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Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/19/2014 11:04:26 AM)
July Industry Would be content with this if it wasn't for the Java lodgement that is likely to lead to a rapid loss of oil production. Saving 2,000 fuel and 6,000 supply per day. Oil: -81,450 Fuel: +60,027 Supply: +195,730 HI: +76,566 Vehicles: +4,081 Arms: +22,642 [image]local://upfiles/43194/65DC030787B4472DBE39F2C8BEB6C87F.jpg[/image]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/19/2014 11:06:08 AM)
August 1st 1943 A lot of Escorts are being refitted with 6 x Type 2 DC and an A/S Mortar, hope this will help a bit. Some are getting radar fitted as are some sub-chasers. Off the North-West Cape, I-22 attacks CM Terror twice and puts a total of 5 torpedoes into her, she sinks[:D] I-22 is damaged to the tune of 27/37/0 and will need some repairs. An Escort puts a good Type 2 DC hit (Internal Explosion) on SS Hake off the home isles. Probably, not enough to sink her. Something Allied sinks during the turn but looks like only 1 VP worth. Allies are bombing Buka heavily even though it is out of supply, I think this is just for training purposes. SS RO-109 arrives. Ki-48-IIc becomes available, slightly better guns but not yet convinced of the value of the Army DB anyway. E15K1 becomes available, much better range over the E13A1 and much better survivability but SR 3. Will try rolling this out.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/19/2014 11:54:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery An Escort puts a good Type 2 DC hit (Internal Explosion) on SS Hake off the home isles. Probably, not enough to sink her. I have been told that 2 Type 2 DC might sink a sub, but that it really takes 3. I think a sub I nailed with 2 good hits was sunk on the surface several days later. Hard to know for sure with fog of war.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/19/2014 6:00:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery An Escort puts a good Type 2 DC hit (Internal Explosion) on SS Hake off the home isles. Probably, not enough to sink her. I have been told that 2 Type 2 DC might sink a sub, but that it really takes 3. I think a sub I nailed with 2 good hits was sunk on the surface several days later. Hard to know for sure with fog of war. My reading is 2 with a bonus damage is a 50/50 proposition. 4 normal are needed for a reasonable chance of success and I have never got that. Hoping that I can do better now some of my escorts have radar. I think I had one case of 2 + a few near misses forcing to surface.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 10:09:00 AM)
August 2nd 1943 CA Suzuya takes 2 torpedoes as she tries to move to somewhere safer than Soerabaja. At 61/86/66/2 and 2 hexes to reach Makassar is not looking good. Various Allied subs are damaged but nothing serious. Allies try a small sweep at Merak by Hellcats and leaking CAP from Batavia does well against them. Allied attack at Bandoeng collapses: quote: Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 27952 troops, 484 guns, 466 vehicles, Assault Value = 1079 Defending force 33319 troops, 280 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 1003 Allied adjusted assault: 181 Japanese adjusted defense: 1954 Allied assault odds: 1 to 10 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 541 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 24 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Allied ground losses: 4332 casualties reported Squads: 94 destroyed, 381 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 74 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled Guns lost 78 (10 destroyed, 68 disabled) Vehicles lost 95 (29 destroyed, 66 disabled) Assaulting units: 24th Infantry Division 766th Tank Battalion 7th Infantry Division 193rd Tank Battalion 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 767th Tank Battalion 226th Field Artillery Battalion Sixth US Army 249th Field Artillery Battalion 183rd Field Artillery Battalion 181st Field Artillery Battalion 208th Coast AA Regiment Defending units: 110th Division I./143rd Infantry Battalion 41st Infantry Regiment 52nd Division 4th Ind.Mixed Regiment 79th Garrison Battalion 56th Const Co 22nd Ind.AA Gun Co 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 26th Fld AA Gun Co Enemy troops are heading out from Tjilatjap in all directions. Chungking airfield expands to 9, useful few VP. Ki-46-III KAI Dinah to 8/44

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 10:41:07 AM)
August 3rd 1943 Massive naval raid at Tjilatjap goes horribly wrong as forces arrive all in the wrong order with the cruiser forces arriving last. No forces manage to bombard. Losses: Yamato, Mutsu, 3 CA, 3 CL, 11 DD, 4 E, 2 PB Kongo and another DD are doomed and will be scuttled. Confirmed sinking: Mississippi, California, Dorsetshire, 3 Mahan class DD, 2 PT boats VP loss suggests may have also sunk another BB, either Arizona or Massachusetts. 7 Kingfisher and 1 Walrus lost on the ground I think confirms this. Try some ground bombing of the troops at Benkoelen but no hits scored from 10000 feet and lose 2 Helens to flak. Sweeps over Tjilatjap, the N1K1-J do okay but the Ki-84a are not performing. A lot of the Allied fighters are older models, P-39D, F4F-4. Strategic Assessment There is no chance of controlling the air over Java, I can't fight the Thunderbolts. That means there is no chance of pushing the Allies back. I have enough troops on Java to hold for a while so my main concerns now are a second attack. Possibilities: 1: Landing at Loemadjang to force a way around the East of Java and then a jump over to Indo-China 2: Push through the middle of the South DEI, Makaram etc. 3: Landing on Sumatra or Malaya 4: Advance from Kavieng towards the Southern PI 5: Attack at Mariannas, Kuriles or Hokkaido The fuel/oil situation is that I will gradually lose production to night raids. I'll have lost Java, Balikpapan/Samarinda and Palembang by the end of November. I may lose Magwe and Medan soon after that. Plan now then is to send no more troops to Java and evacuate back towards the PI. I also think it is time to start evacuating Burma. All my damaged ships are heading back to the Home Isles where they will remain in dock conserving fuel. By fuel and supply economies I hope to be able to keep going into spring 1945.

PaxMondo -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 12:28:54 PM)
I know if Nemo were here, he would attack ...

Encircled -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 4:05:02 PM)
Washington

Miller -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 6:01:02 PM)
Forget the Frank and build the Oscar IV and Tony 100. Slightly poorer performance than the Frank but have centerline 20MM guns and more critically a SR of 1. Once a Frank is damaged it will die on the ground.

setloz -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 8:19:17 PM)
How far are you from night fighter production? You should be just about ready with J1N1-S Irving iirc.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 9:10:06 PM)
August 4th 1943 Allied carriers move up close to attack my retreating forces. Fighters from Tjilatjap launch telling sweeps over Batavia while refusing to fly over Tjilatjap. The air strikes put significant more damage on the Haruna, damage the Oi, sink an AK and 5 smaller xAK. Nothing too serious. A sub claims an APD near Balikpapan, fortunately empty.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 9:21:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: setloz How far are you from night fighter production? You should be just about ready with J1N1-S Irving iirc. Start at the beginning of next month but unless I am missing something there is only 1 group on the map that can upgrade to use it, Yokosuka Ku T-2, 20 planes. Followed by 321 Ku S-1 (18 planes) as a reinforcement mid October. 251 Ku S-1 I may be able to upgrade at a PP cost, not sure how that works, it is planned to change to NF with the J1N1-Sa.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 9:27:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Forget the Frank and build the Oscar IV and Tony 100. Slightly poorer performance than the Frank but have centerline 20MM guns and more critically a SR of 1. Once a Frank is damaged it will die on the ground. I've not been losing many planes on the ground so far but the situation may be changing. The problem between the Frank and the Oscar doesn't seem that simple. Against an "average" Allied fighter or a bomber the Frank performs better than the Oscar but against a Hellcat or Thunderbolt the Frank just can't stand so I may as well use Oscars. Or, as soon as I have stopped needing to send ships into Java, nothing.

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/21/2014 11:11:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: setloz How far are you from night fighter production? You should be just about ready with J1N1-S Irving iirc. Start at the beginning of next month but unless I am missing something there is only 1 group on the map that can upgrade to use it, Yokosuka Ku T-2, 20 planes. Followed by 321 Ku S-1 (18 planes) as a reinforcement mid October. 251 Ku S-1 I may be able to upgrade at a PP cost, not sure how that works, it is planned to change to NF with the J1N1-Sa. You can look at my table here - post #256. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2859328&mpage=9&key= I think you are right - Endo, Yokosuka and 321 are the first 3.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/22/2014 5:11:42 PM)
August 5th 1943 I-24 puts a TT into CVE Suwanee and is damaged and RTB. I-21 is damaged E W-8 is lost to SS Grunion. Allies sweep and strike at Batavia and this time I lose some more valuable transports, an E, and some support troops of the 71st Division. Allied forces have cut the rail line East of Tjilatjap dividing Java in half. Mitsubishi Ha-43 advances to 8/43 and enters production, these need expanding quite a bit. Original plan was for 450 to cover Ki-83, J7W1 etc. but not so certain now, may go for fewer. I convert an Aichi Ha-60 factory over and expand them so won't need to make a decision for a month or so. Tjilatjap is now at level 8. SC CHa-50 arrives

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 7:33:00 AM)
August 6th 1943 Hellcats sweep Manus, the only defense left are N1K1-J and the Allies come off worse 2::11 in my favour. A few minor damaged xAKL sink and some minor sub action but otherwise quiet. Allied forces have entered Cheribon. Reports as 46,000 troops present. I have the 1st Tank and 71st infantry plus smaller stuff present. However, there is a distinct shortage of support units because I lost a lot of 71st support at sea. J1N1-S to 9/43 SS RO-104 arrives

obvert -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 8:38:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Forget the Frank and build the Oscar IV and Tony 100. Slightly poorer performance than the Frank but have centerline 20MM guns and more critically a SR of 1. Once a Frank is damaged it will die on the ground. I've not been losing many planes on the ground so far but the situation may be changing. The problem between the Frank and the Oscar doesn't seem that simple. Against an "average" Allied fighter or a bomber the Frank performs better than the Oscar but against a Hellcat or Thunderbolt the Frank just can't stand so I may as well use Oscars. Or, as soon as I have stopped needing to send ships into Java, nothing. The Frank can hold it's own against anything but the P-47, but still will take out more of those than anything else the Japanese have in the mid-war period. The Oscar IV and Ki-100 aren't good against Allied fighters, period. To use the Frank well you have to have big bases and lots of support, plus nearby recovery bases where groups can be switched out and sent to get new airframes. This is also true of the George and jack, but you simply have to have them as they're so much better than the alternatives. Once the Ki-44r arrives you'll notice a big difference, and the J2M5.

Miller -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 9:07:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Forget the Frank and build the Oscar IV and Tony 100. Slightly poorer performance than the Frank but have centerline 20MM guns and more critically a SR of 1. Once a Frank is damaged it will die on the ground. I've not been losing many planes on the ground so far but the situation may be changing. The problem between the Frank and the Oscar doesn't seem that simple. Against an "average" Allied fighter or a bomber the Frank performs better than the Oscar but against a Hellcat or Thunderbolt the Frank just can't stand so I may as well use Oscars. Or, as soon as I have stopped needing to send ships into Java, nothing. The Frank can hold it's own against anything but the P-47, but still will take out more of those than anything else the Japanese have in the mid-war period. The Oscar IV and Ki-100 aren't good against Allied fighters, period. To use the Frank well you have to have big bases and lots of support, plus nearby recovery bases where groups can be switched out and sent to get new airframes. This is also true of the George and jack, but you simply have to have them as they're so much better than the alternatives. Once the Ki-44r arrives you'll notice a big difference, and the J2M5. I agree the Oscar IV and ki-100 will perform poorly against the later Allied fighters, but they will be worth their weight in gold when the 4E strikes come in before the sweeps......Franks just cannot operate on the front lines unless the damaged ones can be railed out the next day, and that is not possible in a lot of areas.

obvert -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 9:20:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Forget the Frank and build the Oscar IV and Tony 100. Slightly poorer performance than the Frank but have centerline 20MM guns and more critically a SR of 1. Once a Frank is damaged it will die on the ground. I've not been losing many planes on the ground so far but the situation may be changing. The problem between the Frank and the Oscar doesn't seem that simple. Against an "average" Allied fighter or a bomber the Frank performs better than the Oscar but against a Hellcat or Thunderbolt the Frank just can't stand so I may as well use Oscars. Or, as soon as I have stopped needing to send ships into Java, nothing. The Frank can hold it's own against anything but the P-47, but still will take out more of those than anything else the Japanese have in the mid-war period. The Oscar IV and Ki-100 aren't good against Allied fighters, period. To use the Frank well you have to have big bases and lots of support, plus nearby recovery bases where groups can be switched out and sent to get new airframes. This is also true of the George and jack, but you simply have to have them as they're so much better than the alternatives. Once the Ki-44r arrives you'll notice a big difference, and the J2M5. I agree the Oscar IV and ki-100 will perform poorly against the later Allied fighters, but they will be worth their weight in gold when the 4E strikes come in before the sweeps......Franks just cannot operate on the front lines unless the damaged ones can be railed out the next day, and that is not possible in a lot of areas. By mid-war I tended to use the IJN groups in the DEI/So Pac areas with J2M3 and N1K2 with their service 2 rating, and have A6M groups for the lower CAP levels and escort. The IJA filled in with some Tojo IIc groups, which still function okay until mid-44, and then only a few Franks, mostly for sweeping or specific periodic missions, not daily use. In Burma you have the rail and lots of interlocked bases, and this is where the Frank was most useful. Later though, in the PI and China, and in Home Island defense, it's the best you've got.

PaxMondo -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 11:54:17 AM)
I'm with obvert on the Frank and how to use it. The "b" model is the best for me, but a separate line to RnD and that is a killer.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 4:59:36 PM)
I thought the first IJN night fighter was size 9 Jake unit? I guess you resized it to size 20 on a CS? Doesn't a portion of the Endo Detachement get recalled and then resized? Can't remember... It is a nasty trick that the Irving NF comes first, but you need to accelerate the Nick to get decent coverage since there are far more squadrons that can upgrade to the d Nick.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 5:05:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I thought the first IJN night fighter was size 9 Jake unit? I guess you resized it to size 20 on a CS? Correct quote: Doesn't a portion of the Endo Detachement get recalled and then resized? Can't remember... Thrown away I think, but they lost both aircraft... quote: It is a nasty trick that the Irving NF comes first, but you need to accelerate the Nick to get decent coverage since there are far more squadrons that can upgrade to the d Nick. And the Nick has done really badly on the R&D front. One factory stuck at 2 to go for months on end but got fixed at the beginning of the month and the other still has 20 to go[:(]. So November if I am lucky but more likely December or January.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 5:23:00 PM)
Miller, obvert, PaxMondo, I think the performance of different planes depends a lot upon circumstances. Also, when terms like "mid-war" are thrown about I'm not sure what you mean as the balance between aircraft changes endlessly. The N1K1-J is out fighting anything except for the P-47 and even there, if not swamped, it can inflict an okay loss ratio. Apart from against the P-47, it isn't damaged much so the SR 3 isn't critical. At the moment I only have enough N1K1-J groups to protect about 3 bases: Magwe, Manus and somewhere on Java. No IJA plane is having any sort of decent showing against the P-47 or P-38. Apart from over bases around Rabaul, I have not seen a daytime bomber raid for ages, except for massively escorted carrier strikes. So the Ki-43-IV may be theoretically effective against allied 4E in the daytime but I hardly ever see those. The only air action I see are: 1. Defensive CAP where I am often slaughtered but the goal is to deter from daytime strikes. 2. Offensive sweeps but these have been abandoned as they were too expensive now they run into 2 or 3 hundred aircraft. If he can't put up a huge defense then he doesn't fly any. 3. CAP against night-strikes where I take the losses in order to increase enemy Ops losses and interfere with bomber accuracy. 4. CAP shooting down enemy recon or search aircraft.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 5:25:33 PM)
August 7th 1943 Cruisers bombard Cheribon, for some reason one of the groups remains in hex but, luckily, no air strikes. The damage may have been enough to help hold the base but rather a lot of disablements suffered: quote: Attacking force 34329 troops, 735 guns, 358 vehicles, Assault Value = 1133 Defending force 26093 troops, 162 guns, 527 vehicles, Assault Value = 932 Allied adjusted assault: 168 Japanese adjusted defense: 948 Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 978 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 142 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 536 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 46 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 35 (15 destroyed, 20 disabled) Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled) Assaulting units: 641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion 43rd Infantry Division 32nd Infantry Division 25th Infantry Division 632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion 134th Field Artillery Battalion 168th Field Artillery Battalion 147th Field Artillery Battalion 30th Field Artillery Regiment 225th Field Artillery Battalion Defending units: 17th Division 1st Tank Division 1st INA Subhas Regiment 85th Naval Guard Unit 3rd Indpt SNLF Coy 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 131st Naval Construction Battalion 2nd Area Army 8th Tank Rgt /1 RO-65 puts a torpedo into the CV Lexington [:)]but is herself lost[:(]. I-176 is badly damaged after two failed attacks. CVE Kaiyo arrives, she will get a group of Judies and provide some floating ASW action.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/23/2014 6:12:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery 251 Ku S-1 I may be able to upgrade at a PP cost, not sure how that works, it is planned to change to NF with the J1N1-Sa. I was just investigating switching this unit over, and I think to unlock the Irving NF you must first upgrade it to the Denko.[sm=scared0008.gif] The Endo Det and its parent unit get withdrawn on Sept 1, 1943. So no joy there either.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/25/2014 12:10:17 PM)
8th August 1943 I-3 is sunk off the Australian West coast. Hiei bombards the Allies at Cheribon, who seem to be pulling back. For some reason she stays around during the day and takes a torpedo. Not too serious but it is another BB that will need yard time. I've been having problems with bombardments on the Java North Coast. I have a CA task force 7 hexes away, set to full speed, home base somewhere like Billiton but the force bombards during the night but is still there in the day - latest one didn't even bombard. Thunderbolts continue to sweep the N1K1-J at Batavia and do far too well against the defense. P1Y2 to 5/44. Allies have expanded Tjilatjap to 9 and flown bombers in, now 450 F and 250 B present. Also 200 Auxiliary which makes me suspect will be doing a paradrop somewhere. E Wakamiya and SC CHa-34 arrive as reinforcements.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/25/2014 12:13:06 PM)
9th August 1943 Allies bombard Kavieng. I-9 and I-15 are damaged by Allied ASW and I-164 by Allied aircraft. Ki-84r to 44/10. A new 8150 capacity TK, the only merchant yard build left is a CVE. All others are stopped/halted. Some AM or AMc may be built if needed but only take 10 days to complete and there are some LST in 1944. Merchant yard builds are a bit of a mess because I am trying to stop them but keep producing barges that I will never use. I have piles of these in reserve and they are so fuel inefficient I can't see how to use them. The cost of building barges doesn't show up on the industry screen so merchant yard points keep falling unexpectedly. SC Ch 47 arrives.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/25/2014 12:14:37 PM)
August 10th Light cruiser forces clash at Kavieng. Allies lose 3 Fletcher class DD, I lose CL Oyodo and CL Natori. The loss of the Oyodo makes this a poor trade. Yamashiro bombards the Allies for little damage and allied 4E bomb the troops but no Allied assault. I-8 gets the Saratoga in its sights but misses with all torpedoes [:@]. I-8 is badly damaged. I ground my CAP and there is no fighting in the air over Java. SS RO-36, RO-37, RO-110 are all delivered as is DD Hayanami and SC CHa-37.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/25/2014 12:25:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery I've been having problems with bombardments on the Java North Coast. I have a CA task force 7 hexes away, set to full speed, home base somewhere like Billiton but the force bombards during the night but is still there in the day - latest one didn't even bombard. I have had many problems here too. I think the captains' look at risk reward, enemy plane strength, anticipated fuel usage and current reserves, their threat tolerance, aggressiveness, and probably a host of other things too. It is frustrating...but should happen just as much for the other side.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (10/26/2014 9:52:28 AM)
August 11th Allies strike Balikpapan oil at night. 75 oil lost but 8 B-24D1 shot down, mostly to flak, a few Franks on CAP do little damage. Allies sweep Soerabaja in force, the Franks on defense do badly against the Thunderbolts, not surprising, but do even worse against the Hellcats that come later. Allied forces have retreated from Cheribon apart from 3 divisions and seem to be pulling out of Benkoelen.

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