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Mad Russian -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:44:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Waz

Great game. I've seen a lot of good ideas above and for my inaugural post I have a simple suggestion.

Please give us a Hold Fire order of some sort.

It makes me crazy to see a scout section open fire at 2 km and expose their position when often the smartest thing to do is lie low, watch, and report. The order could be cancelled if they are approached by an enemy, maybe a chance to fire as a function of their training level and the distance to the enemy.



Welcome to the insanity! [:D]

What posture do you have your scouts in when they open fire? I have the exact opposite occur. When I get in a situation where the recon should open fire on an enemy unit they back away.

Good Hunting.

MR



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:46:31 PM)

This is where an ambush order will come in handy..hold fire wouldn't work due to the length of the turns..but an ambush command where you can set the distance you want the unit to fire from would be cool. hough if your unit is shot at first the ambush command should be overruled.



Mad Russian -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:47:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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76mm..are covered arcs right for this scale? 500m hex and platoon size units? I'd like an ambush order though. However not sure covered arcs are necessary.


I think so. I was a tank platoon leader in Germany in the late eighties, and as a basic part of any defensive planning platoons were assigned sectors, which are basically the same as covered arcs.

An ambush order needs some mechanism to be implemented such as a trigger range, and a covered arc is basically just a graphical representation of a trigger range.

Or maybe I'm missing something, dunno...





Sounds good to me.

Good Hunting.

MR



Hexagon -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:48:35 PM)

Improve the tactical ops centre diary to see better info with a colour legend (red for combat, green for reinforcements etc etc)... and maybe add a serie of filters like in other wargames where you can filter messages by combat report, movement report, reinforcement report...

Something i think could improve how show info about units, now you have the readiness/ammo/morale levels in the actual turn, well why not add the previous levels??? i refer show something like

"75%/70% Ammo" to show a reduction of 5% in ammo, other way to show it could be add reduction/improve, something like "70%-5% ammo", a way to notice better how combat degrade the units value.

Oooo i notice now the damage units (well, in manual dont appear as damage) but i cant see them directry in the unit rooster... is possible create a diferent splash image to see what is a destroyed unit and what is a damage unit???



Mad Russian -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:50:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hexagon

Improve the tactical ops centre diary to see better info with a colour legend (red for combat, green for reinforcements etc etc)... and maybe add a serie of filters like in other wargames where you can filter messages by combat report, movement report, reinforcement report...

Something i think could improve how show info about units, now you have the readiness/ammo/morale levels in the actual turn, well why not add the previous levels??? i refer show something like

"75%/70% Ammo" to show a reduction of 5% in ammo, other way to show it could be add reduction/improve, something like "70%-5% ammo".



Why?

What value would it add to know what my ammo supply was 30 minutes ago? I personally only want to know what my units current status is.

Good Hunting.

MR



Hexagon -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:53:28 PM)

Because i want control the reduction in combat value and i cant remember the ammo levels readiness and morale levels in all units... if you see an unit that lose 25% in morale in 10-20 minutes you notice that something is wrong in this deadly square, is only mantein the levels from previous turn, nothing more.

Oooo something i dont remember say, when you finish the battle the save option is disabled, is possible activate it to leave us save the battle when is over??? thanks.



Ron -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 12:54:12 PM)

Lots of good ideas here which echo some of my thoughts after playing heavily the last few days. The UI is definitely old school with all the clicking looking for info, CRTL/Shift commands, no mousewheel etc., and needs a rational rethink imo, though likely not going to happen. At a minimum editable commands would be a godsend. As mentioned more functionality for the waypoints, in fact implementing some form of SOPs ala TacOps, ie stances, engagement ranges to name a couple, to work with the existing structure would be very welcome. It has been a very long time since I played TacOps but it got a lot of things right in that regard.

More importantly, more scenarios to play! :)



Monkie -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 2:35:14 PM)

1) Editable hot keys, so we can have one key press for LOS, etc
2) Winter maps with snow conditions
3) New combatant formations. US Reserve and National guard, East German, Hungarian etc etc.
4) New combatant's such as Japanese and USMC units for conventional fighting in Northern Japan (Hokkaido) vs Soviet.
5) reduce the time of the artillery visual effect and highlight the hex which is being fired upon.
6) Highlight units to show which HQ is commanding which unit.

thanks for considering and listening to all of our opinions.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 3:06:38 PM)

Small one this...

An Aftermath report at the end of the scenario..telling you how the War went after your battle and how your incompetence impacted the rest of the War..have a different one for each of the Victory\Defeat Levels..just abit of fun. I enjoy reading the aftermath reports in the scenario description as if the War happened..so this is a take on this but this time taking into account how well you did..



Hexagon -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 4:03:23 PM)

I dont know if somebody say this... why not add in the waypoints the ETA??? is a way to see when units arrive and do easier find what waypoint you need edit to coordinate better movements.



Waz -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 5:35:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wodin

This is where an ambush order will come in handy..hold fire wouldn't work due to the length of the turns..but an ambush command where you can set the distance you want the unit to fire from would be cool. hough if your unit is shot at first the ambush command should be overruled.


I don't recall. I know they were in a beautiful spot to watch the valley below for a long ways in good weather. Sure as hell, the enemy recon appears in the distance and *woosh* TOW's and 25mm fire from my scouts. Me = head beating on desktop! Shortly afterwards the scouts got creamed by marauding Mi-24's.




SteveD64 -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 5:48:06 PM)

Round (circular) counters for the Air Units/Heliocopters and their HQ's to make finding them easier.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 9:28:57 PM)

When we get the message Air search radar located at...can we then be shown the actual located unit? WOuld be greta if you could click the message and it took you o the hex\counter the message was about.
When we are told a HQ maybe at Loc""..Can we then be shown the hex by highlighting it, plus some sort of ?HQ counter.
At the end of a turn cycle can we be show a brief rundown on what happened..just the important stuff like Possible located HQ's, Radar location, Casualties and Kills? Also make sure the info has hyperlinks to take you o the particular unit or hex.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/24/2013 10:18:13 PM)

Contaminated Units to have a radiation symbol top right of counter.

As mentioned in my Strike First thread..I'd like to see Civilian casualty modeled through some sort of abstract coding i.e it goes up if you bombard towns or Cities and goes up higher depending on weapons used..once it gets to a certain point and beyond you start to loose VP's. Maybe for say Vietnam games this could then effect the War in general and the Campaign due to protests at home..something to think about and would add another layer to the game...obviously in this sort of War that wouldn't be an issue..but in other engagements i would be great if it was modeled somehow, like Vietnam.

Be able to manually set the pref stand off range.

Would also like to be told when a unit has defeated a missile by using a counter measure and what counter measure it was. Could be shown same way as the combat hints. Things like this show the player the detail and depth of the game. Plus adds to the narrative. Being old what weapon\s is being fired is something else I'd like to see aswell..and what weapon killed\took out a unit.

I haven't seen any vehicles pop smoke as a defensive measure..I'd have though if a unit with this ability had just taken a casualty or two it would pop smoke and back off? Would again like to be told " "pops smoke..in a combat hint. So we know it was your unit and not an Arty smoke bombardment. Also I'd have the smoke less obstructing than Arty Smoke rounds as Obviously it wouldn't be that hick and cover 500m.

Would like to see vehicles destroyed give off smoke aswell..I imagine all those tanks burning would end up creating a pretty thick smoky atmosphere?

Similar to the counter measure wish. Would like to know when a unit detects it's being tracked by a Laser if they know using the LWR same wih RWR..sgsin told hrough combat hints.

GSR and AGSR to be implemented;) see I read the manual;)



jubriqueno -> RE: The Wish List (10/25/2013 9:47:36 AM)

Maybe impossible, but would be cool to see on TOC the type of weapons who causes every unit loss/fallen out.....



MikeAP -> RE: The Wish List (10/25/2013 2:00:56 PM)

Double click on a HQ unit selects all subordinate units



benpark -> RE: The Wish List (10/25/2013 3:32:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MikeAP

Double click on a HQ unit selects all subordinate units


Or at least highlights them in some way. I use the OOB tab for the selection of subordinate units, but a graphic representation on map always helps.



nukkxx5058 -> RE: The Wish List (10/25/2013 6:58:22 PM)

Would be nice to have a detailed reports on man killed not only vehicles. Tanks personal, infantry, etc. Ideally, minimizing human losses should even be part of score system.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 2:57:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nukkxx

Would be nice to have a detailed reports on man killed not only vehicles. Tanks personal, infantry, etc. Ideally, minimizing human losses should even be part of score system.



Not during WW3 I feel.



nukkxx5058 -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 3:00:35 PM)

Well, minimizing human losses is the top priority in all modern conflicts. This is for obvious political reasons.



Mad Russian -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 3:26:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nukkxx

Well, minimizing human losses is the top priority in all modern conflicts. This is for obvious political reasons.



That's generally not true. What is generally true is that limiting civilian casualties is a top priority for one side in the conflict. The side where the fighting is actually taking place. In other words, it's a high priority for West German's and not a priority at all to the Soviets.

Good Hunting

MR



KenPortner -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 4:04:14 PM)

A LOS tool that allows you to click on one hex, click on the second hex and see a line between the two telling you the distance and whether the LOS is clear. I know you can see what can be seen from a hex by clicking on it, but it's a bit cumbersome the way it is.



nukkxx5058 -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 5:27:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian


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ORIGINAL: nukkxx

Well, minimizing human losses is the top priority in all modern conflicts. This is for obvious political reasons.



That's generally not true. What is generally true is that limiting civilian casualties is a top priority for one side in the conflict. The side where the fighting is actually taking place. In other words, it's a high priority for West German's and not a priority at all to the Soviets.

Good Hunting

MR


Yes but I was not talking about civilian losses but military personal. ie. Soldiers.

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Would be nice to have a detailed reports on man killed not only vehicles. Tanks personal, infantry, etc. Ideally, minimizing human losses should even be part of score system.




Hexagon -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 6:39:37 PM)

Maybe you can create an unit called "civilians" and use it in special units... i remember in a Tiller title the use of "straggles" units for Berezina scen. They could be like motorized infantry but with or less mobility or with a higher value to block an hex.

Is possible made action stop when an unit suffer casualties (or suffer a delay etc etc) and only continue if you click??? i refer to an option to stop action when something is noticed over the map and only continue when you left click, this permit use fast action for movements.

Other thing is made the autoscroll to action more soft, now it hurts when map jump so rough.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 10:21:34 PM)

nukxx..WW3 would have been a war where soldier casualties would always be expected to be extremely high..it's not a War where it would be a huge issue at home..now Civilian casualties of course is different. Also the fear of Soldier casualties is a relatively new thing..not something that was a concern during the eighties.



GloriousRuse -> RE: The Wish List (10/26/2013 11:20:20 PM)

Or even desert storm's planning phase...at least one battalion commander informed his battalion that 8/10 of them were expected to be ineffective by the end of the first 3 days of the planned attack. Which seems high, but apparently even the staff planners were laying in 15-20% casualty rates as likely. The "preserve the troops at all costs" phenomenon is a result of Western nations proving they could win near bloodless victories against inferior regular forces, increasing public expectations of troop preservation. This has been combined with the need to minimize the political impact of casualties over long low intensity conflicts.

However, for campaigns like WWIII, preserving combat power is important - individual human lives are much less so.



Werezak -> RE: The Wish List (10/27/2013 2:10:19 AM)

I would have to agree with the requests for mixed orders/programmable waypoints. I think of it as being able to queue orders to a unit, with possible delays in between.

This could become complicated enough that you may want to add another tab to the TOC for purpose of managing all of your units planned orders. Perhaps this would make coordinating unit actions easier.



nukkxx5058 -> RE: The Wish List (10/27/2013 7:12:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wodin

nukxx..WW3 would have been a war where soldier casualties would always be expected to be extremely high..it's not a War where it would be a huge issue at home..now Civilian casualties of course is different. Also the fear of Soldier casualties is a relatively new thing..not something that was a concern during the eighties.

You are talking about this WP v NATO conflict in Germany (what you call WW3) and maybe it would have been lethal for military personal. I don't know, nobody knows in fact ... Look at the Soviet Union vs Afghanistan conflict. It was not very lethal for Russians. 15.000 military deads vs. 1.000.000 civilians.

But the game can (and I hope will) also be used for other modern actual or hypothetical conflicts and the trend now is to limit military losses (they have drones and they even developing robots). Look at the war in Iraq: couple of thousand dead soldiers and hundreds of thousand dead civilians. This is the reality of modern conflicts. Not an hypothetical scenario.

So what I said is that it would be great if the game could reflect this (sad) reality.

Anyway so far we don't know how many dead soldiers we have and I think it would be great to have this statistic in the final score card. Same for civilians.



wodin -> RE: The Wish List (10/27/2013 1:44:40 PM)

Obviously in another theater this should be an issue..I mentioned it and civilian casualties further up. In this game though the public would be far more worried about a Nuclear attack than soldiers being killed.



Radagy -> RE: The Wish List (10/27/2013 3:10:37 PM)

While on the Reinforcements Tab, instead of reporting the arrival time related to the start of the scenario, I wish I could read the arrival time rtelated to the current time.
I mean, if a unit is arriving in 60 minutes i want to read T+60 and not T+158 or whatever...



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