45:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Temple

I've copied this minor issue over to this thread too since it's a Cold War Database issue (although maybe a DB3000 as well)

quote:


Database: CWDB (version unknown, but from Operation Trident, 1971)
Entry: #523 A 60 Dharini Class -- India (Navy)

Last entry on database shows Fuel Quantity as 24 tons, should be 1,000 tons
(reference Jane's Fighting Ships 1985-86, page 240)


fixed will be in the next build



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 6:56:25 AM)

Next
Attacker Mk 1/2 max speed 590mph = 513kts not 590kts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
Barny



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 7:37:02 AM)

Next
Canberra B2
Did not used external stores besides the wingtip tanks. This was a pure bomber
max 6 1000lbs bombs in bombays. No 3 in rockets
Max speed 570mph = 496 knts .I kan live with 500kts in the CWDB
Wingtip tanks was 244 Imp gal = 293 US not 250 US gal.
Source: W.Green The World's Fighting Planes p47
Profile Publications # 54
W.Green The World's Guide to Combat Planes 2
This includes export Canberras (AUS. VEN. and others). Late export aircraft might have wing hardpoints (ARG)1970 http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/65439/b-109-argentina-air-force-english-electric-canberra-b-62/
Australia bild 58 B Mk20 First 28 Close to standard MK2 last 20 with oprated Avons adding 8 knts to top speed (504Knts) CWDB 500kts ok - same with loadouts
Barny



Temple -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 7:20:47 PM)

I have an issue, but I don't know if it's a database issue or the way the game plays.

I am attacking a DDE with four S.4 Wyverns (I love those planes). The loadout is rockets and 1000lb bombs. I used the mission editor to create a mission for the Wyverns to attack the DDE. They do so, except they stay at an altitude of about 4400 meters. That seems very high.

So I changed the loadout to just 1000lbs. This time they attack from about 9000m. Again, way too high.

Is this the way it's supposed to be for the AI? When the side is controlled by the AI I mean?



ComDev -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 7:48:04 PM)

Yeah they fly at optimum altitude. We're working on a fix [8D]



Primarchx -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/14/2013 7:56:40 PM)

YF-12A!



Temple -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 6:10:57 AM)

P-47D aircraft with default loadout of 12.7mm MG will not fight in AAW, do not even show having an Air Weapon range, just Surface Weapon range. Just to make sure, I tried P-51D, they show Air Weapon and Surface Weapon circles, even when aimed with just default 12.7mm guns.

UPDATE: To be precise, the P-47D will attempt to dogfight, in other words they do try to chase the enemy aircraft. They just can't shoot them because they don't have a viable air to air weapon.

Corrected first entry to reflect that the P-47D does have the 12.7mm guns, not the 20mm cannon.

And this is probably why, the weapon doesn't show aircraft as a viable target.

[image]http://i.imgur.com/RrnJtcF.jpg[/image]



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 6:21:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Temple

P-47D aircraft with default loadout of 20mm cannons will not fight in AAW, do not even show having an Air Weapon range, just Surface Weapon range. Just to make sure, I tried P-51D, they show Air Weapon and Surface Weapon circles, even when aimed with just default 12.7mm guns.


Hi thanks will amend



Temple -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 6:28:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: .Sirius
Hi thanks will amend


I fixed my original post with the info that the problem lies with the P-47D's weapon, its valid targets do not include aircraft.



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 9:53:09 AM)

Next
Canberra B Mk6 uprated engines as B mk20 simeilar to B Mk2 no wing bombs or 3in rockets.
Max loadout 6 1000lbs bombs. Speed 504kts. Service RAF, Ecua.AF
Barny



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 11:33:45 AM)

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Canberra B(I)Mk6 and B(I)Mk8 and their export Mks were the the only Cannon armed Canberras.
A ventral pack contaning 4 20mm guns was mounted in the rear bomb bay. When this pack was installed
only 3 1000lbs bombs were housed in the front bay.The wings were fitted with pylons for 2 1000 lbs bombs or
2 Microcell pods with 37 2in.rockets. No 3in rockets. Max loadout with guns 5 1000lb bombs - without guns 8.
No BMK8 was build; with 8 bombs it still was a B(I)Mk8
Max Speed 504kts
Barny



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 12:15:02 PM)

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Hunter F1 and F2 United Kingdom RAF
None of these carried External fuel this was first done on the F4 (2 100Imp gal drop tanks)
Max speed Mk1 - 693 mph at sea level (603 Kts) and 617 mph at 36000 ft (537 Kts) Avon engines
Max Speed Mk2 - 698 mph at sea level (607 Kts) and 620 mph at 36000 ft (539 kts ) Sapphire engines
With a fuel tank of only 334 Imp gal compared to 414 Imp gal in the F4 range was a principal shortcoming.
Yours guess is as good as mine - just around 400 miles
No external stores clean aircraft
Barny
Ref: W Green The World's Fighting Planes
FGA Mk 9 Range on internal fulel is 489miles with same fuel as F6 392 Imp gal
http://www.rafjever.org/hunter6pic013.htm#fuel



.Sirius -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 12:43:04 PM)

Hi Barny thanks for the info, with loads of platforms its a tough job trying to get all platforms 100% correct all of the time



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/15/2013 1:23:01 PM)

Hi .Sirius
I know.
I have my books -1o meters or more if you piled them .Finding data is hard Work.
Keep your 100 0/0 error free wife from the CWDB.
Loadouts with Chanel no 5[:-][:-].
You are doing fine
Barny



Barny23 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/16/2013 11:11:46 AM)

Next
HunterF1 F2 F3 F4 F6 FGA9 and all export Mks: Engines-one not two
F1 one Avon 113 7500lb.st
F2 one Sapphire 101 8000lb st
F4 one Avon 113 7500lb.st or Avon 115 or Avon 121
F6 one Avon 203 10050lb st
FGA9 one Avon 207 10050lb st
Fuel burn pr/hr F6 FGA9:
http://www.rafjever.org/hunter6pic111.htm#clncrus
http://www.rafjever.org/hunter6pic107.htm

HunterF1 F2 F3 F4 F6 FGA9 climb performance
F1 F2 F4:Estimated 10000 ft/min
F6 FGA9: Inital Climb 17200 ft/min
Climb data:
http://www.rafjever.org/hunter6pic110.htm
http://www.rafjever.org/hunters.htm
Barny

F4:with limited fuel i don't think it ever caried external weapons only 2 drop tanks



e2204588 -> RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests (10/16/2013 2:51:51 PM)

AAA Bty (90mm M1A1 x 4) and AAA Bty (90mm M117 x 4) can not attack surface target.



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