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obvert -> RE: Is it time to panic? (1/16/2015 6:51:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

My game is at Nov 23 '42 and the Allies have 33k to the Japanese 15k.........[sm=scared0018.gif]


I think I'm currently at 6400 VP's. I'm starting to push back and have had a number of successful smaller naval engagements in the IO. The retaking of Christmas Island in the Pacific has begun my counteroffensive in the Pacific. This game has been all about China and India. Despite still controlling most of China, the gains made by Andre in India and controlling New Caledonia and Fiji make losing a real possibility.



It's way to early for you to even contemplate whether you will or won't lose on 1/43. Just build up bases, win your air engagements, don't lose your CVs or other high value targets, and get even naval engagements with the rest of the stuff. Just by building though you should reach 10k, and probably more.

He has to win each engagement 4:1 for six months still. That's pretty hard to do.

Great to see around Joseph!! [:)]



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Is it time to panic? (1/16/2015 8:12:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obvert

It's way to early for you to even contemplate whether you will or won't lose on 1/43. Just build up bases, win your air engagements, don't lose your CVs or other high value targets, and get even naval engagements with the rest of the stuff. Just by building though you should reach 10k, and probably more.

He has to win each engagement 4:1 for six months still. That's pretty hard to do.

Great to see around Joseph!! [:)]


Thanks Erik. It's hard not to despair when looking at the math. [:D]

However, I am chipping away. As a teaser, I have most likely just sunk 3, if not 4, Japanese CA's in the IO compliments of a little ambush by British CV's, Prince of Wales and Repulse for the loss of 1 CA, 2 CL's and a DD.

On land, I've just destroyed two Japanese tank regiments and mauled the Guards Tank Division in India.

It's not all doom and gloom. It's been a fun and enlightening game. Andre is a great opponent, if somewhat bloodthirsty. [:D]



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: A pre-update post (1/16/2015 10:00:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

I'll post the intelligence screen next post, but off the top of my head I believe Andre is less than 2000 VP away from achieving a 4:1 auto-victory. I'm not optimistic on avoiding a 3:1 defeat by Jan. 1/43 either. Too many VP's are yet available in China and the Philippines to put Andre over the top.




I don't know if this is a typo, but there's no auto-victory in 1942 in the stock scenarios that I know of. The manual says 365 days of a scenario, but I've never heard of one before 1/1/43. And that's the one that's 4:1. And every day of 1943 too. It's 3:1 on 1/1/44.

So you have time.



obvert -> RE: Is it time to panic? (1/16/2015 10:08:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: obvert

It's way to early for you to even contemplate whether you will or won't lose on 1/43. Just build up bases, win your air engagements, don't lose your CVs or other high value targets, and get even naval engagements with the rest of the stuff. Just by building though you should reach 10k, and probably more.

He has to win each engagement 4:1 for six months still. That's pretty hard to do.

Great to see around Joseph!! [:)]


Thanks Erik. It's hard not to despair when looking at the math. [:D]

However, I am chipping away. As a teaser, I have most likely just sunk 3, if not 4, Japanese CA's in the IO compliments of a little ambush by British CV's, Prince of Wales and Repulse for the loss of 1 CA, 2 CL's and a DD.

On land, I've just destroyed two Japanese tank regiments and mauled the Guards Tank Division in India.

It's not all doom and gloom. It's been a fun and enlightening game. Andre is a great opponent, if somewhat bloodthirsty. [:D]

Bullwinkle's right. Nothing matters before 1/43.

Sounds like you're using that aggression against him, which will either make him more bloodthirsty, giving you more opportunities for points, or more passive, giving you more opportunities for points. [:D]



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Is it time to panic? (1/16/2015 10:26:05 PM)

Ah, thanks Gents.

That makes sense. I was thinking if he achieved a 4:1 in 1942 he'd win outright [8|]. So as long as I avoid 4:1 in 1943 I'm good to go. That takes some of the pressure off. However, I'll still keep playing as if every battle is crucial to avoiding AV. It makes me make better decisions and not throw good money after bad.

It's going to be a near thing though. At least I saved the bulk of my forces to make the remainder of 1942 hard on him. He has a lot of territory to cover so there are opportunities all over the map to cause trouble. The good thing is he is forced to remain in India and the Southeast Pacific in his bid for AV. I know where he has to fight and I should be able to turn that against him.




SqzMyLemon -> Update (1/17/2015 1:14:41 AM)

Here is the current Intelligence Report:

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SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 1:33:37 AM)

Here is the extent of Andre's conquests in India to date:


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SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 1:42:44 AM)

Here's China:

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SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 1:46:39 AM)

The World Map:

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witpqs -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 1:55:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

Here is the current Intelligence Report:

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Crikey!

I hope you are already building bases all over the map. Build the easiest side first. That will vary base by base. Whatever is the least built with the highest potential will build easiest (by that I mean fastest).

Obviously, inflicting some losses on him will be what really tips the balance. It looks like his game has been very precise.



1EyedJacks -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 2:11:06 AM)

Looking @ your world map...

hit him from the north.

Run construction, supplies, air support to Bering Island and build up your AF so you can fly 4E. In those island chains you should mass lotsa supplies, fuel, subs, and beg/borrow/buy out a division or three to assault with. in 90 days your airfield should be large enough and your divisions prepped at 100% for their target. Level the airfields in range with 4E and mine every freaking Japanese port you can on that side of the map and at the same time go take the Kurile Islands and Hokkaido.

your opponent is so strung out he has nothing at home.

Sometime in September we should hear him squeal like a little school girl! [:D]



BBfanboy -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 2:59:06 AM)

Can you use Behring Island before Russian Activation? I couldn't even get them to gas up an xAK that brought them supplies!



1EyedJacks -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 5:55:35 AM)

mmmm - that might-could be my bad. I've never played the allies B4. Is Bering Isle part of Russia?

But Joseph could build up Shemya and still cover most of the Kurile Islands with his 4E. Take Paramushiro-jima and load that island with AV and PBYs and an HQa (plus supplies) while pushing for Bihoro so he can make use of the airfield. He'd need to bring his carriers over for air support.

It still looks like Andre is overextended when you look at the map and the heavy investment in India.




obvert -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 12:11:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

mmmm - that might-could be my bad. I've never played the allies B4. Is Bering Isle part of Russia?

But Joseph could build up Shemya and still cover most of the Kurile Islands with his 4E. Take Paramushiro-jima and load that island with AV and PBYs and an HQa (plus supplies) while pushing for Bihoro so he can make use of the airfield. He'd need to bring his carriers over for air support.

It still looks like Andre is overextended when you look at the map and the heavy investment in India.




Landing in the Kuriles early means Japan gets a nice big package of troops. If you can defend a landing great, but if not ...



Lokasenna -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 2:25:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

mmmm - that might-could be my bad. I've never played the allies B4. Is Bering Isle part of Russia?

But Joseph could build up Shemya and still cover most of the Kurile Islands with his 4E. Take Paramushiro-jima and load that island with AV and PBYs and an HQa (plus supplies) while pushing for Bihoro so he can make use of the airfield. He'd need to bring his carriers over for air support.

It still looks like Andre is overextended when you look at the map and the heavy investment in India.




Landing in the Kuriles early means Japan gets a nice big package of troops. If you can defend a landing great, but if not ...


Not that big. About 10 Depot Divisions, all of them restricted. And all of them poor quality - Exp 40 to start, or maybe less. Only the Guards Depot Division has much in the way of guns.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Update (1/17/2015 2:40:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

mmmm - that might-could be my bad. I've never played the allies B4. Is Bering Isle part of Russia?

But Joseph could build up Shemya and still cover most of the Kurile Islands with his 4E. Take Paramushiro-jima and load that island with AV and PBYs and an HQa (plus supplies) while pushing for Bihoro so he can make use of the airfield. He'd need to bring his carriers over for air support.

It still looks like Andre is overextended when you look at the map and the heavy investment in India.




Landing in the Kuriles early means Japan gets a nice big package of troops. If you can defend a landing great, but if not ...


Not that big. About 10 Depot Divisions, all of them restricted. And all of them poor quality - Exp 40 to start, or maybe less. Only the Guards Depot Division has much in the way of guns.


I am not sure what a difference in supply that makes but all those troops have to be fed.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/28/2015 6:46:08 PM)

A few recent developments. We've reached June 26/42.

KB and all the Japanese CVL's have appeared in the Central Pacific. What I initially thought was an invasion force targeting Johnston Island has instead turned out to be a massive bombardment of Johnston Island and KB peeling off to raid Christmas Island. I still expect a follow up amphibious assault against Johnston Island though. After my liberation of Christmas Island I withdrew the majority of the transports and combat vessels, but left 8-10 transports unloading supply. I had plenty of warning to withdraw all the ships from Christmas Island before KB arrived, but I felt the need to offload as much supply as possible being the higher priority. I haven't run the latest turn yet, but I gather all Allied shipping unloading has been destroyed.

Glad to know where the Japanese CV's are, but unfortunately I can't take advantage of it right now.

Andre has also landed two divisions at Darwin and captured the base. Japanese paratroops have air dropped on Port Headland and will soon take the base, leaving Exmouth the only Allied controlled base left in Northern Australia.

My attention remains focused on India and bringing Andre's advance there to a halt. Allied forces are now in a position to begin a counterattack. The plan is to focus on the capture of Bezwada to split the Japanese forces in India and prevent reinforcement of either flank via the railway. 18 Japanese units are investing Warangal and I hope a drive on Bezwada will threaten isolating the Japanese. So far, I've been able to reinforce India effectively, not losing a single transport carrying men or material to the country. I've landed the American 27th Division and two regiments of the Americal Division, with the last regiment currently en route via transports. Elements of the American 32nd Division and British 2nd Division will begin unloading at Karachi within days. I'm getting stronger in India every day as more reinforcements arrive. Andre has committed at least 8-10 Divisions to India.

I've also been extremely successful in getting air units to India. There are currently ten American 4E squadrons and four 2E squadrons. A further six 4E squadrons will arrive over the next few weeks. These numbers do not include the British bomber force. In fact, I have more air units than aviation support in India.

There have been a number of naval actions in the Indian Ocean near Socotra and Karachi. I've now sunk four Japanese CA's and a handful of CL's and DD's. Allied losses have been a CA, 2 CL's and a few DD's. Andre continues to patrol aggressively with surface assets and a CVE was recently spotted south of Socotra. Allied surface forces are tasked with protecting the numerous transport TF's bringing combat units and supplies to India, but will be dispatched to deal with enemy TF's when warranted.

The air and ground war in India is about to increase as the Allies begin the offensive to liberate the country.

In the meantime, a number of high risk amphibious operations are being planned to recover a few high VP locations on the map.

There is no Allied intention to move on the Kuriles in the foreseeable future.



Lokasenna -> RE: Update (1/28/2015 7:42:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

mmmm - that might-could be my bad. I've never played the allies B4. Is Bering Isle part of Russia?

But Joseph could build up Shemya and still cover most of the Kurile Islands with his 4E. Take Paramushiro-jima and load that island with AV and PBYs and an HQa (plus supplies) while pushing for Bihoro so he can make use of the airfield. He'd need to bring his carriers over for air support.

It still looks like Andre is overextended when you look at the map and the heavy investment in India.




Landing in the Kuriles early means Japan gets a nice big package of troops. If you can defend a landing great, but if not ...


Not that big. About 10 Depot Divisions, all of them restricted. And all of them poor quality - Exp 40 to start, or maybe less. Only the Guards Depot Division has much in the way of guns.


I am not sure what a difference in supply that makes but all those troops have to be fed.


Out of combat, about 100,000 for 3 years.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/29/2015 4:05:11 PM)

June 27/42:

Japanese forces have completely withdrawn from Warangal and now occupy the wooded secondary road hex southwest of the base (I base my compass bearings on the screen view, not the actual map orientation). I think Andre realized he was stalemated at Warangal and has decided to redeploy his forces. Whether he intends to try another offensive push elsewhere in India or dig in to consolidate his gains is the question I'm asking myself. If I was to venture a guess, I'd say he's going to switch to the defensive and prepare to defend his gains, particularly the high VP's bases of Madras and Calcutta.

A Japanese withdrawal from India is out of the question if Andre intends on AV, so his units are stuck here for the foreseeable future. I will consolidate my position, expand airbases and begin a systematic bombing campaign to knock out his airfields and push his air cover away from my ground advance. Bellary is 15 hexes away from Colombo and poses a threat to hit any Japanese held base, excepting Koggala, in Southern India. An Allied air campaign to isolate the battlefield and neutralize ports and airbases will commence starting July 1st.

In the meantime, with KB and essentially the entire Japanese carrier capability in the Central Pacific raiding Christmas Island, it may be time to act aggressively against Japanese naval forces in the Indian Ocean.

I have no illusions that a campaign in India against what Andre has brought to play with will be tough going, but I am confident he's reached his high water mark in the country. It's time to turn this theatre into a quagmire for him.



BBfanboy -> RE: Update (1/29/2015 5:28:36 PM)

That's the spirit! Let the Allied Steam Roller start cooking!



obvert -> RE: Update (1/29/2015 7:43:42 PM)

Maps please!! [:)]



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/29/2015 8:17:31 PM)

June 28/42:

KB is heading southeast after wiping out the unloading transports at Christmas Island yesterday. Palmyra was bombarded by a Japanese TF consisting of two CA's.

In India, the Japanese 143rd Rgt. is routed by the Australian 7th Division near Hyderabad. It appears from recon that Andre is pulling back towards Bezwada. Allied bombers are ordered to target the airbase and troops at Mangalore, which may be redeploying in strat mode. P-38's at Bellary will sweep Mangalore.

More troops unload at Karachi including a brigade of British 2nd Division and another American 4E squadron. The rest of 2nd Division arrives at Aden within 17-24 days. All of the American 32nd Division should arrive at Karachi within a week.

I'd like to add. In my opinion, giving up Ceylon, Calcutta and Madras without a fight was a tough decision and led to easy pickings of smaller units and bases for Andre in India. However, I'm now in a position to push back with the forces I saved from destruction which include the Burma, British 18th, Australian 6th & 7th Divisions. These units have been the core of my defence to date and have shuttled around the country by rail to halt further Japanese advances. With another three divisions arriving within a month I'll be in really good shape here. With the pending arrival of the American 24th and 25th Divisions at Cape Town, it may be possible to try and liberate Ceylon before the end of the year. Another option is to sail these two divisions to Australia and join with two Australian divisions for an amphibious operation against New Caledonia. It will come down to where the Japanese carriers next deploy and what Andre considers the more important positions to defend, New Caledonia and Fiji, or Ceylon and India.

Erik, I'll post a map for you tonight or tomorrow.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/30/2015 3:10:12 AM)

Here's an updated screen of India showing the current situation. Japanese forces are pulling back towards Bangalore and Bezwada in the south, and a recent Japanese advance towards Raipur was turned back when the base was heavily reinforced with two Indian Divisions.

Allied units will advance against Japanese positions in the south of India supported by the bulk of Allied air power in the country. A tally of Allied air strength in India resulted in these numbers:

Fighters - 562
Bombers - 397
Patrol/Recon - 40
Transports - 78

Granted, not all these aircraft are front line capable, but the numbers do allow me some flexibility.

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obvert -> RE: Update (1/30/2015 5:15:33 AM)

Looking pretty good!. You've chosen a good area to ale your stand with good defensive terrain, close enough to Bombay and with Bezwada in the clear as a goal. Nice!

I also ike that Bezwada controls the coastal rail but is not on the coast, so not bombardable by the IJN. [8D]



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (1/30/2015 3:08:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I also like that Bezwada controls the coastal rail but is not on the coast, so not bombardable by the IJN. [8D]


Andre loves to use naval bombardment, so Bezwada was chosen as the target, rather than Cocanada or Vizagapatnam, to specifically avoid this tactic.

I'll also probe towards Ranchi. It's a little too close to Calcutta for my liking, but I don't really have another option. I need to keep Japanese forces spread out to avoid them concentrating in defence at the point of attack.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (2/4/2015 4:37:37 PM)

A brief update to bring things current. We are about to run the June 30th turn.

Smack talk will sometime come back to bite you in the butt. For those that may remember I had sunk three Japanese CA's near Socotra and was hunting the fourth with submarines. After a few days of intercepts resulting in misses, Andre decided to add a little baseball "swing, batter, swing" smack talk into our conversation after the numerous whiffs by Dutch and British submarines. Well, the very next turn the damaged CA Tone is hit not once, but twice, by a Dutch and British submarine. The cruiser subsequently sank. Karma's a bitch sometimes. [sm=00000622.gif]

Japanese forces just captured Addu which will extend his air search radius to an uncomfortable level for any move against Ceylon.

Japanese forces in India have been quiet. It does seem Andre has switched to defensive mode in light of Allied counters to his advances. Japanese bombers hit the Australian 6th Division and caused 67% disruption in 2x defensive terrain with only 36 Sally's. Not something I will tolerate for long, especially getting slapped with that kind of disruption. Previously, P-38's had swept Mangalore and downed 14 Oscar's and Zeroes for only two losses.I've been resting my bombers, performing maintenance and bringing squadrons up to strength for the upcoming air offensive to shut down Japanese forward airbases. Two more 4E units have arrived in India, bringing my total to 12 squadrons. I have 70+ B-17's in reserve. If I can avoid heavy losses in July, I will be able to fill out most squadrons when they expand to 12 aircraft in August. The B-24D begins production in July so I'll be able to add to the B-17 pools as units upgrade. I'm extremely happy with my pools at the moment, but those will begin to drop as the air war intensifies.

Another regiment of the Americal Division arrived at Karachi, leaving one more to arrive before the unit can be reformed. The American 32nd Division will start to arrive at Karachi within a few days as well. The American 25th Division also just arrived at Capetown.

In the Central Pacific, CV Zuikaku is torpedoed withdrawing from the Christmas Island area. SS Thresher hits with one exploding torpedo while SS Triton unfortunately duds. The carrier is only lightly damaged if last turns movement is any indication. In hindsight, I had 4-5 days of noticed to withdraw all shipping from Christmas Island prior to the raid. During the torpedo attacks and subsequent DC'ing the Japanese CV and DD's were smoking in the combat replay indicating accumulated system damage. I should have withdrawn my transports at Christmas Island and left Andre to 'whiff' on empty Ocean, continuing to burn fuel and cause system damage. Hindsight is 20/20 and I won't sacrifice ships needlessly like that again.

In Australia, Japanese forces are moving on Katherine after capturing Darwin. I will counter if supply will allow me to. I have all the Australian armoured regiments and two divisions at Tennant Creek. I have three B-17 and one LB-30 squadrons in Australia, supplemented with 6-8 B25 and B26 squadrons. They will deploy to Alice Springs.

What will July hold?

Allied forces will have to make progress in India to restore some VP's. As mentioned previously, first up is Bezwada. Then simultaneous drives towards Bangalore and Mysore in the South, while in the east Allied forces will move on Ranchi. I may try to skirt Calcutta and make a move on Darjeeling. Andre is moving in China once again, so it may be imperative to liberate Ledo as quickly as possible to restore some supply flow into China. I have lots of offensive opportunities in front of me, I just have to make the right choices. The last 6 months of 42 should be quite...eventful.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (2/5/2015 4:00:27 PM)

June 30/42:

Another month in the books. A quiet end to what was a positive month for the Allies.

Operations in July will begin with the bombing of Vizagapatnam and Cocanada by B-17's. Heavy fighter sweeps and LRCAP are ordered to provide support for the bombers. Vizagapatnam is home to two Japanese Ki-44-IIa Sentai's so Allied air units will be going up against the cream of the JAAF today. If these two airbases can be closed then the only air support for Bezwada can be supplied by the base itself or Madras. I don't think Andre has ever based aircraft at Bezwada, as it's only a level two airbase and easily closed.

Allied 2E's will target Japanese ground troops in clear terrain withdrawing from the Raipur area and an Allied CAP is ordered to interdict Japanese bombers targeting Australian 6th Division near Bellary. I expect to run into Japanese fighter opposition on both missions.

Japanese CV's swung southwest and appear to be heading towards Fiji. A number of Allied submarines show DL's of 10/10, but KB's location was not pinpointed.

Allied CV's have expanded their fighter groups to 36 aircraft each. A much needed boost to the air defence of the carriers.

Of note, BB Yamato is operating out of Ceylon having recently participated in the naval bombardment of Addu Atoll.

I received an interesting SIGINT entry last turn. The Japanese 'Guards Tank Division was loaded upon an xAK heading to Calcutta' which strikes me as odd. Having recently been engaged near Hyderabad it could easily have railed to Calcutta rather than sailed. I believe Andre is sending the division to Ceylon and set Calcutta as the destination for misdirection purposes.

That's it. Fingers are crossed that my air units don't get a bloody nose to start the month.



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (2/5/2015 10:14:49 PM)

Sounds like the bombing raids did not go well. Whenever you read 'unescorted bombers' in an e-mail from your opponent things don't usually bode well. [:D]



obvert -> RE: Update (2/6/2015 5:20:07 AM)

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I received an interesting SIGINT entry last turn. The Japanese 'Guards Tank Division was loaded upon an xAK heading to Calcutta' which strikes me as odd. Having recently been engaged near Hyderabad it could easily have railed to Calcutta rather than sailed. I believe Andre is sending the division to Ceylon and set Calcutta as the destination for misdirection purposes.


Good analysis here. I've been piecing together the information in various ways regarding SIGINT, and often find things like this that don't make sense. The next step is then figuring out what the real destination is and that's harder. [;)]



SqzMyLemon -> RE: Update (2/6/2015 2:52:00 PM)

July 1st/42:

The bombing raids went through, but the force assigned to hit Cocanada lost seven B-17's. My worst day in the air for the 4E's so far. Both Vizagapatnam and Cocanada were hit showing 45% and 33% damage respectively. Is it correct that the percentage of damage shown is for service and not runway damage? If so, I'm not sure how to asses the level of damage to the airfields. On a positive note, 14 Tojo's were downed in A2A with the LRCAP'ing P-38's doing extremely well only losing one aircraft to Ops. I've ordered a second day of bombing and ordered three B-17 squadrons to stand down and take replacements. To supplement the numbers, three British Blenheim squadrons were added to the mission.

The Japanese troops that withdrew from Warangal have redeployed to Bezwada. Looks like we're going to have a real fight on our hands for the base. Once Vizagapatnam and Cocanada are closed, I'll focus on hitting the base and troops at Bezwada while my forces move towards the base.

KB is still heading towards Fiji. I'm tracking her with submarines, but still haven't been able to locate her exactly.

Elements of U.S. 40th Division have arrived at Cape Town.

The VP comparison now stands at 23.5k to 7k in Japan's favour.



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