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obvert -> RE: Fuel (11/9/2013 8:17:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: Mirri has part of its oil fields and refineries damaged. I'm repairing both! Miri and Brunei start 50% damaged. Is it worth fixing the refineries? In this mod they don't generate supply so all you are doing is saving 10% in tanker capacity by shipping fuel rather than oil - there is enough refinery capacity in Japan. It is quite difficult to get the 150,000 supply in you need to fix them and there may be better things you can do with that supply. At least for the start, I suggest fixing just the oil wells until you know you have enough supply there. I am playing DBB-C and am finding it difficult to get the supply in there to fix things. +1

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/9/2013 10:02:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: Mirri has part of its oil fields and refineries damaged. I'm repairing both! Miri and Brunei start 50% damaged. Is it worth fixing the refineries? In this mod they don't generate supply so all you are doing is saving 10% in tanker capacity by shipping fuel rather than oil - there is enough refinery capacity in Japan. It is quite difficult to get the 150,000 supply in you need to fix them and there may be better things you can do with that supply. At least for the start, I suggest fixing just the oil wells until you know you have enough supply there. I am playing DBB-C and am finding it difficult to get the supply in there to fix things. +1 I'm not planning to repair other refineries. The one at Mirri is just very convenient as it allows you to move fuel from Brunei (level 6 port) instead of oil from Mirri (very low port levels).

KenchiSulla -> RE: Fuel (11/9/2013 10:16:56 PM)
Be careful with the shock attack crossing river at Singapore Dennis. Don't make the mistake you made in our game..

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/9/2013 10:28:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder Be careful with the shock attack crossing river at Singapore Dennis. Don't make the mistake you made in our game.. Thanks! [;)] Not sure, but I guess I may have forgotten that there was a river at Singapore back than. My recon unit is already at Johore Bharu. It will wait for all other units which all are on strat mode. These will arive within two turns. All units will follow the Imperial Guards to the Singapore hex in one turn...

KenchiSulla -> RE: Fuel (11/9/2013 11:00:16 PM)
Yeah thats the way to go.. Good luck

steverodgers801 -> RE: Fuel (11/10/2013 4:33:38 AM)
As an observer since there is refinery capacity in Japan, I repaired the refinery at Palembang, but left the others as non repair. I figure why use the supply points and the repair teams can concentrate on the production. I am getting enough fuel, so it seems like a good approach. Amy others tried thi?

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/10/2013 10:12:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steverodgers80 As an observer since there is refinery capacity in Japan, I repaired the refinery at Palembang, but left the others as non repair. I figure why use the supply points and the repair teams can concentrate on the production. I am getting enough fuel, so it seems like a good approach. Amy others tried thi? In general I'm not going to repair any refinery as indeed there is sufficient in Japan. Also I'm not going to repair oil & refineries in Magwe, as it is too close to the frontline to be able to secure it. The only reason I chose to build up the refinery at Mirri is that it allows you to transport fuel out of Brunei. Loading times are so much faster and therefore I can get all the fuel out with less TKs. I don't want to be entirely dependent on a successful antisubmarine warfare, even though the strategy outline by Obvert seems to be quite successful. In terms of supplies I think I can get away with it, as Palembang and Djambi are almost undamaged. Therefore Mirri is the only place where repairs are taking place. If Tarakan or Balikpapan becomes a mess (amphibious TFs are underway, including an air flotilla with torpedo ordnance), I may shift my repair strategy somewhat.

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/10/2013 12:49:02 PM)
In the meantime I have solved my little problem with the Dutch bombers getting trough the Japanese cap too easily. [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Apparently, chosing the right altitude can be very critical. [sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif] [image]local://upfiles/26552/C753F364C9554BDB8234BD685913EEF1.jpg[/image]

PaxMondo -> RE: Fuel (11/10/2013 1:52:12 PM)
I rarely repair refineries ... I just can't justify the supply expense ... eventually, all of the oil will refine to fuel in the HI. Maybe if I took Palembang and the refineries were completely destroyed, I would think about it ... not sure.

dennishe -> Philippinian exodus (11/10/2013 3:52:04 PM)
Khyberbill is moving the Philippinian fleet out one ship at a time. The first convoys were intercepted by aircraft from my light carriers and submarines. Now they are being traced by search planes and intercepted by two small cruiser TFs. All easy kills. Very fun to watch. [image]local://upfiles/26552/BF8AABA665AD4CBBB0DE9C48E2D2919D.jpg[/image]

dennishe -> RE: Philippinian exodus (11/10/2013 6:06:45 PM)
It seems that Khyberbill is evacuating Java from Tjilitjap. A brave sir Robin strategy? Usually I don't like this so much, but with the strategy that I have chosen: "economize, economize & economize" in the early stage of the war, this might be just perfect... [image]local://upfiles/26552/3CFC73C2E7A64489A6776C4FDFFA1AD5.jpg[/image]

dennishe -> The fall of Hong Kong (11/10/2013 9:15:19 PM)
After several deliberate attacks spread out over a few weeks, HK finally fell in our hands [:D] Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 21973 troops, 305 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 439 Defending force 4382 troops, 104 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 11 Japanese adjusted assault: 204 Allied adjusted defense: 97 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 119 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Allied ground losses: 4780 casualties reported Squads: 72 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 360 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 154 (154 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 75 (75 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 4 Assaulting units: 19th Ind Engineer Regiment 1st Ind.Inf.Group 66th Infantry Regiment 38th Division 20th Ind Engineer Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 5th RF Gun Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion Defending units: Kowloon Brigade 102nd RN Base Force Rifles of Canada Battalion Hong Kong Fortress [image]local://upfiles/26552/1353A4B22D7D45CBA25FE461BAB7296F.jpg[/image]

CyrusSpitama -> RE: The fall of Hong Kong (11/11/2013 4:30:39 AM)
It seems HK was rather troublesome for you. I personally delay the HK assault and indeed the troop movements in by a few days. I like to properly organize the attacking forces and ensure best/shortest time to take HK. Best results include having the 23rd HQ(from Canton) present in the hex. My recent attempt it only took 2 days of deliberate followed by two good shock attacks and it was mine :) Enjoying your AAR and indeed the first AAR that I am following from the beginning.

dennishe -> RE: The fall of Hong Kong (11/11/2013 8:23:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CyrusSpitama It seems HK was rather troublesome for you. I personally delay the HK assault and indeed the troop movements in by a few days. I like to properly organize the attacking forces and ensure best/shortest time to take HK. Best results include having the 23rd HQ(from Canton) present in the hex. My recent attempt it only took 2 days of deliberate followed by two good shock attacks and it was mine :) Enjoying your AAR and indeed the first AAR that I am following from the beginning. Chinese troops were loiting around and therefore I kept quite some of the troops in the hex between Canton and HK. I could not risk the Chinese taking this hex and they trapping me at HK. That would have been a recipe for distaster. So the 38th was alone with the ART units for quite some time. Only at a later stage (around Christmas) it was reinforced with the China Expeditionary force units. The enemy AV dropped fast under 40 or so, but still they managed to resist for quite some time. Probably due to fatigue and lack of patience on my side...

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/12/2013 6:49:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder Be careful with the shock attack crossing river at Singapore Dennis. Don't make the mistake you made in our game.. Nailed it! Althought there is not much left at Singers.... Ground combat at Singapore (50,84) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 72315 troops, 741 guns, 480 vehicles, Assault Value = 2302 Defending force 31373 troops, 362 guns, 306 vehicles, Assault Value = 355 Japanese adjusted assault: 1048 Allied adjusted defense: 323 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 2305 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 181 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled) Allied ground losses: 4976 casualties reported Squads: 167 destroyed, 105 disabled Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 150 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 22 disabled Guns lost 69 (13 destroyed, 56 disabled) Vehicles lost 53 (27 destroyed, 26 disabled) Units destroyed 4 Assaulting units: 22nd Recon Regiment 14th Tank Regiment 42nd Infantry Regiment 113th Infantry Regiment 5th Recon Regiment 56th Infantry Regiment 5th Engineer Regiment 4th Division 4th Ind Engineer Regiment 56th Recon Regiment 114th Infantry Regiment 55th Infantry Regiment 11th Infantry Regiment 15th Ind Engineer Regiment Imperial Guards Division 23rd Ind Engineer Regiment 41st Infantry Regiment 21st Infantry Regiment 148th Infantry Regiment 6th Tank Regiment 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 31st Field AA Battalion 26th Fld AA Gun Co 35th Field AA Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 21st Fld AA Gun Co 5th Mortar Battalion 3rd Mortar Battalion 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 56th Field Artillery Regiment 5th Field Artillery Regiment 35th Fld AA Gun Co Defending units: 1st Hyderabad Battalion 3rd Cavalry Regiment 2nd Malay Battalion SSVF Brigade 2/17 Dogra Battalion 1st Malay Battalion 2nd Loyal Battalion 8th Indian Brigade 1st Mysore Battalion 22nd Indian Brigade 224 Group RAF 272/273rd Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment Malayan Air Wing 113th RAF Adv Base Force /1 2nd Gordons Bn /2 109th RAF Adv Base Force 24th NZ Pioneer Coy 11th Indian Division Singapore Fortress 111th RAF Adv Base Force /1 223 Group RAF 1st ISF Base Force /1 5th Field Regiment 109th RN Base Force 2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment 22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 27th Australian Bde /1 Singapore Base Force 1st Manchester Bn /3 1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment 110th RAF Adv Base Force AHQ Far East Malaya Army III Indian Corps 112th RAF Adv Base Force /1 3rd Heavy AA Regiment 22nd Australian Bde /1

FOW -> RE: Fuel (11/13/2013 12:47:27 PM)
Thats an impressive river crossing result - 4 units killed [&o] I notice the Aussie Bdes are only fragments. So where has he pulled them out to? - Palembang? Burma?

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/13/2013 9:40:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FOW Thats an impressive river crossing result - 4 units killed [&o] I notice the Aussie Bdes are only fragments. So where has he pulled them out to? - Palembang? Burma? Khyberbill has moved lots of AV out of Singapore, Tjilitjap and Sabang. Overall more than 1500 AV. I'm not sure where he is moving stuff. Palembang is already mine. Burma is an option. Otherwise the Port Moresby area. There are Allied transports spotted at Horn Island. In the meantime the Imperial Army has taken Singapore and Manila at January 11th. Ground combat at Singapore (50,84) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 71290 troops, 741 guns, 478 vehicles, Assault Value = 2190 Defending force 24515 troops, 337 guns, 257 vehicles, Assault Value = 88 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 515 Allied adjusted defense: 255 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Singapore !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1284 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 84 disabled Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Vehicles lost 30 (15 destroyed, 15 disabled) Allied ground losses: 27754 casualties reported Squads: 192 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 2194 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 78 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 384 (384 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 294 (294 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 35 Assaulting units: 14th Tank Regiment 41st Infantry Regiment 55th Infantry Regiment 15th Ind Engineer Regiment 22nd Recon Regiment 4th Ind Engineer Regiment 56th Infantry Regiment 23rd Ind Engineer Regiment Imperial Guards Division 21st Infantry Regiment 114th Infantry Regiment 4th Division 113th Infantry Regiment 5th Recon Regiment 148th Infantry Regiment 11th Infantry Regiment 5th Engineer Regiment 56th Recon Regiment 42nd Infantry Regiment 6th Tank Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 35th Field AA Battalion 26th Fld AA Gun Co 31st Field AA Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 56th Field Artillery Regiment 21st Fld AA Gun Co 3rd Mortar Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 5th Field Artillery Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 5th Mortar Battalion 35th Fld AA Gun Co Defending units: 1st Malay Battalion 1st Mysore Battalion 22nd Indian Brigade 24th NZ Pioneer Coy III Indian Corps 223 Group RAF 2nd Gordons Bn /2 Malayan Air Wing 109th RN Base Force /1 272/273rd Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment 1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 3rd Heavy AA Regiment Singapore Base Force 113th RAF Adv Base Force /1 1st Manchester Bn /3 AHQ Far East SSVF Brigade 111th RAF Adv Base Force /1 Malaya Army 2/17 Dogra Battalion 8th Indian Brigade 2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 27th Australian Bde /1 3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment 110th RAF Adv Base Force 22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 224 Group RAF 5th Field Regiment 1st ISF Base Force /1 109th RAF Adv Base Force 1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment 112th RAF Adv Base Force /1 Singapore Fortress 2nd Loyal Battalion 22nd Australian Bde /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Manila (79,77) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 36400 troops, 348 guns, 309 vehicles, Assault Value = 1098 Defending force 25568 troops, 319 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 243 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 1003 Allied adjusted defense: 251 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Manila !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1078 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 79 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Allied ground losses: 13117 casualties reported Squads: 169 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 571 destroyed, 41 disabled Engineers: 44 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 148 (142 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 36 (35 destroyed, 1 disabled) Units retreated 11 Assaulting units: 48th Recon Regiment 20th Infantry Regiment 48th Engineer Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 9th Infantry Regiment 47th Infantry Regiment 16th Recon Regiment Kimura Det 16th Engineer Regiment 21st Ind Engineer Regiment 65th Brigade 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment Tanaka 7th Tank Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 48th Field Artillery Regiment 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Army 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Construction Battalion Defending units: 51st PA Infantry Division 71st PA Infantry Division 41st PA Infantry Division 91st PA Infantry Division 1st PA Infantry Division USAFFE Asiatic Fleet 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment II Philippine Corps Nichols Field AAF Base Force Cavite USN Base Force

KenchiSulla -> RE: Fuel (11/14/2013 5:08:32 AM)
Giving up Singapore early is a mistake. You need to hang on to it for as long as you can.. Congratulations!

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/14/2013 7:07:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder Giving up Singapore early is a mistake. You need to hang on to it for as long as you can.. Congratulations! The 25th Army is mostly intact, reinforced with the 4th and 21st division and able to strike anywhere on the map in January or February 1942. Must be a very scary thought to the Allies. I was not expecting this and have to quickly rethink my strategy. For this I have a few turns as my transports and minesweepers were not (yet) in place. My objectives were more or less to take only the historical sites and defend (some of) these. Every other battle beyond the historical parameter would only be to harrass and stall the Allies. The invasion of Canton this turn is an example of this. With support of KB the IJN will raid for into the Pacific to close the route between the US and OZ. This eventually to prevent the Allies to attack the SRA from the Darwin area. This route is difficult and expensive to defend. For now the question is where to commit the 25th Army. I'm not sure where the 1500-2000 AV are, which Khyberbill evacuated from Malaya and the SRA. I recon he is at Colombo and the Calcutta area. Perhaps some near Port Moresby. Where ever I'm going to commit the 25th, I want to prevent a Japanese Stalingrad. If the Army gets bypassed by an Allied offensive in 43 or 44, I cannot evacuated with the little amount of Ships the Japanese get. Something to think about...

KenchiSulla -> RE: Fuel (11/14/2013 7:46:33 PM)
You could use it to take a location, you do not need to keep all the troops to garrison the places you take.

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/14/2013 7:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder You could use it to take a location, you do not need to keep all the troops to garrison the places you take. That is indeed what I will do. I meant that I will not try to take OZ, NZL or India or some other crazy location and end up in a battle on attrition from which there is no escape...

steverodgers801 -> RE: Fuel (11/15/2013 12:48:53 AM)
I do have a use for all those battalion , they can relieve larger units in India

CyrusSpitama -> RE: Fuel (11/15/2013 9:08:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dennishe In the meantime I have solved my little problem with the Dutch bombers getting trough the Japanese cap too easily. [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Apparently, chosing the right altitude can be very critical. [sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif][sm=innocent0009.gif] What varying lvls of CAP did you use? I just caught up on the AAR and am enjoying the progress so far. Might I request a view of the overall map? Banzai !

dennishe -> RE: Fuel (11/16/2013 1:48:32 PM)
This is the situation halfway Januari 1942. Little is happening at the moment. I'm waiting for minesweepers and amphibious TFs to move the units out of Singapore. In the meantime I'm also preparing an invasion of Kupang and Java, and I'm setting up the fuel convoy system. I'm not sure which units I placed at which altitudes (too long ago), but for sure one Zero squadron was at 10000 feet and two others at 15000 and 20000. The Allies were coming in around 10000 as well. [image]local://upfiles/26552/9A2E374CDA9A4005B518C2A67FBD7349.jpg[/image]

dennishe -> The battle for the Philippines (11/17/2013 2:27:18 PM)
Khyberbill found out that I only moved little troops to the Philippines and that except for the main force all other hexes were poorly defended. Remarkably he was able to move from one contended hex to another (Always thought that this was impossible???). Anyways I don't think this is bad for the empire. Although this may cost me some units, I can now take on units one at a time without them being dug in behind huge fortresses. I have quite ome AV still in Manilla, which is the only opportunity for the Allies to get some supplies. Moreover the 38th division will land at Iba if this will be necessary. Otherwise they will sail on to Java. A very interesting turn of events for sure... [image]local://upfiles/26552/E4CD06D20B0B45CB9E4492A6FD48A8D2.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: The battle for the Philippines (11/17/2013 2:53:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dennishe Khyberbill found out that I only moved little troops to the Philippines and that except for the main force all other hexes were poorly defended. Remarkably he was able to move from one contended hex to another (Always thought that this was impossible???). Anyways I don't think this is bad for the empire. Although this may cost me some units, I can now take on units one at a time without them being dug in behind huge fortresses. I have quite ome AV still in Manilla, which is the only opportunity for the Allies to get some supplies. Moreover the 38th division will land at Iba if this will be necessary. Otherwise they will sail on to Java. A very interesting turn of events for sure... [image]local://upfiles/26552/E4CD06D20B0B45CB9E4492A6FD48A8D2.jpg[/image] You can do that as long as you own that hex side within the hex you are leaving. But retreating to a hex that contains enemy AV is forbidden.

dennishe -> ASW warfare (11/17/2013 7:59:29 PM)
In my game with Khyberbill neither side managed to score a single ASW hit on a submarine. Something appears to be wrong. Is anybody else having this problem?

CyrusSpitama -> RE: ASW warfare (11/17/2013 8:31:13 PM)
As many of us have discovered, especially as Japan, early ASW consists mostly of detection with the very rare hit. If you are training adequate squadrons in key areas, you should start seeing some hits starting around o... say Feb' 42 ?

dennishe -> RE: ASW warfare (11/17/2013 8:32:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CyrusSpitama As many of us have discovered, especially as Japan, early ASW consists mostly of detection with the very rare hit. If you are training adequate squadrons in key areas, you should start seeing some hits starting around o... say Feb' 42 ? I'm not worried about the Japanese ASW not hitting anything. But Khyberbill also hasn't scored a single hit. Not even a dent in any of my subs...

witpqs -> RE: ASW warfare (11/18/2013 2:18:17 AM)
I'm in a Babes 28-C game started Dec 2011, game now just hitting Oct 1942. No such problems.

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