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SLAAKMAN -> VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 7:59:02 PM)
I, THE MIGHTY SLAAKMAN motion for a Religion & Politics Forum to be added here immediately. I summon you to restore your honor.....what say you? Vote yes and I will hold your oaths fulfilled....WHAT SAY YOU?!! [sm=character0169.gif] [image]http://www.plottopunctuation.com/assets/aragorn-ghosts.png[/image]

PipFromSlitherine -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 8:17:06 PM)
"This is not that day!" [;)]

Zorch -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 8:28:53 PM)
Amen. "Back to the darkness from whence ye came"!

Aurelian -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 9:48:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine "This is not that day!" [;)] Hope it never comes.

Gilmer -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 10:47:45 PM)
I hope Someday Never Comes.

shaddock -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 11:18:32 PM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eabefjsJsAQ The politics of dancing - hows that?

Zap -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 11:31:22 PM)
I vote for such a forum. But it must share only my opinion and outlook on life. Because no one else is qualified to have an opinion. If you refuse just make a forum about aliens.

Agathosdaimon -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 11:46:12 PM)
Not sure whats a better analogy: It's a Trap! Or the puzzle box from hellraiser. Such a forum could only serve the purpose to make any intelligent, empathy-capable, compassionate human to come away feeling dumber for even just reading the kind of horrifically warped and regurgigated aborted births of fear and paranoia that would fill its pages and it would only make the Matrix Games forums into a nasty place

SuluSea -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/4/2014 11:58:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Agathosdaimon Such a forum could only serve the purpose to make any intelligent, empathy-capable, compassionate human to come away feeling dumber for even just reading the kind of horrifically warped and regurgigated aborted births of fear and paranoia that would fill its pages and it would only make the Matrix Games forums into a nasty place [sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif][sm=character0272.gif]

Terl -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 12:07:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian quote: ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine "This is not that day!" [;)] Hope it never comes. Amen to that!!

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 1:40:40 AM)
If I wanted to listen to extreme, often nasty views of either wing of the political spectrum I could scroll the comments section on either Fox News or The Huffington post. No shortage of that there. And honestly, for me at least, I feel religion should be a private matter. Granted, I don't mind the well wishes or traditional holiday greetings from whatever faith, I just don't want to discuss religion. I don't mind discussing things of a political nature and unlike others I am not so close minded to entertain the notion that I hold the 'intelligence' high ground because of my views. I appreciate honest debate and have been swayed on several issues before. There's so many points of views and angles I may have never considered had that dialog not taken place. To me the most dangerous thing that can happen is for people to close their ears and hearts for dissenting opinions, of any stripe. I refuse to endorse nor condemn anyone based on a letter by their name that is all too common these days. At the same time I'm not one for these silly far fetched conspiracy theories either. I've said before in other threads that I'd hate to live in an America that was of one ideology. One of the biggest things that makes America great in my opinion are the multitude of ideas, cultures, and peoples. The melting pot serves me well. Concerning the original question, Matrix won't allow it for obvious reasons and I can't say that I disagree with them. I wouldn't either if it were my company. As someone who has owned and ran a business that employed others, these things are best left alone. I'd also add that we have pretty much latitude to discuss things civilly on these forums. Of course occasionally people get a little too emotional at times. Ive been guilty of that and have in fact recently returned from some self imposed time off here for just that reason. I'd be content if they would let us continue with certain discussions that could be construed as semi political but were in fact inquisitive, informative, or just possibly core values that came up during a discussion. I don't see much indication that would change too much. mo reb

KG Erwin -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 1:59:28 AM)
If certain forumers want a place to circulate their crackpot theories then they can start their own independent forum in a galaxy far, far away. It has no place here. Wargamers have a tough enough time being accepted in the mainstream without being labeled as crackpots as it is. Don't encourage that stereotype.

SLAAKMAN -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 2:29:51 AM)
quote: PipFromSlitherine Pip, an R&P forum along the lines of the Wargamer forum with special permission to access required would prevent political spill-over into the rest of the board. Then there would be no danger of contamination by my detractors and their corrupted delusions. [:D]

Perturabo -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 1:02:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KG Erwin Wargamers have a tough enough time being accepted in the mainstream without being labeled as crackpots as it is. This sentence is incomprehensible.

gradenko2k -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 1:14:04 PM)
That this particular hobby involves simulated control of literal Nazis, Communists, Confederates, Huns and other such controversial elements should be enough of a fog-horn warning that any "political subforum" would quickly turn into a hugbox for reprehensible points-of-view.

vonRocko -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 2:01:05 PM)
I don't care one way or another. But I got to ask, why all the fear over a forum thread that you would never see or read unless you wanted to? Those who don't like it, would never have to visit it.[&:] The very nature of our games is political.

warspite1 -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 2:02:59 PM)
That does not necessarily follow. So I am an avid WWII war gamer - by your reasoning that makes it more likely I will hold extreme left or extreme right wing views? Put any bunch of individuals together and you will have a variety of view points ranging from two extremes and whole manner of grey in between. That facet is not confined to the wargaming community.

vonRocko -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 2:43:14 PM)
"So I am an avid WWII war gamer - by your reasoning that makes it more likely I will hold extreme left or extreme right wing views?" Is this in reply to me? If so, how do you draw that conclusion from what I wrote?

warspite1 -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 2:54:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vonRocko "So I am an avid WWII war gamer - by your reasoning that makes it more likely I will hold extreme left or extreme right wing views?" Is this in reply to me? If so, how do you draw that conclusion from what I wrote? warspite1 Seriously? The first clue is that my response has nothing to do what you said, but more importantly, the second clue is where it quite clearly states "in reply to gradenko 2000" in the bottom right hand corner [;)]

vonRocko -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 3:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: vonRocko "So I am an avid WWII war gamer - by your reasoning that makes it more likely I will hold extreme left or extreme right wing views?" Is this in reply to me? If so, how do you draw that conclusion from what I wrote? warspite1 Seriously? The first clue is that my response has nothing to do what you said, but more importantly, the second clue is where it quite clearly states "in reply to gradenko 2000" in the bottom right hand corner [;)] My apologies. I missed the "in reply to" thingy.

Terminus -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 5:03:17 PM)
Crawl back under your rock, Slaakman.

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 5:09:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KG Erwin Wargamers have a tough enough time being accepted in the mainstream without being labeled as crackpots as it is. Don't encourage that stereotype. I quit caring about what polite society thought of me many years ago. Truth be told, many of those considered 'mainstream' behind closed doors are child abusers, tax cheats, thieves, liars, crooks, wife beaters, drug addicts and raging alcoholics. If they have something to discuss bring it to the table. Otherwise I'm not going to spend my life jumping through hoops for an ever changing moving target. It's not worth my time. mo reb

Qwixt -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 5:23:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vonRocko I don't care one way or another. But I got to ask, why all the fear over a forum thread that you would never see or read unless you wanted to? Those who don't like it, would never have to visit it.[&:] The very nature of our games is political. I imagine that Matrix would still have to police and mod the forum, so it would require time, which means expense, from Matrix. And for what? Nothing. Plus, that sort of stuff has a way of bleeding into regular forums too. There are plenty of forums out there already to discuss current P & R. This being a historical wargaming site, it's impossible to separate all politics talk because it's inherent in the genre.

Qwixt -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 5:26:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine "This is not that day!" [;)] Given the original post, that was one of the best responses evar! [:D]

TulliusDetritus -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 6:02:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qwixt This being a historical wargaming site, it's impossible to separate all politics talk because it's inherent in the genre. Correct. But this is the General Discussion area (which I don't visit that much). Here politics quickly -or should I say irremediably- become rants, tirades, outbursts [:D] FACT. In the Games sub-forums politics are regularly mentioned, but ONLY as a historical matter, as part of the game (WitE, WitP AE etc. etc.). And only the politics covered by the games themselves. Nothing less, nothing more. In the end these threads serve or seek to better understand the game/s you are playing. And Matrix does not lock them. A really big difference [8D]

Aurelian -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 6:34:40 PM)
No religion/politics/crackpot conspiracy theories forums here. They don't belong here. Nothing good will come of it. Past locked threads prove that.

SLAAKMAN -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 6:50:26 PM)
The tally so far= quote: Pro- SLAAK, Zap, shaddock, MoReb, Qwixt, vonRocko, Silly Warspite2-Newblette, Perturabo, gradenko_2000, SuluSea, Agathosdaimon, PipFromSlitherine, TulliusDetritus +13 quote: Trolls- (each Troll-vote equals -1) Aurelian, Terminus, HGilmer, Zorch, Terl -5 Total as of 2-5-14, 2:46PM eastern time is +13 to -5 in favor of the Pro's. Victory is at hand!!! [sm=00000289.gif] [image]local://upfiles/7190/FBF6FBB7527D4AAA97377B2E87D2AF63.jpg[/image]

wings7 -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 7:10:29 PM)
Freedom of Speech! It is your choice to read it or ignore it!

Aurelian -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 7:25:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wings7 Freedom of Speech! It is your choice to read it or ignore it! Freedom of speech does not apply in a private forum. Nor does it apply in any private business/home.

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: VOTE FOR THE R & P FORUM! (2/5/2014 7:32:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian quote: ORIGINAL: wings7 Freedom of Speech! It is your choice to read it or ignore it! Freedom of speech does not apply in a private forum. Nor does it apply in any private business/home. As you hopefully already know he isn't talking about Constitutional Rights against the government but the often correlated form of open expressions. Though you are correct that neither is protected here.

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