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Symon -> OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 4:44:42 PM)

Just got some new toys for the office. Op system is Windows 7. Doesn’t come with email anymore (wtfo??), so either have to sign up for Windows Essentials (that will be a cold day) or get an after-market client. Any Windows 7 people out there that can point me to a good email client for this beast? Thanks. JWE



Numdydar -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:03:15 PM)

I use Outlook [:)] but then I bought the office suite to do it [:(]

Other than webmail, that is all I use. Sorry.



lazydawg -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:28:44 PM)

I use Thunderbird (by the Mozilla guys). It doesn't have all the bells & whistles that Outlook has; however, it also is not a giant resource hog like Outlook.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/



crsutton -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:32:57 PM)

Windows live mail works fine. Easy to find and download, and you don't have to use the other items that come with it. Pretty good for those who have used the old Outlook system as it is easy to pick up and learn. Or, just make the jump to the cloud and go with Gmail. There are a lot of benefits to that if you use multiple devices such as a pad or smartphone.



Chris21wen -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:39:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Symon

Just got some new toys for the office. Op system is Windows 7. Doesn’t come with email anymore (wtfo??), so either have to sign up for Windows Essentials (that will be a cold day) or get an after-market client. Any Windows 7 people out there that can point me to a good email client for this beast? Thanks. JWE



When I retired I lost my copy of Outlook (came with the job). Panicked a bit then installed Windows live mail with no problems at all. Very similiar to Outlook.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:52:53 PM)

I still use Outlook 2003. 16 bit maybe? Works fine with 64 bit OS.

I am a dinosaur as well as a moose, yes.



witpqs -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:53:33 PM)

I use Thunderbird as a client, but I also log into the web interface on my email accounts (one is Gmail, the other is a pay service). I typically am reading and writing email in the web interface of Gmail (or writing in Thunderbird for the other service). Thunderbird runs with POP access, collecting email from the accounts whether I have read it or not in the web interface.

I believe Mozilla renewed its interest in Thunderbird a few months ago after all the NSA crap started coming out. Put GPG4Win (open source Windows implementation of GPG aka GnuPG) on your PC and load the Enigmail add-on. Thunderbird also has a calendar add-on called Lightning, the tasks functions on that are kinda weak so I don't use it much.



witpqs -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 5:54:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I still use Outlook 2003. 16 bit maybe? Works fine with 64 bit OS.

I am a dinosaur as well as a moose, yes.

I'm going to send you a papyrus day-book and a (real) lead pencil! [:D]



Lecivius -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 6:04:07 PM)

Every client I saw in my Ethical Hackers class has something that allows some sort of nastiness. You're far more versed than I in software, so I apologize if this comes off wrong. But I don't use any. I use public email servers. And even then I am careful.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 6:06:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I still use Outlook 2003. 16 bit maybe? Works fine with 64 bit OS.

I am a dinosaur as well as a moose, yes.

I'm going to send you a papyrus day-book and a (real) lead pencil! [:D]


Real men get wet (clay) with cuneiform! [;)]



Symon -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 6:12:01 PM)

@ncdawg. Beaudy the Wonder Dog went ballistic. "Hey, Dad, anybody who's got a Spaniel as an Avatar has got to be righteous, yeah?" Thunderbird is on my short list. Thanks.

@crsutton. Yes it does work. It's the present work-around. I just don't trust Microsoft and will not trust my communications (business or otherwise) to Bill Gates, the cloud, or the internet. I have a private VPN server. All I want is a simple, ordinary, everyday email client that works with Windows 7.

@Numdydar. Yeah, we got Outlook with our Office suite, too. Tried to fire it up under W-7 but no joy.

Need more responses like ncdawg's, please.

[ed] BTW, I'm a serious dinosaur, myself, Moose.



witpqs -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 8:13:11 PM)

If you want options beyond Thunderbird, another is called Evolution. It's basically an open source implementation like Outlook. It's for Linux, but there is a Windows distribution. I haven't used Evolution myself (just looked into it a while back when doing what you are doing now), so I can't give it a personal recommendation. It is highly regarded so far as I can tell.



CaptDave -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 8:14:16 PM)

Another vote here for Thunderbird; been using it for over 10 years. Can be a little daunting to set up the first time because documentation is well-hidden (it does exist!), but easy to use thereafter. Powerful features available, but can also be simple.



Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 8:25:03 PM)

I've used Evolution. I liked it OK, but I was using it in Linux and having issues making it sync with a Microsoft Exchange server. So I stopped. I did like the feel of the interface.

I've heard good things about Thunderbird.



Symon -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 8:46:00 PM)

Yeah, gosh, like always, we're gonna shift to Linux soon as we get out $hit together. Evolution sounds good witpqs. Will keep it in mind. In the meantime, T-bird is on top of our short list for W-7. Seems like people like it, so ...

Hey. Thank you all. JWE



catwhoorg -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 9:06:56 PM)

I still use Eudora.

I ought to upgrade to Thunderbird, but as I mainly used web based interfaces, there has never been a pressing need.



sanch -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 9:15:40 PM)

+1 for Thunderbird.

Been using it ever since MS took the contacts list out of Outlook Express and put it onto their servers. Works fine; functionally identical.



Reg -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 10:33:18 PM)


I just installed Thunderbird on my Wife's new PC yesterday. It complains loudly if you attempt to connect to your mail server on an unencrypted connection (which my Outlook express doesn't even offer as an option).

Once I set that up the Virus checker then started complaining that it couldn't eavesdrop and scan incoming e-mails (don't worry the T-bird docs tell you how to get around that!!).

All in all Thunderbird seems to be a good option for the security conscious.




wdolson -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/25/2013 10:42:04 PM)

I started using Thunderbird's ancient ancestor in 1995, Netscape Mail 1.0 Beta. I've been using it ever since. My current mail setup is descended from that first e-mail database, created when I first installed all those many years ago. I just found a joke sent 11/10/95 (just about everything else that old was deleted long ago).

The hardware has changed many times, so has the OS. I don't know how many times I've cloned it to a new hard drive. But it keeps going. 18 years now.

If there are some features you want with Thunderbird that aren't in the basic package, there is a huge base of add-ons out there you can tap. Mozilla maintains a database of ones that have been tested and shown to work well with others.

So I'd strongly recommend Thunderbird.

Bill



Chris21wen -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 7:24:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I still use Outlook 2003. 16 bit maybe? Works fine with 64 bit OS.

I am a dinosaur as well as a moose, yes.

...... (real) lead pencil! [:D]


You mean the very latest in data recording equipment.



wdolson -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 7:36:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I still use Outlook 2003. 16 bit maybe? Works fine with 64 bit OS.

I am a dinosaur as well as a moose, yes.


I still use Office 2000 and Windows XP. If it ain't broke...

Everything post Windows 3.1 is at least 32 bit.

Bill



Symon -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 6:07:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wdolson
I still use Office 2000 and Windows XP. If it ain't broke...

Everything post Windows 3.1 is at least 32 bit.

Bill

I know. Me too. I've been on XP since forever. But this was a hardware offer I could not refuse. And running AutoCAD at 2.8GHz, 64 bit, with 8G memory, is sooo sweet.

Got T-bird. Got it running. Looks good. At least it's letting me send and receive messages; that's good, yes?

Thanks all for your help and recommendations. JWE



witpqs -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 6:20:13 PM)

If you two guys are using Office 2000 then you are obviously not really tied to MS Office. When you do upgrade, instead of paying for any version of MS Office switch to Libre Office. It's the successor to Open Office, BTW. You're unlikely to find anything that you want to do that will be in MS Office but not in Libre Office. It's to the point where I just ignore the 'free' sub-sets of MS Office that come with a computer and go right with Libre Office.



Symon -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 9:07:42 PM)

Oh, Dude, I love Libre. My most favorite is Cuba Libre; half a lime, 2oz (or more) of Mt Gay or Pussers Rum, ice and a bit of coke. Woof !!

[ed] sorry, was being a bit obstreperous. Nice drink, though [;)]



JocMeister -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/26/2013 10:37:20 PM)

Why use a local client at all with so many web based clients like Gmail? I dumped outlook 4-5 years ago for gmail and I have never missed any features that I can remember! [:)]



witpqs -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/27/2013 12:02:45 AM)

[:D]



wdolson -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/27/2013 12:14:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

If you two guys are using Office 2000 then you are obviously not really tied to MS Office. When you do upgrade, instead of paying for any version of MS Office switch to Libre Office. It's the successor to Open Office, BTW. You're unlikely to find anything that you want to do that will be in MS Office but not in Libre Office. It's to the point where I just ignore the 'free' sub-sets of MS Office that come with a computer and go right with Libre Office.


Office 2000 has an advantage over every other package available, whether another version of Office, or some other package: the learning curve is zero. I'd rather invest my computer learning time into something else. I have to constantly learn new things about Windows in my day job.

I also use Access some and there are no programs I'm aware of that have replicated Access. As databases go it's pretty lame, but it works for simple database applications which is what I needed.

To each their own though.

Bill



Apollo11 -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/27/2013 5:21:05 PM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Symon

Just got some new toys for the office. Op system is Windows 7. Doesn’t come with email anymore (wtfo??), so either have to sign up for Windows Essentials (that will be a cold day) or get an after-market client. Any Windows 7 people out there that can point me to a good email client for this beast? Thanks. JWE


I use ThunderBird by Mozilla for years both at home and at work (all my users on my system at work use it as well - it is mandatory [;)])!


Leo "Apollo11"



Apollo11 -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/27/2013 5:24:26 PM)

Hi al,

quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

I started using Thunderbird's ancient ancestor in 1995, Netscape Mail 1.0 Beta. I've been using it ever since. My current mail setup is descended from that first e-mail database, created when I first installed all those many years ago. I just found a joke sent 11/10/95 (just about everything else that old was deleted long ago).

The hardware has changed many times, so has the OS. I don't know how many times I've cloned it to a new hard drive. But it keeps going. 18 years now.

If there are some features you want with Thunderbird that aren't in the basic package, there is a huge base of add-ons out there you can tap. Mozilla maintains a database of ones that have been tested and shown to work well with others.

So I'd strongly recommend Thunderbird.

Bill


Same here! [:)]

I used Netscape Mail both at home and at work for years (and all my users on my system as well) - when Mozilla ThunderBird was introduced and I found it working satisfactory I switched to it (and I switched all my users as well)...


Leo "Apollo11"



Symon -> RE: OT: Software Question (10/27/2013 5:34:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Hi all,
I use ThunderBird by Mozilla for years both at home and at work (all my users on my system at work use it as well - it is mandatory [;)])!

Leo "Apollo11"

Hi Leo. I got Thunderbird. Good install. Working well. Recomended by lots of people, but your recommendation (for your work) just puts the raisins on the pudding.

Thanks Leo. Ciao. John



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